A solution to NIL madness

[VOLtaism]

I do believe we are on an inevitable path to where players are no longer students, but rather contract employees. As far as allowing players to have unlimited eligibility, maybe. But at that point College football will be in more direct competition with the NFL for players. I'm not sure if either side wants that. But if eliminating the academic factor happens, unlimited eligibility is probably inevitable. Why impose arbitrary restrictions on player eligibility when academics are no longer part of the equation?

Agreed, I would like to see some professor make a 4 million dollar athlete sit out the season for academic reasons. Why make them students?

 

[VOLtaism]

The solution is to give them 1 transfer outside their current conference and only in the off-season. Why open the portal 2 or 3 times?

 

[tnvolfan16]

cap the salaries if that makes you feel better. then we are back to exactly how it was before NIL....hundred thousand dollar handshakes. the athlete makes $50,000 from the university and 4 million from the unnamed donor who wants to help his team. in my opinion, and this will never happen, the only way to rout out dark money is to make the penalties so severe that it deters players and teams from playing in the grey. as an example, if a player is found to be getting extra money outside of the university, they are immediately ineligible permanently. perhaps, if a school has a certain number of instances where this happens, automatic one year bowl ban, coach gets automatic show cause and is banned from ncaa, booster is not allowed to be associated with school. and if a player is accused of taking money, they are guilty until proven innocent. as i say, something like that will never happen, but the only way to stop it is to make the guilty parties suffer

 

[strkr]

I think removing the spring portal would solve half of the issues. Would be a lot harder for players to holdout and demand more money if they can’t just say “I’ll transfer out in April if my demands aren’t met”.

Beyond that, there needs to be some form of collective bargaining and contracts. Salary caps sound good in theory, but I don’t think that’s actually possible, as other posts in here have noted.

I agree only one time for portal movement for a year.

 

[strkr]

I agree with this!!! The collectives have created this mess and i am not sure why the fans do not see it. We have to stop this paying players up front for an anticipated value. Imagine how much money Spyre lost on Nico by him bailing early and skipping events that were intended for the collective to recoup some of their funds.

I do too. Just one portal for an entire year and not in spring.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

A large number of you have apparently followed absolutely none of the court cases, many of which UT or the State of TN have supported, which created wholesale transfers and destroyed (the NCAA actually virtually shuttered their NIL enforcement division after we sued them over Nico's recruiting) NIL enforcement.

Then you come up with fixes that have already been shot down in court: limit transfers, limit NIL payments, etc.

It's as though you're suggesting we develop plays which feature crackback blocks as part of the scheme or the old Bubba Smith trick of ringing the O Lineman's bell with a forearm shiver to start your rush.

Try learning the new legal rules for NIL and transfers. Otherwise you just sound foolish.

 

[Tnphil]

this still doesn't solve the issue of paying too much for an unproven high school QB

This blows my mind....That they will pay a kid that barely shaving big money to come play for their school and they haven't done a thing to warrant it. The nuts giving that money gets what they deserve when things go south, IMO. Like the Nico deal.

 

[Batman1948]

the education is free as a benefit if they want it.

So, you think the other 30,000 students should pay for their education but not athletes.

Yep, that's really gonna work

 

[HeuperDrive]

A large number of you have apparently followed absolutely none of the court cases, many of which UT or the State of TN have supported, which created wholesale transfers and destroyed (the NCAA actually virtually shuttered their NIL enforcement division after we sued them over Nico's recruiting) NIL enforcement.

Then you come up with fixes that have already been shot down in court: limit transfers, limit NIL payments, etc.

It's as though you're suggesting we develop plays which feature crackback blocks as part of the scheme or the old Bubba Smith trick of ringing the O Lineman's bell with a forearm shiver to start your rush.

Try learning the new legal rules for NIL and transfers. Otherwise you just sound foolish.

You do realize it’s not our job to fix this right lol

All we can do as fans is say what we think would fix it. And limiting transfers is one of the only ways it can be fixed. If they can’t limit that, then I guess we’re probably never actually fixing it.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You do realize it’s not our job to fix this right lol

All we can do as fans is say what we think would fix it. And limiting transfers is one of the only ways it can be fixed. If they can’t limit that, then I guess we’re probably never actually fixing it.

Well, sure. I can say gunning down shoplifters walking out of Lowes with merchandise is a solution but it's a laughable solution.

I think we should go back to no helmets and the single wing when General Neyland was going undefeated many years.

Laughable? Yes.

 

[TNBV]

Salary cap.
Limit the number of times you can enter the transfer portal.
Change the transfer window to AFTER the playoff has completed.
Make players contract employees and have tight buyouts so they don't ditch you during spring camp.

No way to legally have a salary cap as the money is being paid by outside sources. You cannot infringe anyone's ability to make money for their NIL. Contract employees for who? The NIL collective? The school? Would the contract include guarantees for the players? For play time? Work related injuries and disability? Too many complications. The transfer window and limit the number of times you can transfer are great ideas that could be put in by the NCAA I would think. If the number of transfers was limited then you would not really need the buyout clause as much.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

The solution is to give them 1 transfer outside their current conference and only in the off-season. Why open the portal 2 or 3 times?

Because the court said you can’t enforce that unless you enforce that on ALL students not just athletes.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Now that the illusion of the "student athlete" has been completely shattered I have a solution to the issue of players holding teams hostage for money.

Currently there's a supply and demand issue. very few top tier QBs (or other positions) and too many teams that want them. this gives players the ability to come out of high school, never having played a snap of college ball and ask for stupid amounts of money for little in return in the way of on field performance as we saw with Nico.

I think the NCAA could kill the supply issue right now by elimination of all eligibility rules. let players play in the NCAA for as long as they can. If they are good enough to go to the NFL, great. if they suck and get kicked off the team, fine. If they try the NFL and can't hack it, come on back to the NCAA.

There are a TON of players, especially QBs that were fantastic college QBs that couldn't hack it in the NFL, why let that go to waste if they can make a living in the NCAA?

And if the NCAA flooded the market with these players, guys like Nico would be irrelevant out of high school. it would force them to play at least a year or two to prove their worth before being able to demand big bucks.

Offer and education as just one benefit of playing for a school. let them take 1 class a semester if they want. Enough with the "you only get 4 years of playing time and have to go to class full time". If they want their education it's there for them for free, otherwise don't pretend like it actually matters.

give the stupid amounts of money to the players who have actual experience playing well at the NCAA level.

Not a bad plan, you can bet a congressional solution will come faster when all those displaced HS kids don’t get schollies due to 30 year old COLLEGE players.

Eventually someone will champion a requirement for a pay for play division, and return the old school methods to the rest of the divisions and ALL the non revenue sports.

Maybe another division with NIL and the rest all scholly based. How many guys can ETSU MTSU UTC UTM pay to go on the same fields with the big boys?

That will be the basis for the recovery of college athletics, pros will not be allowed on same fields with teams that have none. They must be provided a place, but cannot demand every place. Write it in plain language and the courts can’t muck it up. COLLEGE ATHLETICS RESTORATION ACT.

Can’t believe it will take more than 32 teams to cover the number of pro worthy pay guys. Match the NFL and NBA roster numbers and it creates a tough argument. So schools can the new DIVISION P in some sports and old divisions in others. Can they really require D2 to go pay for play or NIL? Doubt it. Reduce D1 by 32 and move on. Playoffs for DP and March Madness for D1. Different TV deals.

There is a place for amateur athletics. Hybrids won’t fly.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Just eliminate the spring transfer portal and move the winter one to after the playoffs.

It can't happen without legislation and I don't want congress involved at all but I'd love to see the P4 form it's own division and set it's transfer rules:

1. Player gets 1 free undergrad transfer within the P4 division
2. Players can transfer down or up divisions every year if they want

Without an antitrust exemption it's not going to have a glimmer of hope..

With it, say goodbye to recruiting and hello to a draft. .

Goodbye to the military academy football programs.

Hello unionization and collective bargaining they will claw back most of what's being advocated here.

Say hello to strikes.

Say hello to even more NIL.

You can't cherry pick part of the process model. It's all or nothing.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Not a bad plan, you can bet a congressional solution will come faster when all those displaced HS kids don’t get schollies due to 30 year old COLLEGE players.

Eventually someone will champion a requirement for a pay for play division, and return the old school methods to the rest of the divisions and ALL the non revenue sports.

Maybe another division with NIL and the rest all scholly based. How many guys can ETSU MTSU UTC UTM pay to go on the same fields with the big boys?

That will be the basis for the recovery of college athletics, pros will not be allowed on same fields with teams that have none. They must be provided a place, but cannot demand every place. Write it in plain language and the courts can’t muck it up. COLLEGE ATHLETICS RESTORATION ACT.

Can’t believe it will take more than 32 teams to cover the number of pro worthy pay guys. Match the NFL and NBA roster numbers and it creates a tough argument. So schools can the new DIVISION P in some sports and old divisions in others. Can they really require D2 to go pay for play or NIL? Doubt it. Reduce D1 by 32 and move on. Playoffs for DP and March Madness for D1. Different TV deals.

There is a place for amateur athletics. Hybrids won’t fly.

Given the Supreme Court Alston decision, that is no longer the case.

If the revenue sharing component of the House case goes through, that goes double.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

The solution is to give them 1 transfer outside their current conference and only in the off-season. Why open the portal 2 or 3 times?

It does give the kids multiple chances to quit. Which is a problem. I have to agree with you.

 

[hog88]

Without an antitrust exemption it's not going to have a glimmer of hope..

With it, say goodbye to recruiting and hello to a draft. .

Goodbye to the military academy football programs.

Hello unionization and collective bargaining they will claw back most of what's being advocated here.

Say hello to strikes.

Say hello to even more NIL.

You can't cherry pick part of the process model. It's all or nothing.

NIL isn't broken and has nothing to do with the transfer portal. Fix the transfer portal mess and NIL takes care of itself.

 

[DonDiego]

Because the court said you can’t enforce that unless you enforce that on ALL students not just athletes.

Can you tell me which court said that? Seriously, I'm asking for real. I'll admit I haven't done much research on court rulings, although I did skim the Harvard Review for the Alston case. I saw nothing in that review where the Supreme Court touched on transfers or the portal. The entire case appeared to be about NIL, with some pay for play being addressed.

NIL doesn't bother me that much, especially if outside businesses are actually paying for a guy's endorsement. I think the unfettered transfer portal does more damage to the game than NIL.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Can you tell me which court said that? Seriously, I'm asking for real. I'll admit I haven't done much research on court rulings, although I did skim the Harvard Review for the Alston case. I saw nothing in that review where the Supreme Court touched on transfers or the portal. The entire case appeared to be about NIL, with some pay for play being addressed.

NIL doesn't bother me that much, especially if outside businesses are actually paying for a guy's endorsement. I think the unfettered transfer portal does more damage to the game than NIL.

The federal district court that ruled on the State of Ohio vs NCAA case made the transfer ruling. At least 15 other state AG's joined that case as plaintiffs.

The Alston case essentially ruled that the entire NCAA "amateur" sports model was illegal. They didn't go nto specifics on anything other than fair market value in their ruling. It was 9-0 against the NCAA.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

You can't cap NIL. It's literally just endorsement deals. And every player is able to make as much money as they possibly can. They can't be capped any more than Pat Mahomes can be capped with his endorsement deals with State Farm, Subway, or DraftKings.

This x 1,000

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I agree with this!!! The collectives have created this mess and i am not sure why the fans do not see it. We have to stop this paying players up front for an anticipated value. Imagine how much money Spyre lost on Nico by him bailing early and skipping events that were intended for the collective to recoup some of their funds.

It's simple. The collectives are not part of the school. They can't enforce anything regarding buyouts because the schools can't legally enforce a contract between two other private parties.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Given the Supreme Court Alston decision, that is no longer the case.

If the revenue sharing component of the House case goes through, that goes double.

Don’t rule out dualing judges. So far the HAVES had the suits, look for the HAVE NOTS to play find a judge. More of them with local reps in Congress.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Don’t rule out dualing judges. So far the HAVES had the suits, look for the HAVE NOTS to play find a judge. More of them with local reps in Congress.

The biggie is the Alston case, which has already been won by the athletes 9-0.

If you don't like what's happening now, you're going to hate what happens if Congress actually passes a NCAA ATE

 

[SaguaroVol]

imagine Tim Tebow or Josh Dobbs staying in the NCAA.

Hasn't Dobbs been making about $1 million per year as an NFL backup? He'd now make more than that as a college QB.

 

[jessiej86]

Because the court said you can’t enforce that unless you enforce that on ALL students not just athletes.

I don't see how the football eligibility relates to one's right to transfer schools. They seem like two different situations. Anyone can attend any school they want, they may not however, be eligible to play sports. Doesn't seem like NCAA is treating anyone different by limiting eligibility.