A solution to NIL madness

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Well, sure. I can say gunning down shoplifters walking out of Lowes with merchandise is a solution but it's a laughable solution.

I think we should go back to no helmets and the single wing when General Neyland was going undefeated many years.

Laughable? Yes.
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I should have looked like Robert Redford and been as rich as Bill Gates too. But that didn’t happen and ain’t going to. Some folks live in a fantasy world wishing things were the way it used to be. I don’t like the way it’s been handled but I’m not naive enough to think it’s going back to the old system. Just the way it is and more changes are coming that folks aren’t going to like either. (Employees of the university)
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
What % of D1 players do you think are pay worthy for more than scholly, housing, medical, stipend, etc? What % of all D1, D2 and D3?

They need to have the ability earn that money, but in separate divisions. The VAST majority of college athletes have ZERO pro potential and are better served in the amateur model. A new Division for the big boys and girls where they can go pay for play OR amatuer with hardened NIL with separate TV contracts can get it done.

Match the NFL, NBA, headcount’s should be sufficient to withstand the judges. With larger squad sizes you don’t need as many teams?
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NIL (Spyre, etc) isn't about pro potential.
It's about making fair market value while the athletes are still in college.
 
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Delmar said:
I should have looked like Robert Redford and been as rich as Bill Gates too. But that didn’t happen and ain’t going to. Some folks live in a fantasy world wishing things were the way it used to be. I don’t like the way it’s been handled but I’m not naive enough to think it’s going back to the old system. Just the way it is and more changes are coming that folks aren’t going to like either. (Employees of the university)
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I'm just not sold on the idea that universities should have football, basketball, and baseball players as employees. That's got nothing to do with education.

At that point I'll think about "tapping out" on my donations because I see no reason employing pro athletes fits the mandate of UT.

Lease the logo, etc and use the money to promote education but get out of the pro sports business.

As others have pointed out that are attorneys (I'm not,) Congress can carve up the Antitrust Exemption for college and perhaps save it from being completely pro sports. I can't see it but I support it if possible.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm just not sold on the idea that universities should have football, basketball, and baseball players as employees. That's got nothing to do with education.

At that point I'll think about "tapping out" on my donations because I see no reason employing pro athletes fits the mandate of UT.

Lease the logo, etc and use the money to promote education but get out of the pro sports business.

As others have pointed out that are attorneys (I'm not,) Congress can carve up the Antitrust Exemption for college and perhaps save it from being completely pro sports. I can't see it but I support it if possible.
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Having college football, basketball, and baseball coaches make millions of dollars has nothing to do with education, either, yet they are university employees.

A little double standard there, perhaps?
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
NIL (Spyre, etc) isn't about pro potential.
It's about making fair market value while the athletes are still in college.
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Yes the ruling doesn’t require universities to compensate the players at all. All it says is that players can market their name and likeness and profit from such as long as they comply with state law.

The collectives are purchasing the name and likeness from players with the hope of turning a profit from said player which is where things got off the rails IMO. The collectives have essentially turned this into a pay for play situation which is not sustainable going forward without the boosters and fans step up and fund the collectives.

I am not sure of the fix but what I think should happen is the collectives should be marketing such players for a percentage of all the promotions, endorsements and appearance's the players gets and cut out this guaranteed money.
 
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volfan411 said:
Yes the ruling doesn’t require universities to compensate the players at all. All it says is that players can market their name and likeness and profit from such as long as they comply with state law.

The collectives are purchasing the name and likeness from players with the hope of turning a profit from said player which is where things got off the rails IMO. The collectives have essentially turned this into a pay for play situation which is not sustainable going forward without the boosters and fans step up and fund the collectives.

I am not sure of the fix but what I think should happen is the collectives should be marketing such players for a percentage of all the promotions, endorsements and appearance's the players gets and cut out this guaranteed money.
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And that is specifically a double standard since the universities pay millions to coaches.

Fix? There doesn't need to be one. The free market will take care of that.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
And that is specifically a double standard since the universities pay millions to coaches.

Fix? There doesn't need to be one. The free market will take care of that.
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Well I personally don't think coaches are worth the millions but that is a discussion for another day :)

I agree the fair market will eventually take care of this but I am afraid in the meantime some of these players are going to be dealing with broken promises.
 
#83
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volfan411 said:
Well I personally don't think coaches are worth the millions but that is a discussion for another day :)

I agree the fair market will eventually take care of this but I am afraid in the meantime some of these players are going to be dealing with broken promises.
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So what? That has t changed from the past. There's just more money involved in the athletes' end now.

As for "another day", not really. If it's germaine for the athletes, it's germaine for the coaches.

Sauce for the goose....
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
That is where we have been, not where we are headed. Revenue sharing concepts not NIL.
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Regardless, both are financial arrangements in college sports.

And you missed something, the House case settlement ruling has been delayed again. That could hold up - or even torpedo - revenue sharing. I'm not counting my chickens on RS just yet.
 
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superdave1984 said:
Salary cap.
Limit the number of times you can enter the transfer portal.
Change the transfer window to AFTER the playoff has completed.
Make players contract employees and have tight buyouts so they don't ditch you during spring camp. Or just before bowl games!
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FYP!!
And I agree with this whole heartedly!
The NCAA has stood by diotically watching Pandoras Box being opened and done absolutely nothing to bring order or sanity to the NIL paradox we are currently stuck with. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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No spring portal, cap on the money. These kids need to sign contracts. If the bail early they gotta pay some back.
 
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volfan411 said:
I 💯 agree with this!!! The collectives have created this mess and i am not sure why the fans do not see it. We have to stop this paying players up front for an anticipated value. Imagine how much money Spyre lost on Nico by him bailing early and skipping events that were intended for the collective to recoup some of their funds.
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Not even. It's just a signing bonus.

Without it, the elite players .just go somewhere that pays up front, and the Vols will suck forever.

I certainly don't want that.
 
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Mid Tenn Vol said:
No spring portal, cap on the money. These kids need to sign contracts. If the bail early they gotta pay some back.
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Bad ideas.

No spring portal means that playoff teams will have some if their best players leave for the pros in December.

Cap on NIL is a federal law violation.

These young adults DO sign contracts, with their collectives. You know, where the money comes from?

Requiring buyouts from transfers is also illegal. Given that the schools don't pay the money or sign a contract, requiring a buyout is extortion. That is a felony in every U.S. state, district, and territory.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm just not sold on the idea that universities should have football, basketball, and baseball players as employees. That's got nothing to do with education.

At that point I'll think about "tapping out" on my donations because I see no reason employing pro athletes fits the mandate of UT.

Lease the logo, etc and use the money to promote education but get out of the pro sports business.

As others have pointed out that are attorneys (I'm not,) Congress can carve up the Antitrust Exemption for college and perhaps save it from being completely pro sports. I can't see it but I support it if possible.
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The main problem I see is that it’s just too lucrative for the university to give up participation. Can’t see them farming it out.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Colleges are academic institutions, not pro sports franchises that need to have sports revenue and sports branding. That's a big problem from the gitgo. Schools WANTED that media revenue and to build a brand which led us here. The money became the point, not the academics. MULTIPLE states highest paid employee is college coach. Think about how screwed up that is.

It's not college sports. It's pro sports that happen to be attached to colleges. That's not at all within the mission of a university. Not at all.

The colleges did this. They broke it. They had sports which augmented the academic experience and turned into a massive business. A business which the Supreme Court has said is in violation of Antitrust Law at the core and only Congress can fix it.

Colleges need to get out of the pro sports business.
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Colleges did do this but that started back when they were paying kids under the table. So while it appears worse in some areas, it’s better. However, they haven’t ironed NIL and the portal out yet. But yeah in 1920, professional football started (I think). It’s been somewhat what it is for a long time.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Colleges did do this but that started back when they were paying kids under the table. So while it appears worse in some areas, it’s better. However, they haven’t ironed NIL and the portal out yet. But yeah in 1920, professional football started (I think). It’s been somewhat what it is for a long time.
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Other than UT winning in 3 sports, it's not very fun to have chaotic rosters. It's less messy in basketball and baseball.

Per the courts, no organization can really regulate NIL nor the portal eligibility/transfer mess. The NCAA is completely toothless now unless Congress bails them out.

As for history, Oklahoma and Georgia (I think) sued the NCAA in about 1984 to get the right to negotiate big media deals. The NCAA had kept a tight fist on TV overexposure AND kept most of the TV revenue. The schools wanted the exposure and the revenue...... and got it. From there, the TV exposure went crazy, the TV revenue went crazy, and the value of winning became very, very important in getting better TV deals. It was just a matter of time until it boiled over....... the money got way too big.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Agree. They are going to kill the cash cow.
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The facts say otherwise.

UT sold out Neyland season tickets for this fall with around 24,000 on the wait list.

Record viewership for FBS. Record streaming viewership. Record revenues.

Reports of CFB's Denise have been greatly exaggerated.
 
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