A pocket passer

#51
#51
Don't think he is saying a good OL "means very little".. I think he's simply saying that Dobbs is not an accurate passer regardless of what OL he has in front of him... Which, no matter how much you want to deny that fact, is true...

How can that assumption be correctly made? Has Dobbs ever had a good OL? Has he ever had an OL that is comparable to Arkys, Bamas or Georgia's?

I am not saying Dobbs is the best or most accurate passer. But stating flat out that he is completely inaccurate without taking injuries and effectiveness of the OL into the equation is unfair.

Now, if the OL improves next year like we think, then our OL should be pretty good. If Dobbs still has the same accuracy issues next year, then it's completely fair to say he is very inaccurate.
 
#52
#52
Your complete overestimation of the OL is Dobbs only problem is laughable. Yes, when he is pressured (or any QB for that matter) they become inaccurate. What you fail to grasp is my point that he is just as inaccurate when he has zero pressure. Therefore, how can the OL be the problem with him. I went back and watched two complete games and mapped the throws in a previous thread. If you actually spent time analyzing it instead of a knee jerk reaction you would realize the truth.

Which two games? Also I would like your opinion on my question. Do you think a QB like Brandon Allen would be as good with our OL?
 
#53
#53
How can that assumption be correctly made? Has Dobbs ever had a good OL? Has he ever had an OL that is comparable to Arkys, Bamas or Georgia's?

I am not saying Dobbs is the best or most accurate passer. But stating flat out that he is completely inaccurate without taking injuries and effectiveness of the OL into the equation is unfair.

Now, if the OL improves next year like we think, then our OL should be pretty good. If Dobbs still has the same accuracy issues next year, then it's completely fair to say he is very inaccurate.

Now you're bringing injuries into the mix.. Has he been injured all year? I must've missed that..

I'm done arguing this.. I'll tell you what.. Let's revisit this next year about this time. The line should be much better (we hope) and if Dobbs is the QB we'll talk then.
 
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#54
#54
Which two games? Also I would like your opinion on my question. Do you think a QB like Brandon Allen would be as good with our OL?
Dobbs has been inaccurate all year long - both with pressure and without pressure. Accuracy is a byproduct of mechanics and ability and it is highlighted when a passer has time to throw the ball and see the field. The pass Dobbs threw well over EW's head Saturday on a sideline pass of no more than 10 yards it the exact point I'm trying to make. He's also overthrown Hurd on a screen pass. Neither one of those situations was he under any pressure at all and these are both easy passes. Aside from the SC game where he made 2 great throws down the field to Pearson for a TD and where Malone dropped the ball, he has struggled throwing deep balls all year.

You keep wanting to point to Arkansas' line and how much better Dobbs would be with their line or how much worse Allen would be with ours. You are not grasping the point I am making so there is no point continuing this debate. I don't know how you can objectively say his accuracy issues are related solely to the O-line. To me that is a ridiculous claim given the facts, but I'll let you have your opinion. Beyond 10 yards it is a huge surprise when he is on target and hits the receiver in stride. Yes, your claim that the WR's have dropped balls (e.g., Malone against SC) is true, but they have also made adjustments and made great catches as well (e.g., Smith against GA).

I do not deny that a great o-line definitely helps a QB, but I do not agree that our o-line is why Dobbs is inaccurate. He has real issues throwing the ball when nobody is in his face. I'm sorry you can't see that, but we'll just agree to disagree.
 
#55
#55
Here is the post from another thread. It was the GA game, not 2 games as I incorrectly recalled.
Okay, here are some facts. I feel like the majority of you post on emotion rater than facts - such as throwing strikes down the middle when under pressure. Read my previous posts, I am not anti-Dobbs and want him to do well. But, let's be real and talk about facts when it comes to Dobbs' shortcomings as a passer.

I was bored so I watched every GA pass of his again and charted if it was on target or not. On target means the receiver did not have to adjust to the ball. And I was somewhat generous on that and was not overly critical.

On passes of 10 yards and under (QB to receiver - not inclusive of YAC), 19 of 21 of his passes were on target with one of the 2 misses being under pressure. Excellent stats - with 17 of 21 completed for 80%. Of course, with most of those being in the flat and screens, we would expect that.

On passes more than 10 yards, 9 of 19 were on target and he wasn't under any significant pressure on the misses. Not so good with 8 of the 19 completed for 42%. Those of you are astute will notice I'm 2 passes off from the stats - that is because I didn't count the 2 of them because one was tipped at the LOS and he threw one away.

I think we can all agree this was his best game this year and his down field passes were still off target for the most part. I'll say that his decision making was really good this game and he did make some excellent throws. I believe his best throw was the pass in the end zone to Wolf that he dropped. His placement was perfect and that was an awesome pass. Wolf just couldn't control it.

I saw improvement last night and I firmly believe he can continue to get better and more accurate on his throws. When his passing catches up to the rest of his game (running, leadership, etc.), it is going to be awesome.

He has earned the right to keep his job and gives us the best chance to win. I think he proved that last night. But there is still plenty of room for improvement.
 
#56
#56
Now you're bringing injuries into the mix.. Has he been injured all year? I must've missed that..

I'm done arguing this.. I'll tell you what.. Let's revisit this next year about this time. The line should be much better (we hope) and if Dobbs is the QB we'll talk then.

Your last line is my whole point. As I said, if the OL is good next year, and it should be, and Dobbs still has accuracy issue while under no pressure then we can all agree about his accuracy.

I should have clarified about the injuries. I didnt mean him being injured. I meant the OL and some WRs. Sorry about that.
 
#57
#57
Dobbs has been inaccurate all year long - both with pressure and without pressure. Accuracy is a byproduct of mechanics and ability and it is highlighted when a passer has time to throw the ball and see the field. The pass Dobbs threw well over EW's head Saturday on a sideline pass of no more than 10 yards it the exact point I'm trying to make. He's also overthrown Hurd on a screen pass. Neither one of those situations was he under any pressure at all and these are both easy passes. Aside from the SC game where he made 2 great throws down the field to Pearson for a TD and where Malone dropped the ball, he has struggled throwing deep balls all year.

You keep wanting to point to Arkansas' line and how much better Dobbs would be with their line or how much worse Allen would be with ours. You are not grasping the point I am making so there is no point continuing this debate. I don't know how you can objectively say his accuracy issues are related solely to the O-line. To me that is a ridiculous claim given the facts, but I'll let you have your opinion. Beyond 10 yards it is a huge surprise when he is on target and hits the receiver in stride. Yes, your claim that the WR's have dropped balls (e.g., Malone against SC) is true, but they have also made adjustments and made great catches as well (e.g., Smith against GA).

I do not deny that a great o-line definitely helps a QB, but I do not agree that our o-line is why Dobbs is inaccurate. He has real issues throwing the ball when nobody is in his face. I'm sorry you can't see that, but we'll just agree to disagree.

Just for the record, I have never said Dobbs is the most accurate passer and he doesnt make bad throws. Nor have I ever said his accuracy is based solely on the OL. All I have said is that the OL is very important when it comes to a QBs passing. It is by no means the only factor determining a QBs accuracy.

You agree that a great OL definitely helps a QB, thats all I have ever said. If Dobbs has not improved his accuracy with a better OL next year, then I will absolutely agree with your statements.
 
#60
#60
Alvin sure looks good with our line.

Yup, when given the opportunity. I wish we'd adopt the old school Celtics theory of feeding the hot man til the d stopped it. I realize its a different sport and we have 2 really nice backs but we've played formations with both in there several time this yr.

Kamara should've had 20-25 carries last game. Imo
 
#61
#61
Lot of people on both sides of this argument that have no earthly idea what they are talking about

IMO
 
#62
#62
Lot of people on both sides of this argument that have no earthly idea what they are talking about

IMO
Some of us have actually played the game in college and coached it for a long time while others have only "seen" it on TV.
 

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