A New Site For All The Naysayers

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volfannbama said:
Because some believe that when you post something negative it actually results in a player dropping a pass or missing a tackle.
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Or being emotionally scarred for life and that you hate that player as a person because you, well, don't really know them.
 
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Anyone who is still posting in this forum, nega or otherwise, and regardless of how illogical their positions (negative or positive), is still invested in the Vols or they wouldn't bother being here. After all the bad football we have seen from UT for the last 10 or so years, that is a testament to their fandom. If we have another decade of bad football (which I am sorry to say is very possible, in my opinion, for reasons I won't get into here), we may find the real threat to the football program: total fan apathy. Then I guess everyone can find something else to do with their time other than tapping out messages about Vols football on an internet forum.
 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
Anyone who is still posting in this forum, nega or otherwise, and regardless of how illogical their positions (negative or positive), is still invested in the Vols or they wouldn't bother being here. After all the bad football we have seen from UT for the last 10 or so years, that is a testament to their fandom. If we have another decade of bad football (which I am sorry to say is very possible, in my opinion, for reasons I won't get into here), we may find the real threat to the football program: total fan apathy. Then I guess everyone can find something else to do with their time other than tapping out messages about Vols football on an internet forum.
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What are your concerns for the rebuild? High level management, coaching, other?

Apathy is already setting in. A lot of non renewals after last season I’m afraid.
 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
Anyone who is still posting in this forum, nega or otherwise, and regardless of how illogical their positions (negative or positive), is still invested in the Vols or they wouldn't bother being here. After all the bad football we have seen from UT for the last 10 or so years, that is a testament to their fandom. If we have another decade of bad football (which I am sorry to say is very possible, in my opinion, for reasons I won't get into here), we may find the real threat to the football program: total fan apathy. Then I guess everyone can find something else to do with their time other than tapping out messages about Vols football on an internet forum.
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This argument that people aren’t posting here without being fans, isn’t 100% true. We have fans of other teams who visit here daily. They aren’t Vol fans.

But those who actually still go to the games and/or watch them every week, you’re right. It takes a lot after what we’ve been through the last decade.
 
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Jack Burton said:
What are your concerns for the rebuild? High level management, coaching, other?

Apathy is already setting in. A lot of non renewals after last season I’m afraid.
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Thats not really a shock after 4-8 and the Currie/Halsem debacle.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Or being emotionally scarred for life and that you hate that player as a person because you, well, don't really know them.
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If criticism of play = hate that player as a person, then

Criticism of criticism of play = loves the SEC cellar and 4-win seasons
 
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Jack Burton said:
What are your concerns for the rebuild? High level management, coaching, other?

Apathy is already setting in. A lot of non renewals after last season I’m afraid.
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I guess I should not have said "bad football." I think the level of play will get a lot better, but very well may not get UT back to competing for championships or perennial top 10 status.

My primary concern is that, while Pruitt will I think undoubtedly improve the coaching and the roster, it will likely not come fast enough for our fans and/or our administration, and UT will once again enter the coaching lottery. If the admin rolls snake eyes again, which they seem to have an amazing aptitude for, UT football will be in spiral I am not sure it will ever emerge from--at least not for a long, long time.

I do think Pruitt has the potential to be the guy to turn this ship around. He's hard nosed, no-nonsense and (I think) has an eye for good football talent. I am also encouraged by Fulmer's return as AD. This program desperately needs stability. I mean, several years of stability. Only when the coaches don't feel they are constantly coaching for their jobs can they recruit the level of talent UT needs to compete in the SEC.

However, to state the obvious, TN competes in by far the toughest conference in the land. Pruitt could literally bring in several top 10 recruiting classes and coach his brains out and still be sitting behind our rivals in the SEC (gators, dogs, tide). So there will be increasing pressure to beat really, really good programs that are way ahead of UT right now and are likely to stay ahead for the next several years. The gap will certainly close, competitively, but UT has a big mountain to climb to ever pull decisively ahead of these programs. Remember when the Vols were a perennial top 10 team? That occurred in large part because Bama and UGA were having down years. Add to that the fact that traditional bottom dwellers in Vandy and KY have really upgraded their talent levels. It's just a really difficult competitive environment. So, let's say in year 4, Pruitt has the team at 8 wins. Is that going to be satisfactory? To many on this forum, at least, I think the answer would be an clear "no," and the pressure on the AD and administration to make a coaching change would be pretty big.

Add to the above what I call "structural" disadvantages that UT has. 1. UT is the only eastern division team that plays Bama every year. Of course, things can wax and wane over time, but for the foreseeable future Alabama will likely be the number 1 or 2 team in the country. Every stinking year. This presents a huge obstacle to UT ever reaching the SEC championship game. Posters here have criticized me for the idea that we should try to end permanent cross division opponents. "We ain't skeered" seems to be their attitude. I am not "skeered" either, but I do recognize that having Alabama as our permanent cross division opponent puts us at a competitive disadvantage compared to UGA, UF and every other eastern division team. It just obviously does. 2. In-state recruiting. Many of our SEC rivals can recruit every player they want from within their home state. While TN's in-state recruiting pool is getting better, it is far inferior to Georgia and Florida's in-state talent pool. Add to this obstacle the fact that a big part of TN's instate prep talent is in the Memphis area, which is about 7 hours from Knoxville. I grew up in West TN and know from experience that folks in Memphis hardly consider UT the state university. Memphis is closer to New Orleans than it is to Knoxville. So, you have a lot of Memphis area prep talent that naturally considers opportunities to play somewhere else. Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss State and Bama all recruit Memphis very well. And if UT does end up firing Pruitt after 4 or 5 years, any prospective hire will take these structural disadvantages into account when making a decision. I think this is one big reason why UT so often ends up hiring their 4th or 5th choice for a head coach. If the candidate has several offers to choose from, these disadvantages may be a deciding factor against the Vols.

Of course, there are many positives for UT as well: great facilities, passionate fan base, great tradition, etc. I have hope for the future of the program. But I don't think we can ignore the obstacles the program faces. If Pruitt is ultimately judged a failure in a few years, he will I think undoubtedly leave the program better than he found it (stability, roster, etc.). But if we get back on the coaching carousel, we had better have a "can't miss" candidate in the wings or we will be having this same conversation a decade from now.

Sorry for the long post. As always, just my opinions.
 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
I guess I should not have said "bad football." I think the level of play will get a lot better, but very well may not get UT back to competing for championships or perennial top 10 status.

My primary concern is that, while Pruitt will I think undoubtedly improve the coaching and the roster, it will likely not come fast enough for our fans and/or our administration, and UT will once again enter the coaching lottery. If the admin rolls snake eyes again, which they seem to have an amazing aptitude for, UT football will be in spiral I am not sure it will every emerge from--at least not for a long, long time.

I do think Pruitt has the potential to be the guy to turn this ship around. He's hard nosed, no-nonsense and (I think) has an eye for good football talent. I am also encouraged by Fulmer's return as AD. This program desperately needs stability. I mean, several years of stability. Only when the coaches don't feel they are constantly coaching for their jobs can they recruit the level of talent UT needs to compete in the SEC.

However, to state the obvious, TN competes in by far the toughest conference in the land. Pruitt could literally bring in several top 10 recruiting classes and coach his brains out and still be sitting behind our rivals in the SEC (gators, dogs, tide). So there will be increasing pressure to beat really, really good programs that are way ahead of UT right now and are likely to stay ahead for the next several years. The gap will certainly close, competitively, but UT has a big mountain to climb to ever pull decisively ahead of these programs. Remember when the Vols were a perennial top 10 team? That occurred in large part because Bama and UGA were having down years. Add to that the fact that traditional bottom dwellers in Vandy and KY have really upgraded their talent levels. It's just a really difficult competitive environment. So, let's say in year 4, Pruitt has the team at 8 wins. Is that going to be satisfactory? To many on this forum, at least, I think the answer would be an clear "no," and the pressure on the AD and administration to make a coaching change would be pretty big.

Add to the above what I call "structural" disadvantages that UT has. 1. UT is the only eastern division team that plays Bama every year. Of course, things can wax and wane over time, but for the foreseeable future Alabama will likely be the number 1 or 2 team in the country. Every stinking year. This presents a huge obstacle to UT ever reaching the SEC championship game. Posters here have criticized me for the idea that we should try to end permanent cross division opponents. "We ain't skeered" seems to be their attitude. I am not "skeered" either, but I do recognize that having Alabama as our permanent cross division opponent puts us at a competitive disadvantage compared to UGA, UF and every other eastern division team. It just obviously does. 2. In-state recruiting. Many of our SEC rivals can recruit every player they want from within their home state. While TN's in-state recruiting pool is getting better, it is far inferior to Georgia and Florida's in-state talent pool. Add to this obstacle the fact that a big part of TN's instate prep talent is in the Memphis area, which is about 7 hours from Knoxville. I grew up in West TN and know from experience that folks in Memphis hardly consider UT the state university. Memphis is closer to New Orleans than it is to Knoxville. So, you have a lot of Memphis area prep talent that naturally considers opportunities to play somewhere else. Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss State and Bama all recruit Memphis very well. And if UT does end up firing Pruitt after 4 or 5 years, any prospective hire will take these structural disadvantages into account when making a decision. I think this is one big reason why UT so often ends up hiring their 4th or 5th choice for a head coach. If the candidate has several offers to choose from, these disadvantages may be a deciding factor against the Vols.

Of course, there are many positives for UT as well: great facilities, passionate fan base, great tradition, etc. I have hope for the future of the program. But I don't think we can ignore the obstacles the program faces. If Pruitt is ultimately judged a failure in a few years, he will I think undoubtedly leave the program better than he found it (stability, roster, etc.). But if we get back on the coaching carousel, we had better have a "can't miss" candidate in the wings or we will be having this same conversation a decade from now.

Sorry for the long post. As always, just my opinions.
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#189
#189
MAUSERWERKE said:
I guess I should not have said "bad football." I think the level of play will get a lot better, but very well may not get UT back to competing for championships or perennial top 10 status.

My primary concern is that, while Pruitt will I think undoubtedly improve the coaching and the roster, it will likely not come fast enough for our fans and/or our administration, and UT will once again enter the coaching lottery. If the admin rolls snake eyes again, which they seem to have an amazing aptitude for, UT football will be in spiral I am not sure it will every emerge from--at least not for a long, long time.

I do think Pruitt has the potential to be the guy to turn this ship around. He's hard nosed, no-nonsense and (I think) has an eye for good football talent. I am also encouraged by Fulmer's return as AD. This program desperately needs stability. I mean, several years of stability. Only when the coaches don't feel they are constantly coaching for their jobs can they recruit the level of talent UT needs to compete in the SEC.

However, to state the obvious, TN competes in by far the toughest conference in the land. Pruitt could literally bring in several top 10 recruiting classes and coach his brains out and still be sitting behind our rivals in the SEC (gators, dogs, tide). So there will be increasing pressure to beat really, really good programs that are way ahead of UT right now and are likely to stay ahead for the next several years. The gap will certainly close, competitively, but UT has a big mountain to climb to ever pull decisively ahead of these programs. Remember when the Vols were a perennial top 10 team? That occurred in large part because Bama and UGA were having down years. Add to that the fact that traditional bottom dwellers in Vandy and KY have really upgraded their talent levels. It's just a really difficult competitive environment. So, let's say in year 4, Pruitt has the team at 8 wins. Is that going to be satisfactory? To many on this forum, at least, I think the answer would be an clear "no," and the pressure on the AD and administration to make a coaching change would be pretty big.

Add to the above what I call "structural" disadvantages that UT has. 1. UT is the only eastern division team that plays Bama every year. Of course, things can wax and wane over time, but for the foreseeable future Alabama will likely be the number 1 or 2 team in the country. Every stinking year. This presents a huge obstacle to UT ever reaching the SEC championship game. Posters here have criticized me for the idea that we should try to end permanent cross division opponents. "We ain't skeered" seems to be their attitude. I am not "skeered" either, but I do recognize that having Alabama as our permanent cross division opponent puts us at a competitive disadvantage compared to UGA, UF and every other eastern division team. It just obviously does. 2. In-state recruiting. Many of our SEC rivals can recruit every player they want from within their home state. While TN's in-state recruiting pool is getting better, it is far inferior to Georgia and Florida's in-state talent pool. Add to this obstacle the fact that a big part of TN's instate prep talent is in the Memphis area, which is about 7 hours from Knoxville. I grew up in West TN and know from experience that folks in Memphis hardly consider UT the state university. Memphis is closer to New Orleans than it is to Knoxville. So, you have a lot of Memphis area prep talent that naturally considers opportunities to play somewhere else. Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss State and Bama all recruit Memphis very well. And if UT does end up firing Pruitt after 4 or 5 years, any prospective hire will take these structural disadvantages into account when making a decision. I think this is one big reason why UT so often ends up hiring their 4th or 5th choice for a head coach. If the candidate has several offers to choose from, these disadvantages may be a deciding factor against the Vols.

Of course, there are many positives for UT as well: great facilities, passionate fan base, great tradition, etc. I have hope for the future of the program. But I don't think we can ignore the obstacles the program faces. If Pruitt is ultimately judged a failure in a few years, he will I think undoubtedly leave the program better than he found it (stability, roster, etc.). But if we get back on the coaching carousel, we had better have a "can't miss" candidate in the wings or we will be having this same conversation a decade from now.

Sorry for the long post. As always, just my opinions.
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Well put sir.

 
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Behr said:
Those whining about it to Freak was embarrassing, I couldn't believe they were actually serious about it. But I will say this, the ones they were actually whining about were just as embarrassing. Both parties acted like spoiled little 8 year old girls.
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I thought it was a joke at first. These millenials would soil themselves if they went back in time to the 70's and 80's.... they'd have ptsd
 
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Tell me again what was just so damn tough about the 70's and 80's when you could buy a home with a minimum wage job. It was your generarion that raised the millenials so if you don't like them then blame yourselves.
 
#195
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MAUSERWERKE said:
I guess I should not have said "bad football." I think the level of play will get a lot better, but very well may not get UT back to competing for championships or perennial top 10 status.

My primary concern is that, while Pruitt will I think undoubtedly improve the coaching and the roster, it will likely not come fast enough for our fans and/or our administration, and UT will once again enter the coaching lottery. If the admin rolls snake eyes again, which they seem to have an amazing aptitude for, UT football will be in spiral I am not sure it will ever emerge from--at least not for a long, long time.

I do think Pruitt has the potential to be the guy to turn this ship around. He's hard nosed, no-nonsense and (I think) has an eye for good football talent. I am also encouraged by Fulmer's return as AD. This program desperately needs stability. I mean, several years of stability. Only when the coaches don't feel they are constantly coaching for their jobs can they recruit the level of talent UT needs to compete in the SEC.

However, to state the obvious, TN competes in by far the toughest conference in the land. Pruitt could literally bring in several top 10 recruiting classes and coach his brains out and still be sitting behind our rivals in the SEC (gators, dogs, tide). So there will be increasing pressure to beat really, really good programs that are way ahead of UT right now and are likely to stay ahead for the next several years. The gap will certainly close, competitively, but UT has a big mountain to climb to ever pull decisively ahead of these programs. Remember when the Vols were a perennial top 10 team? That occurred in large part because Bama and UGA were having down years. Add to that the fact that traditional bottom dwellers in Vandy and KY have really upgraded their talent levels. It's just a really difficult competitive environment. So, let's say in year 4, Pruitt has the team at 8 wins. Is that going to be satisfactory? To many on this forum, at least, I think the answer would be an clear "no," and the pressure on the AD and administration to make a coaching change would be pretty big.

Add to the above what I call "structural" disadvantages that UT has. 1. UT is the only eastern division team that plays Bama every year. Of course, things can wax and wane over time, but for the foreseeable future Alabama will likely be the number 1 or 2 team in the country. Every stinking year. This presents a huge obstacle to UT ever reaching the SEC championship game. Posters here have criticized me for the idea that we should try to end permanent cross division opponents. "We ain't skeered" seems to be their attitude. I am not "skeered" either, but I do recognize that having Alabama as our permanent cross division opponent puts us at a competitive disadvantage compared to UGA, UF and every other eastern division team. It just obviously does. 2. In-state recruiting. Many of our SEC rivals can recruit every player they want from within their home state. While TN's in-state recruiting pool is getting better, it is far inferior to Georgia and Florida's in-state talent pool. Add to this obstacle the fact that a big part of TN's instate prep talent is in the Memphis area, which is about 7 hours from Knoxville. I grew up in West TN and know from experience that folks in Memphis hardly consider UT the state university. Memphis is closer to New Orleans than it is to Knoxville. So, you have a lot of Memphis area prep talent that naturally considers opportunities to play somewhere else. Ole Miss, Arkansas, Miss State and Bama all recruit Memphis very well. And if UT does end up firing Pruitt after 4 or 5 years, any prospective hire will take these structural disadvantages into account when making a decision. I think this is one big reason why UT so often ends up hiring their 4th or 5th choice for a head coach. If the candidate has several offers to choose from, these disadvantages may be a deciding factor against the Vols.

Of course, there are many positives for UT as well: great facilities, passionate fan base, great tradition, etc. I have hope for the future of the program. But I don't think we can ignore the obstacles the program faces. If Pruitt is ultimately judged a failure in a few years, he will I think undoubtedly leave the program better than he found it (stability, roster, etc.). But if we get back on the coaching carousel, we had better have a "can't miss" candidate in the wings or we will be having this same conversation a decade from now.

Sorry for the long post. As always, just my opinions.
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surrealvol said:
Hey Freakie, I think a new site for all the naysayers, negavols, and other negative fans would be a good idea. That way they could chat with each other and see who coud be the most naysayerish! Seriously though, it would be nice to see more positives and fewer negatives come from our forums where we are supposed to be backing and encouraging these young men and women on our teams at U.T. I dare say that very, very few of them are not trying to give their all for U.T. while a large, large, large percentage of them are !!!
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Or... maybe you should go start a site where no one is allowed to say anything objectively critical or discuss failures?

I joined here early on. I've kept the same screen name the whole time rather than run from my opinions... right or wrong. I try to be fair but say when I think something is good and when I think something is bad. You may not have people like me in mind but even if you don't the "negative" fans often have a point that's at least partially valid. Maybe just try to deal with the core of their thought rather than wanting to silence them because their opinion makes you uncomfortable.... Lord knows there is way too much of that in our society today outside this recreational website.
 
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Rocky Top Raby said:
Tell me again what was just so damn tough about the 70's and 80's when you could buy a home with a minimum wage job. It was your generarion that raised the millenials so if you don't like them then blame yourselves.
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Some us raised our millennial children the right way, like saying yes sir, no sir to their elders.
 
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Rocky Top Raby said:
Tell me again what was just so damn tough about the 70's and 80's when you could buy a home with a minimum wage job. It was your generarion that raised the millenials so if you don't like them then blame yourselves.
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Yes and no. You could not come close to buying a home most would deem acceptable with a minimum wage in the 70's or 80's. If you are talking about that kind of house then you can still find houses in certain parts of the country for less than $50K. They probably won't meet "HUD" codes and certainly won't meet the "standards" of millennials... but you could live in them and stay out of the elements.

Did our "generation" raise the millennials? Yes. And the "greatest generation" or whatever raised us. This isn't a two or even four generation decline. This decline started in the late 1800's with the advent of philosophical modernism/materialism. It infected every level and aspect of society- rich, poor, "middle class" (classes were previously antithetical to the American ideal)…. science, education, religion, politics, psychology, sociology,... Its full maturation was seen in the 60-80's when even the family model lost its sacredness and sex became nothing more than transactional. Predictably divorce and illegitimacy skyrocketed.

So yes as a whole our generation played its part in destroying the traditional family and traditional morality... which has time and again proven to be the best foundation for peace, stability, respect, and prosperity. But... millennials certainly aren't racing to restore what worked.
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
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Some us raised our millennial children the right way, like saying yes sir, no sir to their elders.
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My kids aren't perfect but all are respectful and have the right fundamental values.... and their success didn't come without some healthy doses of the "rod".... and love... and security... and seeing their parents sacrifice for them... and especially biblical instruction/values. We never fell into the mistake so many made with that generation in allowing them to believe that they or their "self-esteem" was the most important thing.
 
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