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#601
#601
n_huffhines said:
You guys are out of your mind if you think Waffle House and IHOP are better than Cracker Barrel.
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Your business is what they are trying to keep. Cracker Barrel was good 15 years ago. Now it's about getting you in and out with a minimum amount of effort. Waffle House is the shiz. Steak and Cheese omelette FTW.

Cracker Barrel doesn't realize that for every customer that they keep because they remove Phil, they will lose two because they can go somewhere else and then lose two more that would have gone because they supported them. Losing 4 or 5 potential customers to keep one is the way a PC business is run these day......kinda like the federal government. At a fast paced fail.
 
#602
#602
Actually Perkins has the best chicken fried steak, their eggs are cooked better than CB (you actually get sunny side as sunny side, not cooked hard just from one side), and their prices are way better.
 
#605
#605
I've read what Phil said several times.

I don't really care about him or DD. And all of the support Phil nonsense on Facebook is getting really old.

With that said, I am having a hard time finding here he bashed or hated or where his words deserved being suspended.

I do believe he could have shown more grace and love. I really take no issue with the words he said but more those fe didn't say.

I think that if you are going to take to a public forum to rail against homosexuality as a sin, you would be well served to point out that you would stand by and protect every one against attacks just as you are standing by them to let them know homosexuality is no path to heaven. That you care for the man or woman and that your love for them and all men is what motivates you to proclaim that there's is no path to heaven. That it isn't hate but concern for their eternal soul that makes you say it. I think many gay people who have been bashed first by themselves and then by others need to hear that they aren't hated when someone says they're lifestyle is wrong in the eyes of God. That you don't hate them and that the last thing you want is ill for them.

My religious beliefs and his clearly don't align but I'm not going to bash him for that. I will say that I have to disagree with him though. His beliefs would lead him to clearly oppose any access for homosexuals to union while I think it is important to grant this to homosexuals. I also don't find the sin in it in my personal moral code - but that code is worth nothing to anyone else, obviously. Just as Phil's is.
 
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#606
I think it is all in how you (the reader) want to interpret it. He also compared Adultery to homosexuality and no one is bashing that. After all, he doesn't say that one sin is greater than another just that he believes it is a sin.

And any good Catholic knows we all are sinners.
 
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MontereyVol said:
I think it is all in how you (the reader) want to interpret it. He also compared Adultery to homosexuality and no one is bashing that. After all, he doesn't say that one sin is greater than another just that he believes it is a sin.

And any good Catholic knows we all are sinners.
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So I really didn't take those as comparisons. He was stating the blurred lines of right and wrong and how sin spirals. I suppose saying they are all sins is comparing but not really.
 
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#608
n_huffhines said:
You guys are out of your mind if you think Waffle House and IHOP are better than Cracker Barrel.
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Both are better from my experience, I've been to three different Cracker Barrels for breakfast & dinner, and it was unedible everytime! Great environment with crappy food IMO..
 
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#609
#609
Cracker Barrel apologized and is putting all Duck Dynasty items back on their shelves
 
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#613
82_VOL_83 said:
Until you can prove via gentics that what you say is true, you won't ever win this argument. Some gays just are, some are the products of their childhood environment, and some are gay because it is now "cool" somehow. I don't know what the proportions are, but I believe the later two categories far outweigh the first.
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I'm not going to argue this poinwith you as this is your opinion and you're not likely to change it, however I do want to provide additional perspective.

I appreciate how you do concede that some do not have a choice in their sexuality - that's a better position than many in opposition hold.

Also, while there are no conclusive studies right now there are several which seem to indicate differences in brain chemistry, and presence of certain genetic markers in gay folks. I understand there has been no 'gay gene' discovered, but research indicates homosexuality is more a combination of genetic markers along with envirnmental factors in the womb (hormonal exposure). Nothing conclusive, but there has been progress there.

I can only speak from my own personal experience and the (many) gay folks with who I have discussed the topic, but want to add additional perspective.

My brother and I are both gay, and neither of us have ever felt attraction to women. As I mentioned earlier in this thread I fought against it for years, agonizing and painful years. No matter how much I wanted to be 'normal', it never happened. Not with prayer, counseling, nothing. So I am 100% sure that my sexuality is innate.

In addition, I have met a lot of other gay folks over the last 20+ years in which this very topic has been discussed. The overwhelming majority all state the same experience - they have always had the attraction, it was never a choice for them. Bisexuals are obviously a different situation, so I'll grant that they might be a good example of choice. I'm not bisexual so I have no idea what that's like. I'm 43 now, and if you heard some of the stories for gay folks who grew up around the same time I think it might adjust perception a bit. So many ridiculed, disowned by family and church, physically absused, constantly told how they'll be burning in hell. Why would anyone choose that? Obviously we all didn't have those experiences, but I have been surprised at how many did.

I currently work with a charitable organization for LGBT youth and their allies. While society is much better today for gay people, I am astounded at how many of these kids are still being disowned and bullied by their families and peers. It's easy to see why the suicide rate in gay teens is significantly higher than their counterparts; it's not an easy life, even today.

I don't expect this to change your opinion, but please understand this is sharing views from the other side of the fence. In dealing with a large population of gay people directly, their experience says that it is very much something that is innate.
 
#614
#614
Cracker Barrel has been known to be anti gay so I' m not sure where suddenly decided to be all equal rights.

The people commenting who don't even watch the show need to stfu.
The people commenting who have not read the article also need to stfu.

A&E banning Phil for his comments when I'm pretty sure the whole family probably feels the same way is laughable.
That's why you put a disclaimer on the screen.
 
#615
#615
Any chance this is a ploy by both sides and they make up after Christmas? It does seen fairly mild and a&E acted very quickly against their cash cow. DD gear does seem to be selling fast...
 
#616
#616
Happy Happy Happy

A&E says they had no plans to fire Phil. Lol

Phil is back starting jan 15th
 
#619
#619
Money Money.....A&E found out that they were going to lose some big time $$$$ & their cash cow because some other network was going to pick them up & they have nothing else going for 'em.
 
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#620
I haven't found a news story saying A&E is doing this - any link?

Oh and it was clear it was about money from the beginning when they didn't yank existing episodes off the air. The whole notion of a "suspension" was ludicrous - it would not change Phil's values or beliefs. It was nothing more than an attempt to distance themselves for show to preserve the cash.

If A&E came out and admitted it was a pure business decision then I'd have more respect for them instead of claiming it was a "values" decision.
 
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volinbham said:
I haven't found a news story saying A&E is doing this - any link?

Oh and it was clear it was about money from the beginning when they didn't yank existing episodes off the air. The whole notion of a "suspension" was ludicrous - it would not change Phil's values or beliefs. It was nothing more than an attempt to distance themselves for show to preserve the cash.

If A&E came out and admitted it was a pure business decision then I'd have more respect for them instead of claiming it was a "values" decision.
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Phil Robertson Returning To Duck Dynasty // Mr. Conservative
 
#622
#622
volinbham said:
I haven't found a news story saying A&E is doing this - any link?

Oh and it was clear it was about money from the beginning when they didn't yank existing episodes off the air. The whole notion of a "suspension" was ludicrous - it would not change Phil's values or beliefs. It was nothing more than an attempt to distance themselves for show to preserve the cash.

If A&E came out and admitted it was a pure business decision then I'd have more respect for them instead of claiming it was a "values" decision.
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Yep pretty much.
 
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Obsessed said:
Phil Robertson Returning To Duck Dynasty // Mr. Conservative
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Thanks but I don't see this as any change in position - he was returning Jan 15 since they've already shot those episodes and he can't be removed. The quote from the article below is status quo so far as I can tell.

It has now been revealed that Phil Robertson will be returning to Duck Dynasty on January 15. A&E said they have no plans to fire the star.
It appears as though the war on Phil Robertson and his freedoms of free speech and religions aren’t quite so savage. Although A&E declared they were suspending the star “indefinitely, ” it was apparently only a façade for the gay community as sources say they still intend to air episodes featuring Robertson .
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The last line is what I've been saying all along - the "suspension" is meaningless since they are still airing shows with him in it.
 
#624
#624
volinbham said:
Thanks but I don't see this as any change in position - he was returning Jan 15 since they've already shot those episodes and he can't be removed. The quote from the article below is status quo so far as I can tell.



The last line is what I've been saying all along - the "suspension" is meaningless since they are still airing shows with him in it.
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Meaning he will still get paid, correct?

So the suspension is meaningless and A&E is trying to save face.
 
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