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[gcbvol]

Can homosexuality not be both? I know people who switched in the middle of their lives, and they definitely weren't "in the closet" at any time. What was stated to me was the fact they couldn't trust the opposite sex any more, and felt more reassured and loved by someone of the same sex. Some I know even switched back, after they didn't like the "bedroom lifestyle", as they put it. Making it a one sided argument for either, isn't productive as to why it happens in the first place.

I don't deny that happens, but in my experience that whole choice scenario is not the norm. That's why I made sure to include that I was not speaking for all who are 'gay'.

 

[MercyPercy]

Never seen it, looks like one of the dozens of "redneck reality" shows that have sprung up recently that northerners love to watch because golly gosh willikers us southerners are such a dang hoot, yee haw.

I had no idea it had such an inexplicable following, but that's just the times I guess. Lol.


As for his comments, many people would be fired if they represented a company and got caught saying those type of things. So I don't know why his dismissal is so surprising.

 

[Grand Vol]

Let's just sum this up in a nutshell...

Robertson was interviewed and answered the questions truthfully. And if anyone is familiar with him, you know he's going to speak his mind.

A gay rights group complained about said article.

A&E canned Robertson because "oh my, we can't have someone making those kinds of statements!" Even though plenty of other groups have whined about the show from the perspective of them practicing their Christian faith, owning guns or shooting animals.

So what's more hypocritical? A person who answers a question honestly that he believes something to be a sin, something many people share in common with him?

Or the gay rights group, that probably encourages their members to be open and honest about who they are and the stances they take?

Or A&E for dismissing Robertson for speaking his mind?

 

[tim]

Never seen it, looks like one of the dozens of "redneck reality" shows that have sprung up recently that northerners love to watch because golly gosh willikers us southerners are such a dang hoot, yee haw.

I had no idea it had such an inexplicable following, but that's just the times I guess. Lol.


As for his comments, many people would be fired if they represented a company and got caught saying those type of things. So I don't know why his dismissal is so surprising.

Whats surprising is the inability to have an opinion without consequence. So people supress their thoughts and true conversation and debate never occurs. Yay for mind control.

 

[salutethehill]

I don't want to take this off topic, but I also take a bit of issue by calling homosexuality a preference and/or lifestyle. Those terms both imply choice, and being gay is as much a choice as race or gender are choices. And, no, I'm not speaking for all who identify as gay, but everyone I know claims the same. That is what differentiates homosexuality with some of those other sins, imo.

There's a gaping difference between homosexuality and race.

 

[salutethehill]

 

[gcbvol]

That's why I thought the gays would be supporting Phil.

People are emotional animals and sometimes have difficulty applying logic to situations like this. In short, they let words hurt them and they lash out.

I will add that I don't necessarily think the uproar is without some merit - meaning that I think some of it comes from good intentions. Whether we are all aware, or care, there are people today (many young) who are gay and trying to come to terms with it. When you have a sort of celebrity/public figure making statements like that in a national publication, it can serve to perpetuate the struggle and self-hate that often accompanies.

The bottom line is that we do not all share the same beliefs, and that's readily apparent in this very thread. That is why we need to apply logic in situations like this one - he was merely stating his beliefs and was not being hateful in any way; would we not also want to do the same without punishment? I think so.

We're never going to be in full agreement, so we need to abide dissenting opinions even if they do 'hurt' us.

 

[MercyPercy]

Whats surprising is the inability to have an opinion without consequence. So people supress their thoughts and true conversation and debate never occurs. Yay for mind control.

I'm sure your previous bosses would have loved if you did an interview and started talking about white power and the KKK being a good old fashioned family get together.

 

[tim]

People are emotional animals and sometimes have difficulty applying logic to situations like this. In short, they let words hurt them and they lash out.

I will add that I don't necessarily think the uproar is without some merit - meaning that I think some of it comes from good intentions. Whether we are all aware, or care, there are people tofay (many young) who are gay and trying to come to terms with it. When you have a sort of celebrity/public figure making statements like that in a national publication, it can serve to perpetuate the struggle and self-hate that often accompanies.

The bottom line is that we do not all share the same beliefs, and that's readily apparent in this very thread. That is why we need to apply logic in situations like this one - he was merely stating his beliefs and was not being hateful in any way; would we not also want to do the same without punishment? I think so.

We're never going to be in full agreement, so we neede to abide dissenting opinions even if they do 'hurt' us.

Yep, this also allows for conversation which usually leads to understanding and respect.

 

[gcbvol]

There's a gaping difference between homosexuality and race.

Disagree. One can no more choose their sexual orientation than they can the color of their skin (in my experience). In that specific way they are quite similar.

 

[tim]

I'm sure your previous bosses would have loved if you did an interview and started talking about white power and the KKK being a good old fashioned family get together.

Because hating people is what your ilk thinks having an opinion means. Dont be a dummy I do not subscribe to hate, but I do respect an opinion. Not every opinion is designed because of hate.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Huh? Was he referencing all sin, and included homosexuality into that?

Every one of the above harms another human being in some fashion. What consenting adults may do behind closed doors is only wrong because a 2000 year old bronze age text says so.

No, it's wrong because the Lord God says it's wrong. Whether you, or I, or anyone else agrees with Him is irrelevant because He has the final say.
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[salutethehill]

Disagree. One can no more choose their sexual orientation than they can the color of their skin (in my experience). In that specific way they are quite similar.

Can someone choose to act on their violent tendencies if they're just born that way (we all know someone - Type A, right?)?
Can someone choose to act on their addictive tendencies if they're just born that way (alcoholism is a disease, right?)?
Can someone choose to act on their homosexual tendencies is they're just born that way (not all homosexuals do)?

You don't choose your skin color.

That's just one difference.

 

[MercyPercy]

Because hating people is what your ilk thinks having an opinion means. Dont be a dummy I do not subscribe to hate, but I do respect an opinion. Not every opinion is designed because of hate.

I don't know what you're talking about, but my basic point was that saying controversial/politically incorrect stuff publicly like that is bound to get you fired from a lot of jobs.

But I just looked up this family and read a little wiki history and I don't think he's sitting in a corner pouting. They were already wealthy beyond belief before the show started.

 

[tim]

No, it's wrong because the Lord God says it's wrong. Whether you, or I, or anyone else agrees with Him is irrelevant because He has the final say.
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And who among us is without sin? This biblical reference about homosexuality is overplayed even if it is factual. The bible speaks of many sins that humans subscribe to and protest. To me, using Biblical arguments sometimes hides a personal bias or opinion. If so, just say so.

 

[tim]

I don't know what you're talking about, but my basic point was that saying controversial/politically incorrect stuff publicly like that is bound to get you fired from a lot of jobs.

But I just looked up this family and read a little wiki history and I don't think he's sitting in a corner pouting. They were already wealthy beyond belief before the show started.

Im talking about a double standard that we live in today. This double standard stifles debate and fertilizes hate and discontent.

 

[gcbvol]

Can someone choose to act on their violent tendencies if they're just born that way (we all know someone - Type A, right?)?
Can someone choose to act on their addictive tendencies if they're just born that way (alcoholism is a disease, right?)?
Can someone choose to act on their homosexual tendencies is they're just born that way (not all homosexuals do)?

You don't choose your skin color.

That's just one difference.

Don't disagree with anything you listed. My point is not about the 'acting out', it is simply that sexuality is innate. Just as skin color and gender are innate.

I think this is important because if more people would consider this point I think they'd be much more understanding than they are today. It's really easy and a cop out to just say "those gays choose that sinful, deviant behavior", as if it's just a matter of flipping a switch. It isn't that simple.

I'm not advocating that everyone accept homosexuality, but we could all do a better job with empathy.

 

[hog88]

Don't disagree with anything you listed. My point is not about the 'acting out', it is simply that sexuality is innate. Just as sking color and gender are innate.

I think this is important because if more people would consider this point I think they'd be much more understanding than they are today. It's really easy and a cop out to just say "those gays choose that sinful, deviant behavior", as if it's just a matter of flipping a switch. It isn't that simple.

I'm not advocating that everyone accept homosexuality, but we could all do a better job with empathy.

I know what you mean, I've tried flipping that switch and it dosn't work. I was born not being attracted to fat chicks!

 

[tim]

Don't disagree with anything you listed. My point is not about the 'acting out', it is simply that sexuality is innate. Just as sking color and gender are innate.

I think this is important because if more people would consider this point I think they'd be much more understanding than they are today. It's really easy and a cop out to just say "those gays choose that sinful, deviant behavior", as if it's just a matter of flipping a switch. It isn't that simple.

I'm not advocating that everyone accept homosexuality, but we could all do a better job with empathy.

Empathy requires understanding. Usually one does not just change without some kind of life altering event (like finding out their son is gay). Or education of course we cant talk about it only accept it, which is the problem.

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm not advocating that everyone accept homosexuality, but we could all do a better job with empathy.

Here's the problem friend...

Too many "groups" state categorically one HAS to accept homosexuality. You will accept it period and in no uncertain terms!

And sadly, the hypocritical thinking is the other side of the debate has zero say in the matter and cannot voice their opinions on whether they think it's right or wrong. You will accept the fact it's right is their line of thinking.

Hard to dredge up empathy when dealing with hypocrites. Especially when you are being forced to believe in something you believe is immoral and against every belief you were raised with.

 

[gcbvol]

Im talking about a double standard that we live in today. This double standard stifles debate and fertilizes hate and discontent.

Agreed. Forcing opinions/beliefs on one another simply does not work. We need civil discourse, applying more logic and less emotion.

I'm a big believer in empathy, and think we'd all get along much better if we worked to foster it in our lives.

 

[tim]

Agreed. Forcing opinions/beliefs on one another simply does not work. We need civil discourse, applying more logic and less emotion.

I'm a big believer in empathy, and think we'd all get along much better if we worked to foster it in our lives.

See.. I like you, dont care about your orientation. Debate is awesome. Hope you agree.

 

[gcbvol]

See.. I like you, dont care about your orientation. Debate is awesome. Hope you agree.

Completely.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I don't deny that happens, but in my experience that whole choice scenario is not the norm. That's why I made sure to include that I was not speaking for all who are 'gay'.

Got ya. :hi:

 

[Obsessed]

See.. I like you, dont care about your orientation. Debate is awesome. Hope you agree.

I have. Friend just like him. You can actually have a conversation with him about it. Hell he even votes republican.