A deeper look into Tony Elliott at Clemson. A data based examination

[HiltonHeadVol]

Tony Elliott is the "sexy choice" based on the media and others crooning for him to get his chance. He has been "mentioned" with such lofty jobs as Titans OC and Seattle OC slots as well as others over the past couple of years. But how much of this is really validated (and how much is this coming from word of mouth or his own agent pushing his client)? Please look at his record and find one piece of data that suggests he will be even modestly successful as a Power 5 head coach? He was given the titular role of CO-OC after 2015 at Clemson. Chad Morris who had been CO-OC from 2011-14 at Clemson went on to SMU where he had marginal success (yes, I know it was 3 years SMU where he went 14-22) and then was hired as HC at Ark. where he set a school record for 10 losses and was summarily fired in his 2nd year. Elliott's CO-OC from 2015-2019 was Jeff Scott (former coach Brad Scott's son at SC). He has gone on to post a 1-8 season at USFla for his first year as HC. He is under some heat and had to make wholesale changes to coaching staff to keep his slot. If you look closely, you'll see Dabo Swinney with a clipboard in every game since .....forever? Yes, its because HE - Dabo - is calling the plays. Even in 2020 Swinney called the plays. Tony Elliott is the RB coach at Clemson just like Morris was the QB coach just like Scott was the WR coach. They were given the title of CO-OC for resume purposes and NOT to run the offense. NOTHING here suggests that any of these 3 guys - Chad Morris, Jeff Scott, or TONY ELLIOTT are destined for HC success. DABO SWINNEY is the OC at Clemson. Don't be fooled (AD Danny White) into buying the hype. Be very leery of hiring TElliott for our next coach. I have no doubt Tony is a very good man and a very good position coach, but you will get no do-overs in this choice i'm afraid. You looked at Elliott once for the UCF job and decided no. Nothing has changed in TElliott's real resume since that interview. These rumors of interest by different pro teams is just that....rumors. Its part of the Hype Train. Heck, I'd take a shot with Troy Walters current OC at UCF over Elliott - at least Troy Walters is a real OC!

Got to get it RIGHT this time !

 

[TheFlash1971]

Tony Elliott is the "sexy choice" based on the media and others crooning for him to get his chance. He has been "mentioned" with such lofty jobs as Titans OC and Seattle OC slots as well as others over the past couple of years. But how much of this is really validated (and how much is this coming from word of mouth or his own agent pushing his client)? Please look at his record and find one piece of data that suggests he will be even modestly successful as a Power 5 head coach? He was given the titular role of CO-OC after 2015 at Clemson. Chad Morris who had been CO-OC from 2011-14 at Clemson went on to SMU where he had marginal success (yes, I know it was 3 years SMU where he went 14-22) and then was hired as HC at Ark. where he set a school record for 10 losses and was summarily fired in his 2nd year. Elliott's CO-OC from 2015-2019 was Jeff Scott (former coach Brad Scott's son at SC). He has gone on to post a 1-8 season at USFla for his first year as HC. He is under some heat and had to make wholesale changes to coaching staff to keep his slot. If you look closely, you'll see Dabo Swinney with a clipboard in every game since .....forever? Yes, its because HE - Dabo - is calling the plays. Even in 2020 Swinney called the plays. Tony Elliott is the RB coach at Clemson just like Morris was the QB coach just like Scott was the WR coach. They were given the title of CO-OC for resume purposes and NOT to run the offense. NOTHING here suggests that any of these 3 guys - Chad Morris, Jeff Scott, or TONY ELLIOTT are destined for HC success. DABO SWINNEY is the OC at Clemson. Don't be fooled (AD Danny White) into buying the hype. Be very leery of hiring TElliott for our next coach. I have no doubt Tony is a very good man and a very good position coach, but you will get no do-overs in this choice i'm afraid. You looked at Elliott once for the UCF job and decided no. Nothing has changed in TElliott's real resume since that interview. These rumors of interest by different pro teams is just that....rumors. Its part of the Hype Train. Heck, I'd take a shot with Troy Walters current OC at UCF over Elliott - at least Troy Walters is a real OC!

Got to get it RIGHT this time !

Ditto, this is NOT the guy we want.

 

[CobbVol]

Debunked ... 2015 Clemson article

Without further ado, let me put some of these questions and fears to rest: Tony Elliott calls all plays for the Clemson offense. How do I know that? When the two were announced as co-coordinators, Dabo, Scott, and Elliott all said as much in very plain language. On Sunday, Dec. 7th, just days after making the announcement that Scott and Elliott would be co-coordinators, Dabo announced that Tony Elliott would be calling plays. A few days later, in a joint press conference, Elliott discussed how he plans on calling the plays and managing the game. Scott went on to joke that he proposed they divide the play calling duties so that he could call first and second downs and Elliott could call third and fourth downs, but ends by saying that, "We figured this [Tony calling plays] was probably the best way." Tony Elliott was announced as the play caller almost immediately by Dabo. Tony and Jeff have both, consistently, confirmed that Elliott is the one calling the plays. There has been nothing said by anyone directly associated with Clemson to the contrary, so we have every reason to believe that Tony Elliott is the one calling plays for the Clemson Tiger offense. If it's really that straight forward, why has there been so much confusion?

 

[LittleVol]

Tony Elliott is the "sexy choice" based on the media and others crooning for him to get his chance. He has been "mentioned" with such lofty jobs as Titans OC and Seattle OC slots as well as others over the past couple of years. But how much of this is really validated (and how much is this coming from word of mouth or his own agent pushing his client)? Please look at his record and find one piece of data that suggests he will be even modestly successful as a Power 5 head coach? He was given the titular role of CO-OC after 2015 at Clemson. Chad Morris who had been CO-OC from 2011-14 at Clemson went on to SMU where he had marginal success (yes, I know it was 3 years SMU where he went 14-22) and then was hired as HC at Ark. where he set a school record for 10 losses and was summarily fired in his 2nd year. Elliott's CO-OC from 2015-2019 was Jeff Scott (former coach Brad Scott's son at SC). He has gone on to post a 1-8 season at USFla for his first year as HC. He is under some heat and had to make wholesale changes to coaching staff to keep his slot. If you look closely, you'll see Dabo Swinney with a clipboard in every game since .....forever? Yes, its because HE - Dabo - is calling the plays. Even in 2020 Swinney called the plays. Tony Elliott is the RB coach at Clemson just like Morris was the QB coach just like Scott was the WR coach. They were given the title of CO-OC for resume purposes and NOT to run the offense. NOTHING here suggests that any of these 3 guys - Chad Morris, Jeff Scott, or TONY ELLIOTT are destined for HC success. DABO SWINNEY is the OC at Clemson. Don't be fooled (AD Danny White) into buying the hype. Be very leery of hiring TElliott for our next coach. I have no doubt Tony is a very good man and a very good position coach, but you will get no do-overs in this choice i'm afraid. You looked at Elliott once for the UCF job and decided no. Nothing has changed in TElliott's real resume since that interview. These rumors of interest by different pro teams is just that....rumors. Its part of the Hype Train. Heck, I'd take a shot with Troy Walters current OC at UCF over Elliott - at least Troy Walters is a real OC!

Got to get it RIGHT this time !

He's not Chad Morris.
He's his own dude.

There's a lot of seasoned Head Coaches out there that we can get. Doesn't mean you have to try and diminish brotha Elliot's accomplishments- which are many.

 

[tennesseeduke]

Debunked ... 2015 Clemson article

Without further ado, let me put some of these questions and fears to rest: Tony Elliott calls all plays for the Clemson offense. How do I know that? When the two were announced as co-coordinators, Dabo, Scott, and Elliott all said as much in very plain language. On Sunday, Dec. 7th, just days after making the announcement that Scott and Elliott would be co-coordinators, Dabo announced that Tony Elliott would be calling plays. A few days later, in a joint press conference, Elliott discussed how he plans on calling the plays and managing the game. Scott went on to joke that he proposed they divide the play calling duties so that he could call first and second downs and Elliott could call third and fourth downs, but ends by saying that, "We figured this [Tony calling plays] was probably the best way." Tony Elliott was announced as the play caller almost immediately by Dabo. Tony and Jeff have both, consistently, confirmed that Elliott is the one calling the plays. There has been nothing said by anyone directly associated with Clemson to the contrary, so we have every reason to believe that Tony Elliott is the one calling plays for the Clemson Tiger offense. If it's really that straight forward, why has there been so much confusion?

Thank you as you beat me to the response!

 

[Hacksaw]

No more OJT projects, please. That was my biggest concern with Pruitt and there's no reason to make the same mistake twice.

 

[GrizzlyVol]

Ditto, this is NOT the guy we want.

Dont put we, I'd love to have coach Elliot he'd be a great hire, he knows what he's doing

 

[DaddyChad]

Elliott wouldn’t be my first pick but we don’t know how many ppl have said no to the job. At some point maybe he does become the best available. I think the search is just kicking off properly at this point.

 

[hillsborovol]

Almost all of the "available" head coaches either are labeled as having baggage, been fired, haven't coached a P5, and/or have mediocre records. We have eliminated just about everyone.

If anyone believes that Elliott didn't call plays, then WTH happened when Elliott was quarantined and Dabo had to call them against OSU? Evidence sure points to Elliott as being the play caller.

I still think Kiffin would win earlier than just about anyone on the list. Let's keep Steele and his choices for defensive coaches.

 

[The Original Fade]

Pruitt was the DC for high profile, championship winning programs who many said deserved his shot at HC for a SEC program

Elliott is the OC for a high profile, championship winning program who many are saying deserves his shot at HC for an SEC program.

Its a hard NO for me. Let him try head coaching at a group of 5 school before handing him the keys to a SEC program trying to rebuild against the likes of Mullen, Smart, and Jimbo

 

[i2amavol]

Tony Elliott is the "sexy choice" based on the media and others crooning for him to get his chance. He has been "mentioned" with such lofty jobs as Titans OC and Seattle OC slots as well as others over the past couple of years. But how much of this is really validated (and how much is this coming from word of mouth or his own agent pushing his client)? Please look at his record and find one piece of data that suggests he will be even modestly successful as a Power 5 head coach? He was given the titular role of CO-OC after 2015 at Clemson. Chad Morris who had been CO-OC from 2011-14 at Clemson went on to SMU where he had marginal success (yes, I know it was 3 years SMU where he went 14-22) and then was hired as HC at Ark. where he set a school record for 10 losses and was summarily fired in his 2nd year. Elliott's CO-OC from 2015-2019 was Jeff Scott (former coach Brad Scott's son at SC). He has gone on to post a 1-8 season at USFla for his first year as HC. He is under some heat and had to make wholesale changes to coaching staff to keep his slot. If you look closely, you'll see Dabo Swinney with a clipboard in every game since .....forever? Yes, its because HE - Dabo - is calling the plays. Even in 2020 Swinney called the plays. Tony Elliott is the RB coach at Clemson just like Morris was the QB coach just like Scott was the WR coach. They were given the title of CO-OC for resume purposes and NOT to run the offense. NOTHING here suggests that any of these 3 guys - Chad Morris, Jeff Scott, or TONY ELLIOTT are destined for HC success. DABO SWINNEY is the OC at Clemson. Don't be fooled (AD Danny White) into buying the hype. Be very leery of hiring TElliott for our next coach. I have no doubt Tony is a very good man and a very good position coach, but you will get no do-overs in this choice i'm afraid. You looked at Elliott once for the UCF job and decided no. Nothing has changed in TElliott's real resume since that interview. These rumors of interest by different pro teams is just that....rumors. Its part of the Hype Train. Heck, I'd take a shot with Troy Walters current OC at UCF over Elliott - at least Troy Walters is a real OC!

Got to get it RIGHT this time !

OK, you may just be wrong, but I was already on the fence about him. He is officially down the list for me.

 

[Hbd10]

You named two random ass OC’s and that’s suppose to mean Elliot is destined to suck? Maybe he does or maybe he doesn’t but the examples you gave about other coaches doesn’t do it for me. Sorry you typed that super long message and didn’t really get a point across.

You could have simply said, “ other assistants have sucked before” and that would have been the same point as typing the story you typed.

If Danny wants Elliot, I want Elliot. #indannyitrust

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

As I mentioned earlier, this could be a 3 dimensional chess hire. I'm not saying I hope it happens because I'd prefer not to take a chance on another coordinator myself but hiring an African American at a big time old southern school is smart on several fronts given our current situation. First, it would score major woke points with the NCAA and second with the sports media, particularly ESPN, at a time we really need both. Finally, it also would be a real recruiting advantage, at least initially. I don't like the PC stuff as a rule but only a fool doesn't recognize it exists and calculate accordingly.

Besides Elliot may turn out to be a great HC. If that's who White wants, that's what you hired White for. The boosters shouldn't meddle, that's been a huge part of the reason we've been in the toilet for 20 years anyway. The black eye the fanbase would receive if Vol Twitter Schiano'd an Elliot hire would probably be fatal, the final nail in the program's coffin.

 

[Volbrando]

As I mentioned earlier, this could be a 3 dimensional chess hire. I'm not saying I hope it happens because I'd prefer not to take a chance on another coordinator either but hiring an African American at a big time old southern school is smart on several fronts given our current situation. First, it would score major woke points with the NCAA and second with the sports media, particularly ESPN, at a time we really need both. Finally, it also would be a real recruiting advantage, at least initially. I don't like the PC stuff as a rule but only a fool doesn't recognize it exists and calculate accordingly.

Besides Elliot may turn out to be a great HC. If that's who White wants, that's what you hired White for. The boosters shouldn't meddle, that's been a huge part of the reason we've been in the toilet for 20 years anyway. The black eye the fanbase would receive if Vol Twitter Schiano'd an Elliot hire would probably be fatal.

If vol Twitter revolts against whoever the hire is this time we might as well shut down the program because attracting a coach then would be almost impossible

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

Yay...

 

[LittleVol]

Pruitt was the DC for high profile, championship winning programs who many said deserved his shot at HC for a SEC program

Elliott is the OC for a high profile, championship winning program who many are saying deserves his shot at HC for an SEC program.

Its a hard NO for me. Let him try head coaching at a group of 5 school before handing him the keys to a SEC program trying to rebuild against the likes of Mullen, Smart, and Jimbo

Listen to Pruitt talk and then Elliot and tell me they are the same.

There's a huge difference in..."potential " there.

 

[supersmo18]

I’m not stating pros or cons about hiring him, but here is a clip of a conversation I just had with a co-worker who used to be a HC of another sport at Clemson just a few years ago, knows Dabo and Tony and all those guys very well. Just something more to add to the conversation because of all of our own speculations:

 

[tnutater]

As I mentioned earlier, this could be a 3 dimensional chess hire. I'm not saying I hope it happens because I'd prefer not to take a chance on another coordinator myself but hiring an African American at a big time old southern school is smart on several fronts given our current situation. First, it would score major woke points with the NCAA and second with the sports media, particularly ESPN, at a time we really need both. Finally, it also would be a real recruiting advantage, at least initially. I don't like the PC stuff as a rule but only a fool doesn't recognize it exists and calculate accordingly.

Besides Elliot may turn out to be a great HC. If that's who White wants, that's what you hired White for. The boosters shouldn't meddle, that's been a huge part of the reason we've been in the toilet for 20 years anyway. The black eye the fanbase would receive if Vol Twitter Schiano'd an Elliot hire would probably be fatal, the final nail in the program's coffin.

Do you honestly think the boosters will have no say?
Do you honestly think that they did not pick White?

 

[BearCat204]

Pruitt was the DC for high profile, championship winning programs who many said deserved his shot at HC for a SEC program

Elliott is the OC for a high profile, championship winning program who many are saying deserves his shot at HC for an SEC program.

Its a hard NO for me. Let him try head coaching at a group of 5 school before handing him the keys to a SEC program trying to rebuild against the likes of Mullen, Smart, and Jimbo

Sure about that? I wasnt aware that he was approached by anyone on any level for HC jobs. Could just not remembered any

 

[JBVolunteer]

These attention seeking social media guys trying to link Elliott and any other name to this job are knowingly poking this rabid fanbase with a stick just hoping for clicks and viral reactions.

It’s best to not trust anything until verified, be patient and let the process play out.

 

[GolfvolSC]

Tony Elliott is the "sexy choice" based on the media and others crooning for him to get his chance. He has been "mentioned" with such lofty jobs as Titans OC and Seattle OC slots as well as others over the past couple of years. But how much of this is really validated (and how much is this coming from word of mouth or his own agent pushing his client)? Please look at his record and find one piece of data that suggests he will be even modestly successful as a Power 5 head coach? He was given the titular role of CO-OC after 2015 at Clemson. Chad Morris who had been CO-OC from 2011-14 at Clemson went on to SMU where he had marginal success (yes, I know it was 3 years SMU where he went 14-22) and then was hired as HC at Ark. where he set a school record for 10 losses and was summarily fired in his 2nd year. Elliott's CO-OC from 2015-2019 was Jeff Scott (former coach Brad Scott's son at SC). He has gone on to post a 1-8 season at USFla for his first year as HC. He is under some heat and had to make wholesale changes to coaching staff to keep his slot. If you look closely, you'll see Dabo Swinney with a clipboard in every game since .....forever? Yes, its because HE - Dabo - is calling the plays. Even in 2020 Swinney called the plays. Tony Elliott is the RB coach at Clemson just like Morris was the QB coach just like Scott was the WR coach. They were given the title of CO-OC for resume purposes and NOT to run the offense. NOTHING here suggests that any of these 3 guys - Chad Morris, Jeff Scott, or TONY ELLIOTT are destined for HC success. DABO SWINNEY is the OC at Clemson. Don't be fooled (AD Danny White) into buying the hype. Be very leery of hiring TElliott for our next coach. I have no doubt Tony is a very good man and a very good position coach, but you will get no do-overs in this choice i'm afraid. You looked at Elliott once for the UCF job and decided no. Nothing has changed in TElliott's real resume since that interview. These rumors of interest by different pro teams is just that....rumors. Its part of the Hype Train. Heck, I'd take a shot with Troy Walters current OC at UCF over Elliott - at least Troy Walters is a real OC!

Got to get it RIGHT this time !

 

[The Original Fade]

If vol Twitter revolts against whoever the hire is this time we might as well shut down the program because attracting a coach then would be almost impossible

White has already made it clear he couldn’t care less about what we think

 

[CobbVol]

Why in the hell would be me if the best AD’s in the country go hire a Clemson OC to rebuild an SEC program with no head coaching experience? He wasn’t good enough to be the head coach of UCF after Frost left.

It’s like wiping you butt first before you take a huge dump....it makes ZERO sense.

Heupel was hired after Elliott said no.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Do you honestly think the boosters will have no say?
Do you honestly think that they did not pick White?

We have had major dysfunction within our administration for years with too much booster influence and warring factions. Not all schools are like UT and Auburn in this regard. It's well known that Saban insisted that boosters, particularly Bryant, Jr. GTFO as a condition of taking the job. A similar separation of church and state needs to occur at UT if we are to have a prayer of changing things for the better.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

If vol Twitter revolts against whoever the hire is this time we might as well shut down the program because attracting a coach then would be almost impossible

I am guessing they don't hire someone tangentially associated with a child rapist scandal this go around.