A church/state issue?

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Grand Vol said:
Not taking his side here, but if the adhan is supposedly noisy, the same argument will be made for Christian church bells.

People need to be careful not to make waves and think things through logically before jumping into the mix.

ETA: I do agree though, the adhan is annoying.
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Good post GV.

I made a post in anterior thread a few weeks ago that applies here and goes along with what you are saying.

Christians need to be careful what they wish for. If the government can make religion A illegal it can also make religion B illegal.

I personally see no difference legally in allowing Muslims to have their call for prayer vs Christian Church bells. As others have said, if anything this is a noise ordinance issue.
 
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hog88 said:
It's a noise ordinance issue. If the city council is making an exception to the ordinance for the call to prayers then any affected resident should have a slam dunk case in court.

If the ordinance doesn't cover this, then the city isn't really in the wrong.
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Agree hog. good post
 
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Gramps said:
Good post GV.

I made a post in anterior thread a few weeks ago that applies here and goes along with what you are saying.

Christians need to be careful what they wish for. If the government can make religion A illegal it can also make religion B illegal.

I personally see no difference legally in allowing Muslims to have their call for prayer vs Christian Church bells. As others have said, if anything this is a noise ordinance issue.
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Biggest thing I can see, and something I've been a part of is the level of sound coming from the mosque. Sometimes it's not a big deal, but other times it's rattling your eardrums. If the traditional adhan is being played at a high level, yes, someone has a gripe. Otherwise, it's simple whining.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Your ignorance is astounding. I stand up for myself constantly, but I am able to objectively analyze different situations.
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Got a large islamic center "near" where I live in Orlando. It's large Branch Dividian-esque compound. They don't do the stupid blaring prayer calls; no one has a problem.

Have you even been to a place that does the prayer call? It's as about as antiquated as a stoning people to death for adultery. Oh wait, bad example when talking about Islam. It's about as antiquated as honor killing your daughter for premaritial sex. Oh dang I did it again. It's um, about as antiquated as using a sexton to navigate on the open water in a Norse Narr while seeking the rainbow bridge to Valhalla.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Got a large islamic center "near" where I live in Orlando. It's large Branch Dividian-esque compound. They don't do the stupid blaring prayer calls; no one has a problem.

Have you even been to a place that does the prayer call? It's as about as antiquated as a stoning people to death for adultery. Oh wait, bad example when talking about Islam. It's about as antiquated as honor killing your daughter for premaritial sex. Oh dang I did it again. It's um, about as antiquated as using a sexton to navigate on the open water in a Norse Narr while seeking the rainbow bridge to Valhalla.
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I hear church bells ring everywhere. It's also antiquated and unnecessary. I've got a watch, but the bells are culturally acceptable because I am accustomed to their sound.

To everyone worried about the impending Muslim invasion... you realize that IF (big if) your worst fears come to fruition... the atheists, agnostics, jews and all those other people you feel are coddled will be coming to your aid. Strange bedfellows and all.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I hear church bells ring everywhere. It's also antiquated and unnecessary. I've got a watch, but the bells are culturally acceptable because I am accustomed to their sound.

To everyone worried about the impending Muslim invasion... you realize that IF (big if) your worst fears come to fruition... the atheists, agnostics, jews and all those other people you feel are coddled will be coming to your aid. Strange bedfellows and all.
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Again, huge difference in bells and a call to prayer. And where do you live that you hear church bells? Here in Knoxville I can't think of the last time I heard one.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I hear church bells ring everywhere. It's also antiquated and unnecessary. I've got a watch, but the bells are culturally acceptable because I am accustomed to their sound.

To everyone worried about the impending Muslim invasion... you realize that IF (big if) your worst fears come to fruition... the atheists, agnostics, jews and all those other people you feel are coddled will be coming to your aid. Strange bedfellows and all.
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You probably just got a bad case of tinnitus.
 
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davethevol said:
Again, huge difference in bells and a call to prayer. And where do you live that you hear church bells? Here in Knoxville I can't think of the last time I heard one.
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I've heard more muslim prayer calls than church bells over the last 25 years. I think the last church bell I heard was at Church Street Methodist in the early 90's. Hell I've heard more friday noon tornado warning sirens than church bells over my entire life.
 
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davethevol said:
Again, huge difference in bells and a call to prayer. And where do you live that you hear church bells? Here in Knoxville I can't think of the last time I heard one.
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I know First Baptist on Main is still clanging away and I haven't lived in the city for 20 years.

And what is the huge difference?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Got a large islamic center "near" where I live in Orlando. It's large Branch Dividian-esque compound. They don't do the stupid blaring prayer calls; no one has a problem.

Have you even been to a place that does the prayer call? It's as about as antiquated as a stoning people to death for adultery. Oh wait, bad example when talking about Islam. It's about as antiquated as honor killing your daughter for premaritial sex. Oh dang I did it again. It's um, about as antiquated as using a sexton to navigate on the open water in a Norse Narr while seeking the rainbow bridge to Valhalla.
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Pretty sure the Vikings weren't Muslim.

Thor would have shoved a lightning bolt up their ass.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You do realize that other cultures have immigrated to this country and done precisely the same thing? Ever heard of Chinatown, Koreatown, Little Italy, etc. Hell the town this story is about was Little Warsaw. More fear mongering crap...
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Are there calls to prayers belting out over loudspeakers in little Italy? Did you read the legitimate concerns of non Muslim citizens in the town? The call to prayers and the no booze within 500 feet of the mosque are just the beginning. Their aim will be to replace the current peoples and culture with their own. Immigrants of old wanted to become part of their new country, not change it in the old countries image.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I hear church bells ring everywhere. It's also antiquated and unnecessary. I've got a watch, but the bells are culturally acceptable because I am accustomed to their sound.

To everyone worried about the impending Muslim invasion... you realize that IF (big if) your worst fears come to fruition... the atheists, agnostics, jews and all those other people you feel are coddled will be coming to your aid. Strange bedfellows and all.
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You hear church bells before 8am?
 
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Tension: Barbara Zielinska, 60, is unsettled by groups of young Arab men congregating late at night. 'We have an invasion of Muslims here now,' she said. 'I'm not afraid to say what needs to be said. '

I guess she is just a fear monger, right Clearwater? Or since she is 60 and white her opinion does not count. Oh and there is no ISIS or threat of terrorism from Islamic countries. Nope, none, never.

Inside Hamtramck, America's only Muslim-majority city, where the call to prayer echoes in the streets - and Syrian refugees are welcomed in defiance of the governor | Daily Mail Online
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
The call to prayer should absolutely not be happening and fall under noise related ordinances.

You're in America. You don't need someone screeching from a tower to remind you its time to prayer because your sun dial is on the fritz..



Yes you schmuck loud music all night while you are sleeping is noise. File a complaint.
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Several of our local churches broadcast music, chimes or bells at various times during the day and evening. Sunday mornings are a particularly noisy time as many churches ring their bells prior to services. So if we ban the Muslim call to prayer, shouldn't we ban these as well?

The city also broadcasts holiday music over the loudspeakers down town, plus we have an annual Factory Whistle Concert every year. Should these go away as well?
 
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gasguy98 said:
Are there calls to prayers belting out over loudspeakers in little Italy? Did you read the legitimate concerns of non Muslim citizens in the town? The call to prayers and the no booze within 500 feet of the mosque are just the beginning. Their aim will be to replace the current peoples and culture with their own. Immigrants of old wanted to become part of their new country, not change it in the old countries image.
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We have an ordinance in my town that no alcohol can be sold with x feet of a church , park or recreational park. We have had it for years, no big deal.
 
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YorkVol said:
Several of our local churches broadcast music, chimes or bells at various times during the day and evening. Sunday mornings are a particularly noisy time as many churches ring their bells prior to services. So if we ban the Muslim call to prayer, shouldn't we ban these as well?

The city also broadcasts holiday music over the loudspeakers down town, plus we have an annual Factory Whistle Concert every year. Should these go away as well?
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I'm actually surprised it hasn't been attempted yet. Don't want to force liberals to listen to what they find offensive ya know. My feelings don't matter. I think the churches should ring the bells along with the caterwalling
as well in the name of competition. Islam is the problem here
 
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YorkVol said:
Several of our local churches broadcast music, chimes or bells at various times during the day and evening. Sunday mornings are a particularly noisy time as many churches ring their bells prior to services. So if we ban the Muslim call to prayer, shouldn't we ban these as well?

The city also broadcasts holiday music over the loudspeakers down town, plus we have an annual Factory Whistle Concert every year. Should these go away as well?
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I bet that if those church bells were clanging away around 6am 7 days per week it would have lasted 1 week.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Are there calls to prayers belting out over loudspeakers in little Italy? Did you read the legitimate concerns of non Muslim citizens in the town? The call to prayers and the no booze within 500 feet of the mosque are just the beginning. Their aim will be to replace the current peoples and culture with their own. Immigrants of old wanted to become part of their new country, not change it in the old countries image.
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Your objection seems to be primarily religious in nature.

Again, the call to prayers is really no different than church bells. As to the liquor license issue, if mosques are being treated differently than other religious buildings then the lawsuit is an easy win.

Are you seriously telling me that Chinatown, Koreatown, Little Italy were fueled by a strong desire to assimilate? You are better than that. Why aren't you gung ho against the Quakers, the Orthodox Jewish Communities and numerous others that have taken over areas and live without a desire to assimilate into the mainstream.
 
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