50 dead, 40+ wounded in nightclub attack in Florida

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Then you'll be able to provide a link. Killing their clientele and folks under their watch isn't very good for business.

The mafia movies has tarnished the real mafia.
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It's not even worth the time to try to argue with you about it. You know it's true and I'll leave it at that.
 
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I'm not trying to make this an attack on police. But, police don't keep us secure. They arrest or kill criminals. The Governor down there is referring every other question to law enforcement like law enforcement is the answer. Law enforcement isn't the answer. Disarming the citizenry isn't the answer.
 
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There is only one way to defeat an ideology. That is the real war. It IS a war on the radical ideology of ISLAM. Only PC liberals are afraid to say that and they're ruining the country.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Sure there are. Start information sharing from the Federal level on down. If this man popped up on the FBI's radar a couple of years ago, that information should have been shared down to the State and local level.

San Bernardino information should have been shared.

The Boston Marathon info should have been shared.

Stop the nonsense that profiling individuals based on their suspected links with terrorism is a bad thing. Or worse, "anti-Islamic." Perhaps this wouldn't have been prevented, but at least someone has their eye on said individual.
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Here's the trade-off I advocate. If one is placed on some watch list and is a citizen they cannot be deprived of due process which means they must be aware of their presence on said list; at least when such presence prevents something (firearm purchase, security clearance, etc.)

I realize that hampers investigation but if the government assumes me guilty of something to the extent it hampers my freedom I must be made aware so I can challenge the designation.
 
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Sandvol said:
I'm not trying to make this an attack on police. But, police don't keep us secure. They arrest or kill criminals. The Governor down there is referring every other question to law enforcement like law enforcement is the answer. Law enforcement isn't the answer. Disarming the citizenry isn't the answer.
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Agreed. Law enforcement stopped this from getting any worse. But, they're not going to stop these from happening.
 
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Initial reactions from the Presidential candidates:

Clinton, Trump, Sanders react to Orlando nightclub massacre; Obama briefed | Fox News

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump responded Sunday to the mass shooting early Sunday at a Florida nightclub in which dozens were killed or wounded.

"Horrific incident in FL. Praying for all the victims & their families. When will this stop? When will we get tough, smart & vigilant?" tweeted Trump, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee.

Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee, posted on her Twitter feed: “Woke up to hear the devastating news from FL. As we wait for more information, my thoughts are with those affected by this horrific act. -- H"

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., tweeted: “It’s horrific. It’s unthinkable.”
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volinbham said:
Here's the trade-off I advocate. If one is placed on some watch list and is a citizen they cannot be deprived of due process which means they must be aware of their presence on said list; at least when such presence prevents something (firearm purchase, security clearance, etc.)

I realize that hampers investigation but if the government assumes me guilty of something to the extent it hampers my freedom I must be made aware so I can challenge the designation.
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Agree. But at the same time, the information needs to be put out at all levels rather than being horded at the Federal side.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Agree. But at the same time, the information needs to be put out at all levels rather than being horded at the Federal side.
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I'm with that - if 9/11 taught us anything these walls between LE agencies do much more harm than good.

Just let me know if I'm on the list so I can contest it.
 
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volinbham said:
which part?

the sharing of info between agencies?

FBI already investigates people and puts them on watch lists - I'm advocating a mechanism for someone to know if they are on such lists.
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The part where you want to be informed of being on a list. Then having to prove your innocence. The potential for abuse is off the charts.
 
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