3rd Highest Paid Coach in the Country...

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landscapingvol said:
Because even though Barnes is in the top three in basketball it wouldn’t be in the top 10 in football. Saban, Fisher, and Harbaugh make well above 6 million dollars. UT either doesn’t have or isn’t willing to pay that kind of money.
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They are paying an offensive coordinator $1.5 million per year... the board of trustees has approved a $340 million renovation of Neyland Stadium. They have the money and would pay it to an established head coach... they simply can't get anyone to take it. They offered Mike Gundy that kind of money.
 
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Maybe this is obvious, but no one wants to coach here. Have we forgotten the coaching search? I thought of applying..... geezz.
 
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utvols12 said:
Maybe this is obvious, but no one wants to coach here. Have we forgotten the coaching search? I thought of applying..... geezz.
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Dave Doeren of NC State wanted the job but was afraid of how he would be received by the fan base. Mike Leach wanted the job but the administration no longer trusted Currie to make the hire and of course, Greg Schiano wanted the job...
 
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We could all hold our collective nose and offer the bank to Urban Meyer if winning is what matters most.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Dave Doeren of NC State wanted the job but was afraid of how he would be received by the fan base. Mike Leach wanted the job but the administration no longer trusted Currie to make the hire and of course, Greg Schiano wanted the job...
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None of those coaches you named are 6-7 million dollar coaches. They are what we got....4 mil. and a bunch of hope that hasn't materialized yet. People arent lining up to hire any of those guys you named. Ask Schiano..... he will fill you in.
 
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I agree with the op. The way to get our program back on track is to throw a ton of money at a proven commodity. And there are 2 available. Of the 2...far and away my choice would be meyer. He’s one of the best to ever do it. If we absolutely sold out to get him I think it would happen. It would take a lot of money but even more than that...we’d need a passionate leader that would sell him on Tennessee being the ultimate place to come redeem himself and solidify his status as one of the best. If he could add a third championship (at a third school)...he’d have a legitimate argument as the best coach alive. But again...it’ll take fulmer making huge moves. He’d have to have the kahunas to go to all the behind the scenes power brokers to get them on board with replacing Pruitt and approving the money, and then go aggressively sell TN to Meyer. It could happen.
 
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utvols12 said:
None of those coaches you named are 6-7 million dollar coaches. They are what we got....4 mil. and a bunch of hope that hasn't materialized yet. People arent lining up to hire any of those guys you named. Ask Schiano..... he will fill you in.
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I mentioned them because those are the coaches we talked to...
 
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I look at this and see hope. Maybe now Tennessee is willing to pony up, whenever they have to look for a new coach.
 
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KeyVol14 said:
You actually believe this
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100%. I love the Big Orange but it's 100% true. We keep looking for the "next big coach" and here is a newsflash..... he isn't coming to Knoxville. We need to ride with Pruitt and see what happens in the next year or two. Today was his 16th game. The team was a dumpster fire when he got it. Give him a chance. We wont get a 6-7 mil. coach. bank it.....
 
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revjayp said:
... is Rick Barnes.

The thing that baffles me is we made a .500 winning % basketball coach whose only made it to 1 Final 4 in 25 years and couldn’t get out of the sweet 16 with the best TN team ever THE 3RD HIGHEST paid coach in the country! 😳 and that’s BASKETBALL. That’s like paying a football coach 6-7 mil a year. I don’t understand why TN won’t pay FOOTBALL coaches big dollars seeing how it’s the highest revenue sport. Smh...
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We're paying him 4 million dollars a year to learn on the job, and we've promised him 10 million more if it turns out he's not any good. So, we should spend more?
 
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Well i will say at least we've seen that Ric Barnes can coach.. Pruitt on the other hand is looking more and more like a guy that put himself in good situations as far as players. I've yet to see this defensive guru we supposedly hired.
 
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revjayp said:
... is Rick Barnes.

The thing that baffles me is we made a .500 winning % basketball coach whose only made it to 1 Final 4 in 25 years and couldn’t get out of the sweet 16 with the best TN team ever THE 3RD HIGHEST paid coach in the country! 😳 and that’s BASKETBALL. That’s like paying a football coach 6-7 mil a year. I don’t understand why TN won’t pay FOOTBALL coaches big dollars seeing how it’s the highest revenue sport. Smh...
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We just got our a$$ handed to us, and you want to draw some mindblowing parallel between that and Rick Barnes being overpaid?!? What world do you live in? Rick Barnes is currently the lone saving grace of our athletic department. In all seriousness, we have the absolute dumbest fanbase in all of sports. No other school is supported by the level of ignorance that ours is, and so boldly.
 
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cncchris33 said:
We just got our a$$ handed to us, and you want to draw some mindblowing parallel between that and Rick Barnes being overpaid?!? What world do you live in? Rick Barnes is currently the lone saving grace of our athletic department. In all seriousness, we have the absolute dumbest fanbase in all of sports. No other school is supported by the level of ignorance that ours is, and so boldly.
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Why is my post so hard to grasp?

If you read with any level of middle school comprehension, you’d see the parallel is regarding the willingness TN has to pay top dollar for coaches. We’re doing it for basketball but not for our #1 revenue generator. Following okay? I’ll pause for you...

People have argued we won’t pay good money for a coach and I’m saying that’s not true-we just did it in basketball. I’m baffled as to why haven’t done it in football over the past 10 years. Make sense now?
 
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It’s my understanding we have offered lots of money to proven coaches and been turned down repeatedly.

I don’t blame Fulmer for Pruitt. I think he took what appeared to be the best coordinator he could get because no HCs wanted to be a part of this chitt show. Unfortunately it’s turned out Pruitt is in over his head.
 
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revjayp said:
Why is my post so hard to grasp?

If you read with any level of middle school comprehension, you’d see the parallel is regarding the willingness TN has to pay top dollar for coaches. We’re doing it for basketball but not for our #1 revenue generator. Following okay? I’ll pause for you...

People have argued we won’t pay good money for a coach and I’m saying that’s not true-we just did it in basketball. I’m baffled as to why haven’t done it in football over the past 10 years. Make sense now?
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No, I got it. Just not sure why you used the opportunity to take a shot at the one good thing our AD has going, right now.

Maybe you don't see it that way, but that is how it comes off by listing all of his shortcomings as what seems like reasoning to justify the idea he is overpaid or doesn't deserve his salary.

Other than that, I agree with your overall point that we seemingly refuse to pay upfront for football success. We hire from the bargain bin and then wait to reward them after success, but that has been the case for basketball, too. Barnes was a slight exception, but the $2 million we paid him upfront wasn't exorbitant. It wasn't until he experienced high level success and a possible exit to UCLA did we reward him handsomely. Same with Pearl 12 years ago. We keep hoping to find the football version of Bruce Pearl from the bargain bin.
 
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cncchris33 said:
No, I got it. Just not sure why you used the opportunity to take a shot at the one good thing our AD has going, right now.

Maybe you don't see it that way, but that is how it comes off by listing all of his shortcomings as what seems like reasoning to justify the idea he is overpaid or doesn't deserve his salary.

Other than that, I agree with your overall point that we seemingly refuse to pay upfront for football success. We hire from the bargain bin and then wait to reward them after success, but that has been the case for basketball, too. Barnes was a slight exception, but the $2 million we paid him upfront wasn't exorbitant. It wasn't until he experienced high level success and a possible exit to UCLA did we reward him handsomely. Same with Pearl 12 years ago. We keep hoping to find the football version of Bruce Pearl from the bargain bin.
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Taking a shot would be some kind of personal attack. I’m stating facts. He’s a really good coach, great leader of men, great player developer and I’m glad we have him. But he’s also underachieved in the tournament his whole career. He’s barely above .500 with 1 final 4 appearance. Yet we made him the 3rd highest paid basketball coach in the country. So then, our football program is a top 10 program all time and we pay our HC’s like we’re a Sunbelt team. I don’t get that.
 
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revjayp said:
Why is my post so hard to grasp?
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As I read through the responses (reactions) to your OP, I'm sympathizing with you, brother.

If the rev in your screen name stands for Reverend, here's one way to answer the question: Your original post was like trying to conduct a thoughtful church business meeting 24 hours after the popular Min. of Music's resignation was requested and received by the lead pastor.

Many Vol posters are still attacking and venting on anything that doesn't immediately reflect what they are feeling. With the bye week, that means we'll have to wade through more of this 'til at least next weekend.

As for your original question, I'm guessing the answers might be found in a comparison of the operating budgets of the two programs (football and basketball) and what each program profits from ticket sales + TV money earned over the course of a season, including bowls and post-season.

I'm sure some VFL has looked at the analytics. There must be an "impact quotient" for measuring/comparing the program-value of coaches across the sports spectrum. But that would be my guess as to why the relative pay for Barnes vs a football HC. I'd bet a top tier basketball head coach has more impact on a program (and its revenues) than a top tier football coach--and there are many more of them. Consistently successful head coaches in football are relatively rare--and many of the consistently winning programs have never even sniffed a modern National Championship.
 
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revjayp said:
... is Rick Barnes.

The thing that baffles me is we paid him what we did yet his tournament record is barely above .500 and he’s only made 1 final 4 appearance in his career. I like Barnes a lot. Glad we have him and I think he’s a stand up guy. But he’s the HC of BASKETBALL. That’s like paying a football coach 6-7 mil a year. I don’t understand why TN won’t pay FOOTBALL coaches big dollars seeing how it’s the highest revenue sport. Smh...
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UT will pay that kind of money, but you can’t force a coach to say yes. Fit is everything.
Satterrfield was the guy I kept pitching during the search. You needed a guy with quality head coaching experience. The Memphis coach is showing he’s worth a shot.
 
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Roustabout said:
UT will pay that kind of money, but you can’t force a coach to say yes. Fit is everything.
Satterrfield was the guy I kept pitching during the search. You needed a guy with quality head coaching experience. The Memphis coach is showing he’s worth a shot.
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I like Norvell a lot. But someone said he had a major gambling problem? and we quickly turned away from him. I don’t know if that’s true but what he’s done there is impressive.
 
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