247: Vols' projected depth chart next season

[k-town_king]

They didn't ask him to do much. His pass to Keyton was NOT a well thrown ball. You can "stat" yourself numb but a well thrown ball goes for 6. Any QB on the 105 man roster could have thrown that TD pass to Byrd... most of the non-QB's could have thrown it. It was essentially a long hand off with some excellent blocks on the edge. Otherwise... the defense overcame his ineffectiveness.



According to SECstatcat, about 39% of JG's yds were after the catch. Tua and Jones were essentially reverse that. JG actually had the highest "air% in the SEC... likely because he failed on too many occasions to throw the ball where the receiver could make a play after the catch. That number would have been many times worse if JJ had not skewed it.

Air yard percentage literally tells how much of your yardage came through the air vs after the catch.

JG LEAD THE SEC IN AIR YARDAGE PERCENTAGE. So you are lying once again. He literally had the least yac among SEC qbs.

Tua -39.6% so 60% after the catch
Burrow -55.29% 45% after the catch
Secstatcat

 

[BeardedVol]

He did improve. we still couldn't run the ball. Not his fault. Was far from perfect. He did improve though. Run blocking not so much.

And what does any competent DC do when he goes up against a QB who is a poor passer? Stack the box and force the throw.

It's yet another reason why having a competent QB is so important, without being a consistent threat in passing, the run game is easily stifled since there's not need to cover if the QB isn't even thinking about throwing before 3 seconds has already passed.

 

[k-town_king]

And what does any competent DC do when he goes up against a QB who is a poor passer? Stack the box and force the throw.

It's yet another reason why having a competent QB is so important, without being a consistent threat in passing, the run game is easily stifled since there's not need to cover if the QB isn't even thinking about throwing before 3 seconds has already passed.

No d coordinator was stacking the box to stop our poor run game. No need to lie.

We had a competent qb. Teams tried to stop our pass game due to the lack of run game. He wasn't great at all. Definitely an ok SEC qb, just not a game breaker.

Some of you need to study a dictionary and a football for dummies book.

 

[sjt18]

I put the numbers. JG is leaps and bounds better than those guys.

Stats alone do not tell the story. But even on raw stats, JG has yet to have a season that comes close to Crompton's last year. JC threw almost as many TD's in one season as JG has in his career.

Dormady also started 5 games I think. He is much better than him as well.

Not even ball park close. The comparison has to be made within that season. The O moved and scored a lot more points behind Dormady.... Dormady at least tried to make timely decisions. He got rid of the ball and on occasion took some bad risks. He took 5 or 6 sacks. Behind the same OL, JG took over 30.... which goes a long way toward explaining why he could not move the O.

Sometimes JG holds the ball too long. We all agree on that. It is his biggest weakness. The changing of offense every year did have a part to play in that as well.

The offense didn't change every year. His first two years were in Jones' system. Both OC's ran Jones' system exactly the way Jones wanted it run. It was NOT the O. Dormady got the ball out on time. Dobbs got the ball out on time. Only JG couldn't process fast enough.

BM made lots of mistakes. Freshmen do. But both he and Shrout showed the ability to process faster than JG. Both held the ball considerably less time than JG. Both showed they could lead receivers with good consistency.

Both made mistakes of inexperience but showed the innate ability to anticipate throws. Sadly, that appears to be a fatal, innate weakness for JG. I don't want it to be that way. He does some things well. He looked good for 3 games last year. But it bit UT again vs VU and IU.

I said they knew what they are doing when they benched him too. We have had some bad red zone playcalling. There are times when we should have ran it more inside the redzone. We also had a ton of penalties down there that put us in bad down and distance.

No. JG executed VERY poorly in the red zone specifically because he does not process quickly or anticipate throws. Both of those are critical skills in the red zone.

 

[sjt18]

And what does any competent DC do when he goes up against a QB who is a poor passer? Stack the box and force the throw.

It's yet another reason why having a competent QB is so important, without being a consistent threat in passing, the run game is easily stifled since there's not need to cover if the QB isn't even thinking about throwing before 3 seconds has already passed.

The formula for JG is pretty simple. It is more surprising when good DC's like UK's don't get it than when they do.

JG is not going to read and throw quickly. He's going to throw late and will seldom lead a receiver open so you don't have to play ultra tight. You can play "soft" off the snap and read run first since he isn't going to hurt you with a quick read. You tighten more as the play develops... and often get him to check down to a manageable short throw.

 

[LittleVol]

So is Velus Jones just chopped liver

We'll find out soon...

 

[gemlek]

Pretty good overviews with projected starters listed below.

OFFENSE: Projecting Tennessee's way-too-early depth chart: Offense

• QB: Jarrett Guarantano
• RB: Eric Gray
• WR: Josh Palmer, Ramel Keyton, Brandon Johnson
• TE: Austin Pope
• OL: LT Wanya Morris, LG Trey Smith, C Brandon Kennedy, RG Cade Mays, RT Darnell Wright

DEFENSE: Projecting Tennessee's way-too-early depth chart: Defense

• DL: Aubrey Solomon, Emmit Gooden, Darel Middleton
• OLB: Kivon Bennett, Deandre Johnson
• ILB: Henry To'o To'o, Quavaris Crouch
• CB: Bryce Thompson, Alontae Taylor, Shawn Shamburger (star/nickelback)
• S: Jaylen McCollough, Trevon Flowers

Starting QB

 

[k-town_king]

@sjt18 let's not to forget to address your lie about yac.

JG is and was as a freshman better than Dormady. He passed the ball much better. Dormady took less sacks due to being older and also just chucking up bad passes to get rid of the ball. We played better teams with JG. His numbers were still better.

 

[BeardedVol]

No d coordinator was stacking the box to stop our poor run game. No need to lie.

We had a competent qb. Teams tried to stop our pass game due to the lack of run game. He wasn't great at all. Definitely an ok SEC qb, just not a game breaker.

Some of you need to study a dictionary and a football for dummies book.

Go back and watch our game vs Florida and then watch LSU vs Florida, and pay attention to the defensive alignment, especially how many guys are within 5 yards of the LOS, and what they do after the snap.

I've often wondered if you watched the games at all, pretty sure that you don't, maybe the highlights, but only when UT wins.

 

[LittleVol]

Team 5 STAR
QB Harrison Bailey FR 6'5 225
RB Ty Chandler SR 5'10 210
TE Austin Pope SR 6'4 240
WR Josh Palmer SR 6'2 202
SL DeAngelo Gibbs JR 6'2 217
WR Ramel Keyton SO 6'3 195
LT Wanya Morris SO 6'4 300
LG Trey Smith SR 6'4 320
C Brandon Kennedy SR 6'3 300
RG Cade Mays JR 6'5 310
RT Darnell Wright SO 6'6 320

Team Quick Strike
QB Brian Maurer SO 6'4 200
RB Eric Gray SO 5'10 200
TE Austin Pope SR 6'4 240
WR Josh Palmer SR 6'2 202
WR Ramel Keyton SO 6'3 200
SL Jimmy Calloway FR 6'0 180
LT Wanya Morris SO 6'4 300
LG Trey Smith SR 6'4 320
C Brandon Kennedy SR 6'3 300
RG Cade Mays JR 6'5 310
RT Darnell Wright SO 6'6

2020 Veteran Vols
QB Jarrett Gaurantano SR 6'4 220
RB Tim Jordan SR 5'10 212
TE Austin Pope SR 6'4 240
WR Josh Palmer SR 6'2 202
WR Ramel Keyton SO 6'3 200
SL Brandon Johnson SR 6'2 205
LT Wanya Morris SO 6'4 300
LG Trey Smith SR 6'4 320
C Brandon Kennedy SR 6'3 300
RG Cade Mays JR 6'5 310
RT Darnell Wright SO 6'6

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

Not what I stated. Read my posts again.

You are wasting your time. The guy is just a flat out liar. Seriously, stop wasting your time. Just point and laugh at him. Everybody else is.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Off the beaten path am I. One thing we will see, yes I said will as opposed to may. That will be JG running the ball more than he has since being at the UT. Said it before, for a dual-threat QB it was odd he rarely ran, especially with defenses coming through to maul him. My suspicion is Lyle Allen and later Pruitt discouraged that. But we saw him scat both when attacked and on what looked like designed runs this season. As if he has finally been given permission. Sort of like Butch Cassidy.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

You are wasting your time. The guy is just a flat out liar. Seriously, stop wasting your time. Just point and laugh at him. Everybody else is.

Asked him why he is gung-ho in his defense of JG and if he is a personal friend so I am in a way laughing at him. He will not answer the question.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

You're writing these long replies, trying to have a conversation, and all he is doing is scanning them to look for a little nit to pick. Then he makes a two or three word response, usually a lie or mischaracterization, and you again reply as if he is an honest debater.

I agree with all youre saying, but you're being trolled.

Anytime anyone replies to him in good faith, he considers it a win. That's his troll reward. Those are the bones he gnaws on under his bridge.

 

[pimo1]

This. 5 star sits on the bench? Don't believe it

If he wins the job he wins the job Pruitt has proven he plays who earns it. He tells recruits if you work hard you play and he has thus far been solid on that. I think whoever the best QB is will start for us. If nothing else it will push them all to get better.

 

[KBVol]

I think he'll probably play more than Johnson. JMO.
Also think Theo starts over Flowers

Understand this sentiment because Gibbs is a superior athlete to Johnson. However, I think they’ll be on the field together a good bit, with Gibbs playing outside stretching the defense while Johnson plays underneath at slot.

 

[KBVol]

???

WR is not nearly the top concern and we have two very good Seniors, plus Velus Jones Keyton, Tillman and Gibbs before we even get to a true Fr. The days of constantly needing the next Fr to hit campus and plug a roster hole are over.

QB, OLB, and S....

Who are the “very good seniors” at wideout? The one who was the up and down, very inconsistent 3rd WR from last year.....or the one who took a big step back as a junior in 2018 and couldn’t get on the field last year resulting in a redshirt?

I think each can contribute, can be serviceable, can even make the occasional big play. But “very good”? Nah.

 

[HouseDividedVol]

So Mays is expected to be allowed to play?

Nobody knows

 

[KBVol]

If he wins the job he wins the job Pruitt has proven he plays who earns it. He tells recruits if you work hard you play and he has thus far been solid on that. I think whoever the best QB is will start for us. If nothing else it will push them all to get better.

The problem is this. Play in practice will decide who wins the job....we know that Guarantano looks good in practice and due to his experience is gonna come across well as having a command of the offense.... but then folds and plays poorly on Saturdays when the real bullets start flying. So, does this mean we gotta sacrifice a win or 2 early in the season before Pruitt gets him out of there?

Bottom line, the best scenario is for Maurer or Bailey or even Shrout to step it up and thoroughly beat Guarantano out in the spring and fall camp. Based on what we see on Saturdays, this would appear to be like taking candy from a baby, but it clearly hasn’t proven to be thus far.

 

[Billy Ratliff]

Who are the “very good seniors” at wideout? The one who was the up and down, very inconsistent 3rd WR from last year.....or the one who took a big step back as a junior in 2018 and couldn’t get on the field last year resulting in a redshirt?

I think each can contribute, can be serviceable, can even make the occasional big play. But “very good”? Nah.

If you don’t think Josh Palmer is very good I won’t waste my breath. Johnson was an SEC team’s leading WR two years ago - again, if you don’t think that’s very good we can just agree to disagree and move along. I hope you enjoy making the most negative characterizations possible about “your favorite team” b/c otherwise idk why you’d choose to do it.

 

[whodeycin85]

Im convinced that unless any of the other QBs become conservative and not risk throws and take sacks..CJP will stick with JG. He seems stuck on the old school philosophy of football. Like Bama had with MCCaron,Croyle and McElroy

 

[sjt18]

Air yard percentage literally tells how much of your yardage came through the air vs after the catch.

Uh, yeah. I "literally" understand what that means.

That "stat" does not stand alone. Many of the better passers in the conference were MUCH better at placing the ball where receivers could make the catch then run.

JG LEAD THE SEC IN AIR YARDAGE PERCENTAGE. So you are lying once again. He literally had the least yac among SEC qbs.

Nope. Haven't lied. Not in the least. You are a fundamentally dishonest person who accuses others of "lying" simply because they shoot holes in your false, cultic narrative.

Tua -39.6% so 60% after the catch
Burrow -55.29% 45% after the catch
Secstatcat

Umm, yes. JG frequently throws late or under throws. Again his slow processing and inability to anticipate throws enables defenders to either prevent YACs or make plays on the ball.

I know you want to spin this as a "good" thing... but it isn't

 

[sjt18]

Im convinced that unless any of the other QBs become conservative and not risk throws and take sacks..CJP will stick with JG. He seems stuck on the old school philosophy of football. Like Bama had with MCCaron,Croyle and McElroy

I'm convinced you are 100% wrong about that. Pretty much everything they did with the QB position this year contradicts the idea that Pruitt will be satisfied just to hand the job to a veteran.

I think someone will have to take that job from JG. No doubt. But it can be had if someone beats him out. Shrout and Maurer in particular need to catch up big time in management of the run game. Maurer has to improve his decision making. Shrout may need to speed his decision making up also. Then there are 3 other guys who could have something to say about it.

Pruitt proved definitively that even after a huge investment of time and effort trying to build JG's confidence... he was willing to replace him 1/3 into the season. It wasn't easy. He probably had to eat some pride after declaring JG the unchallenged starter last January. But I just don't see what you're saying.

If JG starts then that means Pruitt thinks he has earned the job.... and that would be a really, really bad sign for UT IMO. JG's problems seem to pop up even after you think they may be gone. He has never been an effective QB in regard to sustaining drives or scoring points. I just cannot bring myself to "hope" any longer that he will turn the corner.

 

[sjt18]

@sjt18 let's not to forget to address your lie about yac.

Didn't lie. But not surprising that you would lie accusing someone else of lying.

JG is and was as a freshman better than Dormady. He passed the ball much better. Dormady took less sacks due to being older and also just chucking up bad passes to get rid of the ball. We played better teams with JG. His numbers were still better.

False .... except yes Dormady's stats were skewed because he threw the ball away to save field position. Something oddly that JG has gotten somewhat better at doing... but now you can't even give him credit without once again demonstrating your intellectual dishonesty.

JG's poor play led UT to a 1 and 6 record after he became the starter. The O behind JG was anemic. In 4 of QD's 5 starts, the O produced over 300 yards. The worst performance was the one where Jones wasted multiple drives vs UMass to play JG. I am not sure when Dormady actually injured his shoulder but he clearly collapsed as a passer in the UGA game and had surgery shortly after. JG looked good in trash time vs UGA which had a lot of people including me more hopeful. In JG's 7 starts, UT produced over 300 yards ONCE.

That is by definition ineffective QB play. Delude yourself all you like. The O was better behind QD. Their best game of the season except for the INT's (some of which you wrongly laid on QD) was UF. UT produced 442 yds against a D that averaged allowing 349... without help from their O. The only comparable game behind JG was UK... the SEC's 12th ranked D that year.

 

[butchna]

Im convinced that unless any of the other QBs become conservative and not risk throws and take sacks..CJP will stick with JG. He seems stuck on the old school philosophy of football. Like Bama had with MCCaron,Croyle and McElroy

He never had an association with Croyle.