247: Vols' projected depth chart next season

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kamoshika said:
Pretty good overviews with projected starters listed below.

OFFENSE: Projecting Tennessee's way-too-early depth chart: Offense
  • QB: Jarrett Guarantano
  • RB: Eric Gray
  • WR: Josh Palmer, Ramel Keyton, Brandon Johnson
  • TE: Austin Pope
  • OL: LT Wanya Morris, LG Trey Smith, C Brandon Kennedy, RG Cade Mays, RT Darnell Wright
DEFENSE: Projecting Tennessee's way-too-early depth chart: Defense
  • DL: Aubrey Solomon, Emmit Gooden, Darel Middleton
  • OLB: Kivon Bennett, Deandre Johnson
  • ILB: Henry To'o To'o, Quavaris Crouch
  • CB: Bryce Thompson, Alontae Taylor, Shawn Shamburger (star/nickelback)
  • S: Jaylen McCollough, Trevon Flowers
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I think most of this is legit, I would change a few , Gibbs in the slot will be lethal, I think Jackson Lowe at TE will be pushing for pt, Pope is a pretty good blocker if he doesn't jump offsides or fumble the ball at the dangum goal line but he's not the best pass catcher. As far as the QB situation goes if HB comes in and does his thing JG will not see the field much but if it takes him a little bit to get acclimated with the speed of the game JG will be the guy unfortunately
 
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k-town_king said:
He overcame two redzone interceptions by Brian maurer to win the game. That is a fact.
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No. It simply isn't. UT was leading when he came in. He in fact kept MSU IN THE GAME by NOT leading the team to scores.

His first "drive" went 5 yards with a FG after UT's D set him up with GREAT field position.

He had another FG drive when he completed a long pass to Keyton that would have been a TD if he had led him. As it was, YOU would have to define that throw as "luck" like you do Maurer's perfectly thrown ball in the UGA game since it was a 50/50 ball.

He had 3 more drives resulting in punts that went for an 6 plays-18 yds, 3 plays-0 yds, and 6 plays-21 yds.

None of that would have been an unreasonable expectation for Maurer had he not gotten hurt. In fact, he might have brought a little extra help in the run game.
 
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k-town_king said:
UGA, Jg had literally one series when the game was already over.
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LOL@U. He "literally" handed the ball off against UGA's back ups to drive down the field then "literally" went 0-4 inside the 10 yd line against UGA's back ups.

I knew you didn't watch the games. Things are finally making sense. No one could actually watch the games and think how you do.
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Well, actually, I make a habit of watching the games with my eyes open rather than checking, then spinning, the "stats" afterwards.
 
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sjt18 said:
LOL@U. He "literally" handed the ball off against UGA's back ups to drive down the field then "literally" went 0-4 inside the 10 yd line against UGA's back ups.

Well, actually, I make a habit of watching the games with my eyes open rather than checking, then spinning, the "stats" afterwards.
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It doesn't matter what happened. The FACT that he had one drive and BM played 90% of a blowout loss doesn't change.

Who is arguing what happened on the one drive with the game out of hand? Not me.
 
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k-town_king said:
Pruitt did start who he thought was the best for that situation. We still were blown out by UGA. JG had a higher qbr that game. BM was bad beyond the first quarter.
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Um, no. ESPN's "stats" for that game are incorrect. Maurer had a 144 QBR. JG had a 43 QBR.

There is no way you compare 14/28 for 259 yds with 2 TD's and 1 INT to 1/5 for 14 yds and say the latter is "better".


MSu he tried BM. He was ineffective on top of getting injured. JG came in and saved us from the turnovers BM had.
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Do you lie and convince yourself first or just lie? Maurer in fewer drives produced over half of UT's O. He made mistakes with the ball... but moved the team well. If he was "ineffective" then what do you call the guy who produced less yardage in more drives?


Wins are not a qb stat. We can acknowledge what qb actually had a hand in winning vs who played bad or not much. JG contributed to those wins. He wasn't the sole reason. BM did not contribute to our winning streak much. JG did.
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Liar. You have tried to play this both ways. When you think it helps JG then wins matter. When it demonstrates his ineffectiveness as a 4th year QB... then you say it isn't a QB stat.

For the rest of the football world... wins are a QB stat. The QB is the guy with the most power to influence the outcome. He touches the ball on almost every play. His reads, audibles, adjustments, etc determine success or failure on every offensive play. But that isn't convenient to your narrative since you know that JG will very likely end up one of the few if not the only UT regular starter to finish with a losing record.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. It simply isn't. UT was leading when he came in. He in fact kept MSU IN THE GAME by NOT leading the team to scores.

His first "drive" went 5 yards with a FG after UT's D set him up with GREAT field position.

He had another FG drive when he completed a long pass to Keyton that would have been a TD if he had led him. As it was, YOU would have to define that throw as "luck" like you do Maurer's perfectly thrown ball in the UGA game since it was a 50/50 ball.

He had 3 more drives resulting in punts that went for an 6 plays-18 yds, 3 plays-0 yds, and 6 plays-21 yds.

None of that would have been an unreasonable expectation for Maurer had he not gotten hurt. In fact, he might have brought a little extra help in the run game.
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Yeah. JG "overcoming" a lead UT already had and "winning" the game on 7 pass attempts is an extreme stretch.
 
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k-town_king said:
It doesn't matter what happened. The FACT that he had one drive and BM played 90% of a blowout loss doesn't change.
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Oh, again your double standard. When JG sucks it doesn't matter... but you insist on including Maurer's stats from UF and UTC every time you express your genuine hate for the kid.

Who is arguing what happened on the one drive with the game out of hand? Not me.
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No. Like always your are parsing the "facts" while claiming to have the "facts" to suit your narrative. Maurer was "ineffective" because one of the nation's best defenses was able to adjust to a true Fr. But we have to ignore the fact that your 4th year idol could not complete a pass in the red zone vs UGA's back ups...

That is your level of dishonesty in one compact example.
 
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sjt18 said:
Um, no. ESPN's "stats" for that game are incorrect. Maurer had a 144 QBR. JG had a 43 QBR.

There is no way you compare 14/28 for 259 yds with 2 TD's and 1 INT to 1/5 for 14 yds and say the latter is "better".


Do you lie and convince yourself first or just lie? Maurer in fewer drives produced over half of UT's O. He made mistakes with the ball... but moved the team well. If he was "ineffective" then what do you call the guy who produced less yardage in more drives?


Liar. You have tried to play this both ways. When you think it helps JG then wins matter. When it demonstrates his ineffectiveness as a 4th year QB... then you say it isn't a QB stat.

For the rest of the football world... wins are a QB stat. The QB is the guy with the most power to influence the outcome. He touches the ball on almost every play. His reads, audibles, adjustments, etc determine success or failure on every offensive play. But that isn't convenient to your narrative since you know that JG will very likely end up one of the few if not the only UT regular starter to finish with a losing record.
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Quarterback rating and qbr are two different stats. That you don't know that is unsurprising.

JG qbr vs UGA 76
BM qbr vs UGA 75.9

Neither was good vs UGA. BM had a good quarter. Then after that 50% passing with two fumbles including one for a sack fumble td, and an interception.

No, qb wins are not listed as a college stat on any NCAA, ESPN, CBS or any other stat site.
We can acknowledge the qb that contributed to the team win. In each win this year JG contributed the most by far of any qb.
 
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sjt18 said:
Oh, again your double standard. When JG sucks it doesn't matter... but you insist on including Maurer's stats from UF and UTC every time you express your genuine hate for the kid.


No. Like always your are parsing the "facts" while claiming to have the "facts" to suit your narrative. Maurer was "ineffective" because one of the nation's best defenses was able to adjust to a true Fr. But we have to ignore the fact that your 4th year idol could not complete a pass in the red zone vs UGA's back ups...

That is your level of dishonesty in one compact example.
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I don't leave any game out for JG when discussing season stats. Even the drive vs UGA when no qb would be expected to be successful in that situation. I don't leave out any for BM. The season included all of those plays.

We include JG's first few game of his fr year when discussing his stats. His first year was still much better than BM.

I like BM. He just isn't as good as JG nor is he ready to play. He is a project that may have already recruited over. Those are just facts.
 
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k-town_king said:
Quarterback rating and qbr are two different stats. That you don't know that is unsurprising.

JG qbr vs UGA 76
BM qbr vs UGA 75.9
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And there is no way on earth that that is correct. And yes, I know there are different calculations for QBR. And "QBR" literally stands for "quarterback rating". That you didn't know that... is indicative.

Neither was good vs UGA. BM had a good quarter. Then after that 50% passing with two fumbles including one for a sack fumble td, and an interception.
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Maurer played well for a while. As a Fr, he didn't have the experience for Chaney to match UGA's adjustments. JG, your idol and RS Jr, stank against UGA's back ups in trash time. Don't try to equate them to push your narrative. No rational person watched that game and believed that JG played equal to Maurer.

No, qb wins are not listed as a college stat on any NCAA, ESPN, CBS or any other stat site.
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Yes. QB's are known by their wins in college and the NFL. Those stats ARE kept because they are repeated fairly often. Hurts' record as a starter makes a GREAT example. It was a theme. Of course, you can't allow this... you have to attempt another lame parsing of the facts since it doesn't fit your false narrative.

We can acknowledge the qb that contributed to the team win. In each win this year JG contributed the most by far of any qb.
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To a degree yes... now can we agree that that same QB was the PRIMARY factor in the GSU and BYU losses... the only two losses on the year that clearly should have been wins?
 
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k-town_king said:
I don't leave any game out for JG when discussing season stats. Even the drive vs UGA when no qb would be expected to be successful in that situation. I don't leave out any for BM. The season included all of those plays.
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You are such a liar. Really you are. A RS Jr given 1st and goal against UGA's back ups should most definitely be expected to succeed.

You parse and spin constantly.

We include JG's first few game of his fr year when discussing his stats. His first year was still much better than BM.
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He was a RS Jr who was given the starting job and then managed with safe plays and hyper cautious throws. Still he took over 30 sacks because he held the ball too long. Sacks have a HUGE impact on scoring and sustained drives. You'd rather have an incompletion than a sack. So while you beat your chest over "stats"... JG was completely ineffective losing every game but one and failing to lead the O to points or keep the O on the field.

I like BM.
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That's laughable. It really is. You can't pay the kid one unqualified compliment... and constantly twist the truth to find ways to attack him.

He just isn't as good as JG nor is he ready to play.
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He wasn't ready. I've said that many times. It was JG's ineffectiveness that forced BM into service.

He is a project that may have already recruited over. Those are just facts.
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Nope. Those are not "the facts". If he were nothing more than a "project" then he wouldn't have been trusted to start against the best D UT faced all year. He may have been "recruited over" and I'd be just fine with that so long as UT gets better QB play than we have EVER seen from JG on a consistent basis.
 
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sjt18 said:
And there is no way on earth that that is correct. And yes, I know there are different calculations for QBR. And "QBR" literally stands for "quarterback rating". That you didn't know that... is indicative.

Maurer played well for a while. As a Fr, he didn't have the experience for Chaney to match UGA's adjustments. JG, your idol and RS Jr, stank against UGA's back ups in trash time. Don't try to equate them to push your narrative. No rational person watched that game and believed that JG played equal to Maurer.

Yes. QB's are known by their wins in college and the NFL. Those stats ARE kept because they are repeated fairly often. Hurts' record as a starter makes a GREAT example. It was a theme. Of course, you can't allow this... you have to attempt another lame parsing of the facts since it doesn't fit your false narrative.

To a degree yes... now can we agree that that same QB was the PRIMARY factor in the GSU and BYU losses... the only two losses on the year that clearly should have been wins?
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Nowhere on any stat site is wins for a college qb listed under stats. That is a fact.

No Maurer played well for 16 minutes while the defense sold out against the run. When they didn't he was bad.

JG was bad on a last minute drive after sitting the whole game basically. Wow, got me there. Even though 99% of qbs would have had the same results in that situation.

Yes JG was the biggest contibuting factor of any qb in those losses. Duh. He was the only qb that played. He wasn't the reason for either loss. The defense was.
 
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You guys can argue in every thread if you like but here is the bottom line. JG has to improve in several areas or he will not be the starter or he will start but hamstring the team again this year. But my all means, continue arguing in every thread if you wish 😄
 
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825VOL said:
You guys can argue in every thread if you like but here is the bottom line. JG has to improve in several areas or he will not be the starter or he will start but hamstring the team again this year. But my all means, continue arguing in every thread if you wish 😄
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So you're looking for more cerebral conversation on Volnation? Like this? How about this? Or maybe this is what you seek?
 
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825VOL said:
I know it is the off season so things are slow, but why does it have to be in every thread????
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Because the article that OP linked to start the thread named him the assumed starter, and a lot of people have strong opinions on the subject.
 
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k-town_king said:
Nowhere on any stat site is wins for a college qb listed under stats. That is a fact.

No Maurer played well for 16 minutes while the defense sold out against the run. When they didn't he was bad.

JG was bad on a last minute drive after sitting the whole game basically. Wow, got me there. Even though 99% of qbs would have had the same results in that situation.

Yes JG was the biggest contibuting factor of any qb in those losses. Duh. He was the only qb that played. He wasn't the reason for either loss. The defense was.
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Your boy over a career averages
148 yards and 1.2 Tds a game.

A game.


Per contest.

148 passing yards...

PER GAME.

1.2 TDs. What is that? Right at 7 points a game??? PAT doesn't count in scoring.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
So without ever seeing HB take a snap at the college level it is obvious to you he has the abiltiy to lead an offense in the SEC..cool.

Personally i hope HB is all that folks claim he is. It would be fantastic to have a first round NFL type QB under center. However even if he is im never gonna bash JG for his shortcomings. He has given his all on the field for the Volunteers and what more can one ask of an athlete?
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Production supersedes everything else. The other Qb’s on the roster have a low standard to beat and I’m confident at least one will do so.
 
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LittleVol said:
Your boy over a career averages
148 yards and 1.2 Tds a game.

A game.


Per contest.

148 passing yards...

PER GAME.

1.2 TDs. What is that? Right at 7 points a game??? PAT doesn't count in scoring.
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Yea there is a thing called a team. He isn't solely responsible for points scored. You are also including a bunch of games he played a quarter or so in. Try again buddy
 
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