2025 Target List

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Jean-Claude van Manning said:
I mean -- can we not just say openly what the deal is here. Has to be pretty big to pass up what would be our likely best option from a talent perspective.
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Come on...it's pretty obvious isn't it?

What's the number 1 thing Rick Barnes absolutely will not give to recruits or portal players?



Guaranteed playing time.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Come on...it's pretty obvious isn't it?

What's the number 1 thing Rick Barnes absolutely will not give to recruits or portal players?



Guaranteed playing time.
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Adams has to be kind of dumb if he needs a 100% guarantee when all he has to do is look at the depth chart for 2 guard position.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Come on...it's pretty obvious isn't it?

What's the number 1 thing Rick Barnes absolutely will not give to recruits or portal players?



Guaranteed playing time.
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Well yes it's obvious but I wanted to be sure because it would also be incredibly dumb of Adams to make demands given we basically don't have another 2 on campus right now.

I was just wanting to make that point salient. If he wants guaranteed PT he is either dumb or way worse than his ranking suggests.
 
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Jean-Claude van Manning said:
Well yes it's obvious but I wanted to be sure because it would also be incredibly dumb of Adams to make demands given we basically don't have another 2 on campus right now.

I was just wanting to make that point salient. If he wants guaranteed PT he is either dumb or way worse than his ranking suggests.
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If your goal is to get to the NBA as fast as possible, which is typically the goal for every 5 star the only thing that will prevent that is riding pine.

Don't think it makes Adams dumb, but seems like it could be one reason some other teams aren't pursuing. Cause by all accounts it was gonna be a done deal to Michigan State or Vols, now he's found 2 new schools that weren't even in his original offer list to visit.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
If your goal is to get to the NBA as fast as possible, which is typically the goal for every 5 star the only thing that will prevent that is riding pine.

Don't think it makes Adams dumb, but seems like it could be one reason some other teams aren't pursuing. Cause by all accounts it was gonna be a done deal to Michigan State or Vols, now he's found 2 new schools that weren't even in his original offer list to visit.
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The gross behavior this portal cycle is that a kid and family sit with coaches and ask for a really specific set of things. When they get those things, the agent asks for more. When that fails, they go to visit schools that are not a fit to create a bidding war. The original school doesn’t match, and the kid goes a place that is a terrible fit. This happened with Rice and now is developing with Adams.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The gross behavior this portal cycle is that a kid and family sit with coaches and ask for a really specific set of things. When they get those things, the agent asks for more. When that fails, they go to visit schools that are not a fit to create a bidding war. The original school doesn’t match, and the kid goes a place that is a terrible fit. This happened with Rice and now is developing with Adams.
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Agents are 100% the biggest problem with the portal. Way too many bad faith actors looking to make money off gullible/naïve players and families.
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
Agents are 100% the biggest problem with the portal. Way too many bad faith actors looking to make money off gullible/naïve players and families.
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Well, the kid and the "families" have a brain and a say so. If an agent is leading by the nose, that's on the kid and family.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The gross behavior this portal cycle is that a kid and family sit with coaches and ask for a really specific set of things. When they get those things, the agent asks for more. When that fails, they go to visit schools that are not a fit to create a bidding war. The original school doesn’t match, and the kid goes a place that is a terrible fit. This happened with Rice and now is developing with Adams.
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Yeah that's the most frustrating part....it'd be different if the "other school" just came in on their own account, but to ask for things...get them and then try to up the demands is just bad faith behavior. It'll burn the agent and/or kid eventually...sadly I feel like the players will end up getting burnt the most in those situations.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
The gross behavior this portal cycle is that a kid and family sit with coaches and ask for a really specific set of things. When they get those things, the agent asks for more. When that fails, they go to visit schools that are not a fit to create a bidding war. The original school doesn’t match, and the kid goes a place that is a terrible fit. This happened with Rice and now is developing with Adams.
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My first thought was that this is turning out almost exactly like the Rice situation. What nefarious way to do things. Really, this whole deal is basically the same as an auction, with the agent being the auctioneer.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
The things about some of these guys is that this is the biggest contract they'll ever get. We shouldn't act like they are messing up their lives to take a million extra bucks at a bad fit. You would (and should) too.
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I mean you're right to an extent: problem is most of them - or their parents - will blow through the money quickly and not save/invest it so that it grows over time.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
The things about some of these guys is that this is the biggest contract they'll ever get. We shouldn't act like they are messing up their lives to take a million extra bucks at a bad fit. You would (and should) too.
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I get it. I don’t have to like it though. It just rubs me the wrong way when two sides agree on something and then one side changes their terms after they agree. I know this is not uncommon outside of the US, so I suppose it’s just the culture I was brought up in.
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
I mean you're right to an extent: problem is most of them - or their parents - will blow through the money quickly and not save/invest it so that it grows over time.
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Man, I don’t like it either, but how do you know this? I’m sure that’s the case for some, but there’s no way we could know how every single family/player handles the money they receive from these deals.
 
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TrapVol said:
Man, I don’t like it either, but how do you know this? I’m sure that’s the case for some, but there’s no way we could know how every single family/player handles the money they receive from these deals.
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Statistically he’s right, it’s what happens to many who come into a large sum quickly. Plenty of athletes, lottery winners, etc end up broke. There’s been study’s that show 78% of NFL players are broke within a couple years of retirement and same for 60% of NBA players. I would imagine with 18-19 year olds getting this type of money the statistics for them will be even worse if it’s studied in a few years down the road.
 
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