2025 NBA Draft and Offseason

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#152


Thank you Bobby Marks you answered two questions I was looking for
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Naw, they didnt. They were able to dump KCP, which was worth a first+ by itself.

The 2030 pick might be an issue for them. The Phoenix one could be but I dont think they fully implode.
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They pretty much depleted all their draft capital for him. Bane makes sense for fit but they paid way above sticker price
 
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volnbama_ said:
They pretty much depleted all their draft capital for him. Bane makes sense for fit but they paid way above sticker price
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They needed a shooter. They had no flexibility (because of KCP deal).

I view it as 3 picks for Bane and 1 to dump KCP..

3 unprotected firsts for Bane sounds about right..
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
They needed a shooter. They had no flexibility (because of KCP deal).

I view it as 3 picks for Bane and 1 to dump KCP..

3 unprotected firsts for Bane sounds about right..
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A pick to offload a rotation/starting wing at $21m (in a league where guys are getting $64m)? Not sure I've seen that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
A pick to offload a rotation/starting wing at $21m (in a league where guys are getting $64m)? Not sure I've seen that.
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Marcus Smart, Andre Iguodala, Derrick Favors, Eric Bledsoe. All had 1sts attached to get out of deals. None had 43m remaining either.

Might see it with Porzingis this summer
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Naw, they didnt. They were able to dump KCP, which was worth a first+ by itself.

The 2030 pick might be an issue for them. The Phoenix one could be but I dont think they fully implode.
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Maybe not fleeced, but it wasn’t a bad deal for the Grizz. That got max value for Bane, imo. And I’d rather have Bane, selfishly.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Marcus Smart, Andre Iguodala, Derrick Favors, Eric Bledsoe. All had 1sts attached to get out of deals. None had 43m remaining either.

Might see it with Porzingis this summer
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But those guys were all the way washed, right? KCP played 2300 minutes and shot 35% from 3p this year
 
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Also, if Jazz 1st is in top 8 next year, OKC will get absolutely nothing for taking the Favors contract
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Maybe not fleeced, but it wasn’t a bad deal for the Grizz. That got max value for Bane, imo. And I’d rather have Bane, selfishly.
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The value was good. My concern is the FO will try to run it back with KCP. This FO loves their washed 3 and Ds (see Smart and Winslow)....

I hope this is move 1 of a well thought out plan. The issue is the FA moves have been almost a failure since COVID...
 
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n_huffhines said:
His PER was only 0.8 higher the year before they signed him to the $60m contract.

You're comparing him to guys who didn't really play or KP, who makes almost 2x what he makes.
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Iguodala was still playing 25 mins per game (on a far better team) with a much higher PER.

Bledsoe played over 2000 mins at higher PER

Even Favors played over 1000 mins at a much higher PER
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Iguodala was still playing 25 mins per game (on a far better team) with a much higher PER.

Bledsoe played over 2000 mins at higher PER

Even Favors played over 1000 mins at a much higher PER
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Well, I did say "wing."

Iggy is a good one. Although, I will point out he played significantly less time than KCP, was 5 years older, and obviously on the decline while making more in terms of cap%.

Maybe they had to pay to offload, but I really doubt it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, I did say "wing."

Iggy is a good one. Although, I will point out he played significantly less time than KCP, was 5 years older, and obviously on the decline while making significantly more in terms of cap%.

Maybe they had to pay to offload, but I really doubt it.
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We took Iggy into our cap space after the Conley deal and got Top 4 protected 1st...

Took Josh Jackson into cap space and got back Melton plus 2 seconds (one helped become Bane)

We did really well with that Conley deal
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
They needed a shooter. They had no flexibility (because of KCP deal).

I view it as 3 picks for Bane and 1 to dump KCP..

3 unprotected firsts for Bane sounds about right..
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They just blew their load on a good/solid player. It’s odd to wait that long and then decide Desmond Bane is the guy to push your chips in on. He’s not a needle mover
 
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n_huffhines said:
Feels like a trade where only time will tell, but I think the price is reasonable.
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Take a look at the PER for Harris, KCP, and Howard and you will see why ORL paid what they did.

The East is getting weaker and ORL still made the playoffs with historically bad SG play. This wasnt bad play. It was historically bad play for a playoff team.

Its almost unheard of that a guy plays 2300 minutes with a Sub 10 PER. And then his backups have 2 of the 5 lowert qualifiying PERs in the NBA..

If ORL gave up the 16th pick and 2 unprotected firsts for Bane last year, would people have thought it was a bad deal?
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Take a look at the PER for Harris, KCP, and Howard and you will see why ORL paid what they did.

The East is getting weaker and ORL still made the playoffs with historically bad SG play. This wasnt bad play. It was historically bad play for a playoff team.

Its almost unheard of that a guy plays 2300 minutes with a Sub 10 PER. And then his backups have 2 of the 5 lowert qualifiying PERs in the NBA..

If ORL gave up the 16th pick and 2 unprotected firsts for Bane last year, would people have thought it was a bad deal?
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That seems like a real bad trade for the Grizz.

These guys that had 2000 minutes and a PER ~10 is not a bad list at all. Again, this is who KCP was when they signed him a year ago.

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@n_huffhines have you listened to game theory with Sam Vecinie and Bryce Miller? They’re going through every team and do 35-50 minutes offseason previews. They can drag a little but some good info and overview stuff
 
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