2021 schedule/predictions/expectations

#78
#78
99gator said:
Tennessee 2018 Football Commits

Tennessee 2019 Football Commits

Tennessee 2020 Football Commits

Tennessee 2021 Football Commits

1. Look at these classes and honestly tell me what you feel good about.

2. JG was an example. I used one guy. The point was some guys live up to the ranking and some don't. Florida has a basketball player who's a 5* sophomore that's coming off the bench. Why? Because he was over rated and he's not a 5*.

The example I used earlier about the QB situation in 1990 at Florida was to illustrate the point that even a great coach can't help everybody. The assumption always is that we change the coach, we change the strength guy, and we snap our fingers and we're great. There is this same kind of romanticism about Bear Bryant and the "Junction Boys" at A&M. He didn't win with the Junction Boys, The purpose of Junction was to run people off and replace them which is exactly what happened.

Kentucky has had more players drafted in the NFL draft the last 3 seasons than Tennessee. Ditto South Carolina. Missouri has had the same amount of guys drafted.

In the last 5 years, Kentucky has 37 wins, Missouri 30, South Carolina 28 and Tennessee 30.

There is no objective measure that says (at this point in time), there is a huge difference in the level of talent at these schools.

If you can find one other than the ones that everyone picks on when an Alabama commit changes from a 4* to a 5* after committing to Alabama, I'm open to it.
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UT vs UK last 5 yrs = 4-1
UT vs Missouri last 5 yrs = 4-1
UT vs SC last 5 yrs = 2-3 (2 in a row)
10-5 total

Sorry but we have been better than these 3 by a long way. Even as crappy as we have been.
 
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#79
#79
I think expectations need to be basement level. This place is an absolute dumpster fire and itll take years upon years to get back to the top. If heupel can get us to 6 wins this season I'd consider him very successful. His hands are full
 
#80
#80
tennesseeduke said:
UT vs UK last 5 yrs = 4-1
UT vs Missouri last 5 yrs = 4-1
UT vs SC last 5 yrs = 2-3 (2 in a row)
10-5 total

Sorry but we have been better than these 3 by a long way. Even as crappy as we have been.
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The problem is those totals are not accurate.

The actual totals in the last 5 years are.....

vs. Missouri 3-2
vs. South Carolina 2-3
vs. Kentucky 3-2

Tennessee is 8-7 vs. those schools in the last five years. Pretty much .500.
 
#81
#81
99gator said:
The problem is those totals are not accurate.

The actual totals in the last 5 years are.....

vs. Missouri 3-2
vs. South Carolina 2-3
vs. Kentucky 3-2

Tennessee is 8-7 vs. those schools in the last five years. Pretty much .500.
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Does Florida not have their own message boards? I mean damn....
 
#85
#85
99gator said:
Tennessee 2018 Football Commits

Tennessee 2019 Football Commits

Tennessee 2020 Football Commits

Tennessee 2021 Football Commits

1. Look at these classes and honestly tell me what you feel good about.

2. JG was an example. I used one guy. The point was some guys live up to the ranking and some don't. Florida has a basketball player who's a 5* sophomore that's coming off the bench. Why? Because he was over rated and he's not a 5*.

The example I used earlier about the QB situation in 1990 at Florida was to illustrate the point that even a great coach can't help everybody. The assumption always is that we change the coach, we change the strength guy, and we snap our fingers and we're great. There is this same kind of romanticism about Bear Bryant and the "Junction Boys" at A&M. He didn't win with the Junction Boys, The purpose of Junction was to run people off and replace them which is exactly what happened.
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So you seriously do not believe changing from the scheme that Pruitt imposed on Chaney to an aggressive style of O that puts guys with sub 4.4 40's like Hyatt in space will make any difference at all, correct?

Yeah. that kind of change matters. Do you remember when Urban took over from Zook? Those players weren't even what he considered ideal for his system. Leak definitely wasn't. But by golly snap those fingers and suddenly they figured out how to play offense.

But only elites like Gator fans get to hope for such things... right?

JG is the one example you gave before making a sweeping generalization. JG was a mistake that Pruitt kept making.... and making... and making. Apparently the guy is a practice All-American who simply can't translate it to gameday. So you have proof that the rest of UT's roster is like that, right? UT just found all of the 4* and 5* busts in those classes?

Kentucky has had more players drafted in the NFL draft the last 3 seasons than Tennessee. Ditto South Carolina. Missouri has had the same amount of guys drafted.

In the last 5 years, Kentucky has 37 wins, Missouri 30, South Carolina 28 and Tennessee 30.
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How many of those drafted players are expected to line up for those schools this fall? Jones last couple of classes sucked. No argument there.

There is no objective measure that says (at this point in time), there is a huge difference in the level of talent at these schools.
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So your contention is that the recruiting ratings are meaningless, correct? For all you know UF may be no more talented than UK, right? Or are they only meaningful when it is convenient to you for them to be meaningful. Coaching matters. I still think Pruitt is a good teacher of the game. He isn't a Head Coach. I hope he has a long, successful career as an NFL assistant and never tries to lead a whole staff again.

Can you honestly say that UT would have been 3-7 with Mullen as HC last year? Do you think they would have lost to GSU or BYU the year before?

Oh BY THE WAY.... You didn't just suggest that UT was equal in talent to these teams. Your smart... aleck... comment that making a bowl would be a good accomplishment says that UT won't win more than one against these opponents... and will be lucky to do that.

If you can find one other than the ones that everyone picks on when an Alabama commit changes from a 4* to a 5* after committing to Alabama, I'm open to it.
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You continue to ignore the impact of Pruitt and especially his philosophy of play. He tried to play Fulmer ball from the 90's in an era when spread offenses won't allow that. Spurrier was way ahead of his time in that respect. He almost always put Fulmer out of his style of play by playing aggressive on O. Today almost all successful programs do that. Pruitt... did not.

Again, list the specific players that are tapped out of potential and are just duds. You named one then painted the whole team with that brush.

I know you get your jollies telling UT fans that they shouldn't have hope or expectations so you continuing this argument really isn't a surprise.
 
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#86
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tennesseeduke said:
UT vs UK last 5 yrs = 4-1
UT vs Missouri last 5 yrs = 4-1
UT vs SC last 5 yrs = 2-3 (2 in a row)
10-5 total

Sorry but we have been better than these 3 by a long way. Even as crappy as we have been.
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Thanks for that point.

Even through really bad coaching... talent has carried UT over these teams.
 
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#87
#87
sjt18 said:
What about Ole Miss impresses you so much?
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Nothing impresses me about them. I just don't think our defense will be able to stop their offense. I think a lot of people are underestimating how much the transfers and decommitments are going to hurt next year.
 
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#88
#88
I also have no expectations. I would like it if our offense was fun to watch, though... that'd be enough to make me happy.
 
#89
#89
sjt18 said:
So you seriously do not believe changing from the scheme that Pruitt imposed on Chaney to an aggressive style of O that puts guys with sub 4.4 40's like Hyatt in space will make any difference at all, correct?

Yeah. that kind of change matters. Do you remember when Urban took over from Zook? Those players weren't even what he considered ideal for his system. Leak definitely wasn't. But by golly snap those fingers and suddenly they figured out how to play offense.

But only elites like Gator fans get to hope for such things... right?

JG is the one example you gave before making a sweeping generalization. JG was a mistake that Pruitt kept making.... and making... and making. Apparently the guy is a practice All-American who simply can't translate it to gameday. So you have proof that the rest of UT's roster is like that, right? UT just found all of the 4* and 5* busts in those classes?

How many of those drafted players are expected to line up for those schools this fall? Jones last couple of classes sucked. No argument there.



So your contention is that the recruiting ratings are meaningless, correct? For all you know UF may be no more talented than UK, right? Or are they only meaningful when it is convenient to you for them to be meaningful. Coaching matters. I still think Pruitt is a good teacher of the game. He isn't a Head Coach. I hope he has a long, successful career as an NFL assistant and never tries to lead a whole staff again.

Can you honestly say that UT would have been 3-7 with Mullen as HC last year? Do you think they would have lost to GSU or BYU the year before?

Oh BY THE WAY.... You didn't just suggest that UT was equal in talent to these teams. Your smart... aleck... comment that making a bowl would be a good accomplishment says that UT won't win more than one against these opponents... and will be lucky to do that.


You continue to ignore the impact of Pruitt and especially his philosophy of play. He tried to play Fulmer ball from the 90's in an era when spread offenses won't allow that. Spurrier was way ahead of his time in that respect. He almost always put Fulmer out of his style of play by playing aggressive on O. Today almost all successful programs do that. Pruitt... did not.

Again, list the specific players that are tapped out of potential and are just duds. You named one then painted the whole team with that brush.

I know you get your jollies telling UT fans that they shouldn't have hope or expectations so you continuing this argument really isn't a surprise.
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The Florida offense averaged more total yards in 2004 than it did in 2005 and 2006.

The Florida offense did not take off until Tim Tebow became the starting QB in 2007 along with a healthy Percy Harvin and the addition of the Pouncey twins and the tight end who’s name I won’t mention.

Not a good example to make your point
 
#90
#90
ftsandersvol said:
Nothing impresses me about them. I just don't think our defense will be able to stop their offense. I think a lot of people are underestimating how much the transfers and decommitments are going to hurt next year.
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The transfers will hurt. The decommitments aren't going to hurt that much right away.

How much transfers hurt... comes down to the talent of the guys behind them and coaching. I think we can assume more about the talent than the coaching but... Monte Kiffin made a good D out of patches and scraps. Good coaches do those kinds of things. Many of us have forgotten because we haven't had a truly well coached team in a very long time.
 
#91
#91
99gator said:
The Florida offense averaged more total yards in 2004 than it did in 2005 and 2006.

The Florida offense did not take off until Tim Tebow became the starting QB in 2007 along with a healthy Percy Harvin and the addition of the Pouncey twins and the tight end who’s name I won’t mention.

Not a good example to make your point
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But the point still stands. Coaching makes a difference and it doesn't take decades or even 4 years if it is going to happen at all. Meyer won more games with Zook's players in year one than Zook did in 3. In year two with Leak at QB he went to the NC game.

And AGAIN... this isn't just a scheme change. This is a change in philosophy on how to play the game.

As offensive as it is to you... you may just have to live with some UT fans having hope that a change at QB and HC just might improve performance.
 
#92
#92
sjt18 said:
But the point still stands. Coaching makes a difference and it doesn't take decades or even 4 years if it is going to happen at all. Meyer won more games with Zook's players in year one than Zook did in 3. In year two with Leak at QB he went to the NC game.


And AGAIN... this isn't just a scheme change. This is a change in philosophy on how to play the game.

As offensive as it is to you... you may just have to live with some UT fans having hope that a change at QB and HC just might improve performance.
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Yes. And 6-6 would be an improvement
 
#94
#94
Yall keep pointing to the schedule but there is zero about this returning group under a new system that makes me think 8 wins is achievable.
QB could be decent or a problem again. Who is running the ball? What about HT being gone? The DL? I have no reason for hope for this year or high expectations.
I do expect it to be more lively and more fun and probably not a ton of blowouts thanks to the schedule. It will be refreshing at the least. Looking forward to it.
 
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