2021 Fall Practice #7

[Orange defense]

We can see judging from one practice to another, CH is adding step by steps to the quarterbacks. Creating his system little by little. I think by practice #15, they’ll have everything down along with the wide receivers and running backs. I think the offensive line is doing it to, they’ll have all the steps down on what to do. By all, I think we will see it by the 1st game.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Why on EARTH would Mullen want a QB that different from his prototype? There are programs he fits relatively well. UNC comes to mind. Even UGA. I can't think of any QB that has played for Mullen that wasn't mobile and an asset in the run game.

It seems like you are vesting yourself emotionally in Bailey. Why not pull for all of them while recognizing all of their strengths and weaknesses? This is going to work itself out soon enough.

There are a lot of people doing this. It's pretty bizarre imo to pull for one specific quarterback on the team rather than pull for all of them and may the best man win.

 

[sjt18]

False.

I do not agree he winds up or uses "pop up" throws. In fact, he has a pretty refined delivery testifying of a lot of great development in HS and below. Technically- I think he does almost everything well. Where it does seem he's had some trouble is the speed at which he can do it. Several times it has taken him an extra step to get in throwing position on rollouts. He's slower in rush evasion drills.

However he does appear to have the weakest arm in terms of pure strength. Doesn't mean he has a weak arm. Doesn't mean he won't do enough other things better to earn the job. It simply means he doesn't have the ability to throw with the same velocity or flat trajectory as the others.

I am fully on board with the possibility that we may not be seeing the parts of practice that favor Bailey most. It is completely possible that he gets more accurate when there's a defender. Sort of like a pitcher who struggles to throw strikes without someone in the batter's box- just needs a "frame" around the window. If he wins it then he will excel over the others in decision making. We see pretty much none of that. In fact, the reporters have seen very little of the deep throws that Heupel says will be a staple in his O.

We're just arguing over what we've seen shaded by whatever bias a person might have and our perceptions of past performance and what they mean to current ability (which I hope isn't much).

 

[Carp]

You know these guys watch 10 minutes of practice and they assume that Bailey has a weak arm. He doesn’t throw a every throw 100 mph. I was told the other day and practice every QBs arm was hurting except for Bailey’s why because he’s not going to throw routes on air 100 mph because he’s smarter than that. I do know for a fact that they were testing ball velocity over the summer with Jordan Palmer and he tested throwing a pro football 55 mph. So this narrative of a weak arm is laughable because none of them know what they’re talking about.

In the baseball world, we like to call this the difference between pitching and throwing. Taking 4-5 MPH off your fastball is often preferred because it let's you have better control over pitches. I suspect this true for Bailey, which is why he always seems to have nice touch on his passes. This is also something JG couldn't grasp. He would rifle the ball as hard as he could on every pass over the middle.

 

[sjt18]

There are a lot of people doing this. It's pretty bizarre imo to pull for one specific quarterback on the team rather than pull for all of them and may the best man win.

In my "dream", it would be neck and neck with all being so good and consistent that Heupel has to flip a coin to see who gets the first shot.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Everyone needs to pump the brakes on discounting HB bc he doesn’t have as strong of an arm as the rest of the room. I’ll tell you who actually didn’t have a laser rocket arm….This guy.

Neither did #7 in the early 2000’s. There is still a place in the game for quarterbacks getting guys in the right sets and throwing a catchable ball. I’ll take the guy that knows the offense over the workout warriors who don’t know the playbook or are more focused on showcasing their arm talent by trying to zip the ball into impossible windows. Doesn’t mean I pulling for Bailey to win the job, it just means I think it would be foolish for anyone to discount him bc he doesn’t try to throw it threw a concrete wall every time .

 

[sjt18]

In the baseball world, we like to call this the difference between pitching and throwing. Taking 4-5 MPH off your fastball is often preferred because it let's you have better control over pitches. I suspect this true for Bailey, which is why he always seems to have nice touch on his passes. This is also something JG couldn't grasp. He would rifle the ball as hard as he could on every pass over the middle.

That's true. Greg Maddux made a career with an 85 mph fastball perfectly placed. But... he's the exception and teams are looking for the guy who can throw 98 figuring they can teach them a change up.

 

[sjt18]

Everyone needs to pump the brakes on discounting HB bc he doesn’t have as strong of an arm as the rest of the room. I’ll tell you who actually didn’t have a laser rocket arm….This guy.
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Neither did #7 in the early 2000’s. There is still a place in the game for quarterbacks getting guys in the right sets and throwing a catchable ball. I’ll take the guy that knows the offense over the workout warriors who don’t know the playbook or are more focused on showcasing their arm talent by trying to zip the ball into impossible windows. Doesn’t mean I pulling for Bailey to win the job, it just means I think it would be foolish for anyone to discount him bc he doesn’t try to throw it threw a concrete wall every time .

Manning had plenty of arm and zipped the ball into tight windows his entire career.

 

[Carp]

I do not agree he winds up or uses "pop up" throws. In fact, he has a pretty refined delivery testifying of a lot of great development in HS and below. Technically- I think he does almost everything well. Where it does seem he's had some trouble is the speed at which he can do it. Several times it has taken him an extra step to get in throwing position on rollouts. He's slower in rush evasion drills.

However he does appear to have the weakest arm in terms of pure strength. Doesn't mean he has a weak arm. Doesn't mean he won't do enough other things better to earn the job. It simply means he doesn't have the ability to throw with the same velocity or flat trajectory as the others.

I am fully on board with the possibility that we may not be seeing the parts of practice that favor Bailey most. It is completely possible that he gets more accurate when there's a defender. Sort of like a pitcher who struggles to throw strikes without someone in the batter's box- just needs a "frame" around the window. If he wins it then he will excel over the others in decision making. We see pretty much none of that. In fact, the reporters have seen very little of the deep throws that Heupel says will be a staple in his O.

We're just arguing over what we've seen shaded by whatever bias a person might have and our perceptions of past performance and what they mean to current ability (which I hope isn't much).

I don't know if he has the "weakest arm of the bunch" or not. Milton seems to have a noticeably stronger arm than any of them per reports though, so I'm comfortable saying Bailey is likely behind him. How anyone make a definitive statement that his arm is the weakest of the bunch is silly to me though. By all accounts, he has a strong arm. It isn't like we're talking Chad Pennington here.

 

[Carp]

That's true. Greg Maddux made a career with an 85 mph fastball perfectly placed. But... he's the exception and teams are looking for the guy who can throw 98 figuring they can teach them a change up.

The game changes, but the overall concept remains the same. Braves recently called up a young guy that was routinely throwing high 90's in AAA, but was constantly wild. He's been sitting low 90's in the majors with an ERA below 3.

 

[jarnol32]

Arm doesn't look that weak bruh...

Weakest of any scholarship qb, and other than hooker it’s not close.

 

[sjt18]

JG was not faster than Bailey is. Maybe in high school that was the case. But JG looked like he was running with lead shoes when he was here.

I am pretty sure that he was. But neither are runners and neither compare well to the guys Bailey needs to beat out.

As far as how he compares to Milton/Hooker, that isn't really the point.

Well, yeah, it really is the point. Each of these guys brings something to the table. I would agree that Bailey's polish and ability to stick with his reads and progressions is a distinct advantage over what we have on video for Milton at Michigan. But being able to run the ball matters. Being able to escape the pocket and make a play rather than taking a sack matters a lot.

Bailey is definitely mobile enough to not be a statue.

Compared to the "average" college QB today... he's a statue.

I do agree that he fits UNCs system well though. If he does transfer outside the SEC, I would imagine that is where he ends up.

Where? Ole Miss, TAM, UF, Auburn (maybe), Bama, and UK all seem to favor mobile QB's. I personally think UNC or UVA or Mich St or a like school would be a better landing spot than Vandy, Arkansas, USCe, etc. He could possibly go to UGA or LSU but assuming he doesn't win the job at UT those options don't seem more favorable.

I'm not saying he doesn't have SEC level talent in a system that fits him. I am just not seeing a system that fits him that is up to what he should expect.

 

[rdk4121]

JG had the biggest arm of any quarterback in recent memory except for Tyler Bray. He was also a terrible quarterback. Obviously having a big arm can be a nice thing, but it is certainly not the end all for being a good quarterback.

 

[dcm3w]

We can see judging from one practice to another, CH is adding step by steps to the quarterbacks. Creating his system little by little. I think by practice #15, they’ll have everything down along with the wide receivers and running backs. I think the offensive line is doing it to, they’ll have all the steps down on what to do. By all, I think we will see it by the 1st game.

It sounds like they're hammering all the details and reps in which is good. Competition and reps are insanely valuable with the teaching of proper mechanics. Although...it could just be the media hyping things up like they normally do.

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[Orange defense]

It sounds like they're hammering all the details and reps in which is good. Competition and reps are insanely valuable with the teaching of proper mechanics. Although...it could just be the media hyping things up like they normally do.

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Well! By looking at the videos from the 1sr practice till now, it looks like they are adding little wrinkles to the offense slowly.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Manning had plenty of arm and zipped the ball into tight windows his entire career.

Just saying that for everything Manning is known for, it was never his arm strength. A lot of people saw Ryan Leaf as the better pick for that reason.

 

[sjt18]

Just saying that for everything Manning is known for, it was never his arm strength. A lot of people saw Ryan Leaf as the better pick for that reason.

They did. But Leaf was already an idiot with behavior questions iirc. He and Jeff George are two of the biggest wastes of talent I can remember.

 

[sjt18]

JG had the biggest arm of any quarterback in recent memory except for Tyler Bray. He was also a terrible quarterback. Obviously having a big arm can be a nice thing, but it is certainly not the end all for being a good quarterback.

JG had a really long delivery. He kind of had a little bit of a wind up. That made his inability to anticipate even worse.

 

[sjt18]

I don't know if he has the "weakest arm of the bunch" or not. Milton seems to have a noticeably stronger arm than any of them per reports though, so I'm comfortable saying Bailey is likely behind him. How anyone make a definitive statement that his arm is the weakest of the bunch is silly to me though. By all accounts, he has a strong arm. It isn't like we're talking Chad Pennington here.

Hooker has actually changed my mind. And you are right, there is less separation between Hooker and Bailey than those two and Milton or even Maurer when he was around.

That's actually a good thing for Hooker. Based on what he looked like at VT and other video, I was pretty certain he had the weakest arm of the group. The practice videos appear to show him flatter on the comeback routes. Those throws show arm strength better than the other stuff they're letting us see.

It is also possible that one guy could have more velocity on flat throws while the other has more depth on deep throws.

 

[OLB19_76]

Even if it a 1 or 3 MPH its a huge difference in reaching a sideline throw...difference between 90 and 87 mph fastball are huge...in football it translate to great coverage on a slant not being picked off because it was thrown faster and harder then the coverage could react..Milton hit a 55 yard laser at Michigan on a rope...HB can't do that without a windup and a popup throw...he has the weakest arm in the room..period

You just have no clue but it’s ok their are a lot of people like you

 

[VolForLife83]

Gotta say...that OL looks good on paper...hopefully it performs better than the last few years

It's been looking good on paper for years. Game day is a different story

 

[sjt18]

You just have no clue but it’s ok their are a lot of people like you

He's not wrong about velocity being important on throws outside the hashes or that Milton made some really amazing throws that neither Hooker nor Bailey have the physical ability to make.

 

[sjt18]

It's been looking good on paper for years. Game day is a different story

I think the scheme and playbook may help this one be better.

I won't hold the current staff guilty for the sins of past staffs... but UT's futility on the OL has been pretty amazing considering the talent that has passed through.

 

[BigALWiLson]

I think the scheme and playbook may help this one be better.

I won't hold the current staff guilty for the sins of past staffs... but UT's futility on the OL has been pretty amazing considering the talent that has passed through.

This I would agree with 1000% it is truly mind blowing actually

 

[whodeycin85]

You just have no clue but it’s ok their are a lot of people like you

No clue..which part??