2021 Fall Practice #7

#76
#76
BigALWiLson said:

Arm doesn't look that weak bruh...
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You know these guys watch 10 minutes of practice and they assume that Bailey has a weak arm. He doesn’t throw a every throw 100 mph. I was told the other day and practice every QBs arm was hurting except for Bailey’s why because he’s not going to throw routes on air 100 mph because he’s smarter than that. I do know for a fact that they were testing ball velocity over the summer with Jordan Palmer and he tested throwing a pro football 55 mph. So this narrative of a weak arm is laughable because none of them know what they’re talking about.
 
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OLB19_76 said:
You know these guys watch 10 minutes of practice and they assume that Bailey has a weak arm. He doesn’t throw a every throw 100 mph. I was told the other day and practice every QBs arm was hurting except for Bailey’s why because he’s not going to throw routes on air 100 mph because he’s smarter than that. I do know for a fact that they were testing ball velocity over the summer with Jordan Palmer and he tested throwing a pro football 55 mph. So this narrative of a weak arm is laughable because none of them know what they’re talking about.
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hypothetically...if Milton can throw 20 mph faster.and hooker 10mph.doesnt that make his arm the weakest???
 
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Here is my dilemma, people act as if HB is some noodle armed nobody. Say his recievers carried him in HS, that coaches don't like him etc. The guy played with limited practice, no spring and was still able to do good work with a ****** coaching staff. I was excited for his trajectory. Now we get a kid from Michigan who we really do not know anything about that also has a lot of work to do thats been in college 3 full years. Everyone loses their minds. Hooker looks to be more well rounded than both right now. He wasn't exactly amazing under the lights either at VT. So we have a real QB competition. I happen to like Bailey and think he can be a tremendous asset to us now and going forward. I don't know as much about the other two guys. If one of them wins the job which it looks like they have a good shot, I have said I will get behind whoever JH picks to lead us.
 
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#79
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BigALWiLson said:
I think if Bailey leaves he is UF bound and will likely stomp our ass for the remainder of his College Career
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Why on EARTH would Mullen want a QB that different from his prototype? There are programs he fits relatively well. UNC comes to mind. Even UGA. I can't think of any QB that has played for Mullen that wasn't mobile and an asset in the run game.

It seems like you are vesting yourself emotionally in Bailey. Why not pull for all of them while recognizing all of their strengths and weaknesses? This is going to work itself out soon enough.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
hypothetically...if Milton can throw 20 mph faster.and hooker 10mph.doesnt that make his arm the weakest???
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Good question and the answer in yes. If those guys throw that much faster they should pick up baseball because Josh Allen only threw the ball 57 at the same facility. So if Milton is throwing it 75 and hooker 65 that is above elite in the NFL and both will be gone next to a pro team. JS
 
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#81
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OLB19_76 said:
You know these guys watch 10 minutes of practice and they assume that Bailey has a weak arm. He doesn’t throw a every throw 100 mph. I was told the other day and practice every QBs arm was hurting except for Bailey’s why because he’s not going to throw routes on air 100 mph because he’s smarter than that. I do know for a fact that they were testing ball velocity over the summer with Jordan Palmer and he tested throwing a pro football 55 mph. So this narrative of a weak arm is laughable because none of them know what they’re talking about.
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No sound, reasonable, rational argument can EVER be built on a false premise.

So before dealing with any of the rest... can you point to those you mean by the bold? If you can, I'll oppose them with you. Bailey has the least arm strength of the 3.... or seems to by what we've been given to watch and by reports. That doesn't mean he has a weak arm.
 
#82
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BigALWiLson said:
Here is my dilemma, people act as if HB is some noodle armed nobody. Say his recievers carried him in HS, that coaches don't like him etc. The guy played with limited practice, no spring and was still able to do good work with a ****** coaching staff. I was excited for his trajectory. Now we get a kid from Michigan who we really do not know anything about that also has a lot of work to do thats been in college 3 full years. Everyone loses their minds. Hooker looks to be more well rounded than both right now. He wasn't exactly amazing under the lights either at VT. So we have a real QB competition. I happen to like Bailey and think he can be a tremendous asset to us now and going forward. I don't know as much about the other two guys. If one of them wins the job which it looks like they have a good shot, I have said I will get behind whoever JH picks to lead us.
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Specifically who is saying that? It is the whole premise for your arguments. So for your arguments to have any merit at all... your premise has to be an objective fact. So who specifically has acted as if he is a "noodle armed nobody"?

Best I can tell, those you are arguing against still think he's one guy in a talented room who has strengths and weaknesses just like the rest.
 
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I for one think HB is a noodle armed nobody. Just thought I would leave that totally original thought I just had in here now.
 
#84
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sjt18 said:
Competition matters. If he played against Bama and one of the others played against Vandy then it would be ridiculous to say the latter was better than him based on "performance".

He played with the White and Orange. Numbers wise Hooker and Maurer threw more balls for more yardage vs the 1's. Both were over 100... he had 65.

He does not have a "noodle arm". That's not what anyone here that I've seen argues. They argue the comparison between him and the others. I came into this thinking that Bailey had a slight arm strength advantage over Hooker. The practice videos appear to show the opposite albeit very limited info. He has also been off target more than the others.

That doesn't mean he's not doing something to make up the difference in periods we don't see.... but it is all we have.

Danny Wuerffel had one of the worst arms of any SEC starter I've ever seen. He was one of the better QB's. He's definitely an exception and I don't expect to see HB at that level... but the other parts of being a QB count too.
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He played against Florida and Texas A&M last season he moved the football against both of them. With little practice and no spring. I'm not going to change my opinion of him having a high ceiling. Sure he made mistakes but he looked better than every QB we had. Now they are all gone. And all had more game and practice time. Maybe its smart to start Hooker for now. Let's see some of Milton and possibly red shirt HB if he doesn't transfer.
 
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OLB19_76 said:
Good question and the answer in yes. If those guys throw that much faster they should pick up baseball because Josh Allen only threw the ball 57 at the same facility. So if Milton is throwing it 75 and hooker 65 that is above elite in the NFL and both will be gone next to a pro team. JS
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Why evade the real point of the comment? Hypotheticals are not meant to take literally. Are you admitting that Bailey has the weaker arm and that it could be a disadvantage to him?
 
#86
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OLB19_76 said:
Good question and the answer in yes. If those guys throw that much faster they should pick up baseball because Josh Allen only threw the ball 57 at the same facility. So if Milton is throwing it 75 and hooker 65 that is above elite in the NFL and both will be gone next to a pro team. JS
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Even if it a 1 or 3 MPH its a huge difference in reaching a sideline throw...difference between 90 and 87 mph fastball are huge...in football it translate to great coverage on a slant not being picked off because it was thrown faster and harder then the coverage could react..Milton hit a 55 yard laser at Michigan on a rope...HB can't do that without a windup and a popup throw...he has the weakest arm in the room..period
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Even if it a 1 or 3 MPH its a huge difference in reaching a sideline throw...difference between 90 and 87 mph fastball are huge...in football it translate to great coverage on a slant not being picked off because it was thrown faster and harder then the coverage could react..Milton hit a 55 yard laser at Michigan on a rope...HB can't do that without a windup and a popup throw...he has the weakest arm in the room..period
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False.
 
#89
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BigALWiLson said:
Spring game doesnt matter now. But taking a dump on his O&W game performance is crazy talk. He out performed the other Qbs that day period. He played with the 1s, 2s and 3s. In live action. Not routes on air. He has also thrown the ball well in the SEC when he played. The notion he has a noodle arm is BS
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Bro his TDs were against white cornerbacks that you couldn’t name if your life depended on it 😂
 
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sjt18 said:
Why on EARTH would Mullen want a QB that different from his prototype? There are programs he fits relatively well. UNC comes to mind. Even UGA. I can't think of any QB that has played for Mullen that wasn't mobile and an asset in the run game.

It seems like you are vesting yourself emotionally in Bailey. Why not pull for all of them while recognizing all of their strengths and weaknesses? This is going to work itself out soon enough.
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I don't know where the notion comes from the Bailey isn't mobile. He won't be winning any track meets, but he's far from being JG back there.

And Kyle Trask literally had one of the best years in recent memory last year with Mullen whilst not being very mobile. I don't even think he had a sub-5 40 time.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
He played against Florida and Texas A&M last season he moved the football against both of them. With little practice and no spring. I'm not going to change my opinion of him having a high ceiling. Sure he made mistakes but he looked better than every QB we had. Now they are all gone. And all had more game and practice time. Maybe its smart to start Hooker for now. Let's see some of Milton and possibly red shirt HB if he doesn't transfer.
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Time will tell. If he doesn't start this year then the O may simply move away from a design that gives him a good chance to compete. In that case, it would be in his best interest to find a place where he can start and make his mark. Jackson's skill set indicates Heupel is looking for someone physically more like Hooker than Bailey.

He had a good 5 play scoring drive vs TAM capped off by a TD pass. He followed that by a 3 and out then a 4 play drive and fumble. Pruitt stupidly yanked him at that point with Shrout playing several series before HB returned for a 4 play 10 yard drive. That was later in the season when he had had more practice and had already played in several games.

Versus UF he produced 111 yds and 7 points in 10 drives. Shrout led two scoring drives to end the game after UF went prevent.

I just don't see those as good examples of him moving the ball.

I have not said he does not have a high ceiling. I have said numerous times that I believe all four guys have SEC caliber talent. But strictly in terms of pure physical talent, he is the least talented guy in the room. That's more a testimony to the talent Heupel was able to bring to that room than anything else.
 
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Carp said:
I don't know where the notion comes from the Bailey isn't mobile. He won't be winning any track meets, but he's far from being JG back there.
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JG was faster and more nimble than Bailey. That's not saying he was particularly fast or nimble... Bailey knows it though and has put work into trying to become more mobile. That's just something that is very difficult to improve. If he wins the job then it will not be because he has anything to offer running the ball other than maybe squirting out like he did a few times last year for 4 or 5 yards when the pocket breaks down.

Be honest. How would you compare his running ability "on video" to that of Hooker or Milton?

And Kyle Trask literally had one of the best years in recent memory last year with Mullen whilst not being very mobile. I don't even think he had a sub-5 40 time.
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I'll give you that. However I would consider Trask an exception rather than the rule. But you are correct. Mullen had success with him... but not by "choice". The UF fans bristle but if Franks doesn't get hurt... the world never knows who Trask is.
 
#95
#95
whodeycin85 said:
Got proof. Considering his air years were 43.94% of his total yard tells us he can't or won't make thro3se throws..probaly a bit of both..but thanks for your detailed analysis
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You're the one making the claim, you provide the evidence. He threw dime in the O&W down the sideline for roughly 50 yards in the air.
 
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#96
Woodlawn VOL said:
I don't think Bailey will leave yet even if he doesn't win the job. Just my hunch, I will probably be wrong. But with Hooker being a senior I think MIlton and Bailey will stay at least 1 more year to see how it shakes the following season. Next year Jackson is probably going to need the first year to get stronger and learn the system and at least you have Milton and Bailey both at least 1 more year. GBO!
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Hooker has two years of eligibility tho.
 
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sjt18 said:
Specifically who is saying that? It is the whole premise for your arguments. So for your arguments to have any merit at all... your premise has to be an objective fact. So who specifically has acted as if he is a "noodle armed nobody"?

Best I can tell, those you are arguing against still think he's one guy in a talented room who has strengths and weaknesses just like the rest.
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Read this thread bro. That is all I will say. Forget it this will all be swept under the rug soon. If you are going to the Sept. 2 game I will even buy you a beer. Hopefully whoever the qb is the team responds and they play well. What I hope is if one struggles Heupel makes the switch and goes to the next guy
 
#99
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What are you morans all worked up about? It appears we have 3 solid choices--let's not denigrate some for the benefit of others when none of y'all know a dang thing about what the coaches are seeing and expecting.
 
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sjt18 said:
JG was faster and more nimble than Bailey. That's not saying he was particularly fast or nimble... Bailey knows it though and has put work into trying to become more mobile. That's just something that is very difficult to improve. If he wins the job then it will not be because he has anything to offer running the ball other than maybe squirting out like he did a few times last year for 4 or 5 yards when the pocket breaks down.

Be honest. How would you compare his running ability "on video" to that of Hooker or Milton?
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JG was not faster than Bailey is. Maybe in high school that was the case. But JG looked like he was running with lead shoes when he was here.

As far as how he compares to Milton/Hooker, that isn't really the point. Bailey is definitely mobile enough to not be a statue. I do agree that he fits UNCs system well though. If he does transfer outside the SEC, I would imagine that is where he ends up.
 
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