2021 Fall Practice #7

#51
#51
Look, I'm still scarred from the JG era, so it doesn't really compute to me that they are good in practice. I like watching the video's, but ultimately, because of the past, I can't believe my eyes until after the 3rd game probably. At that point, if we have a consistent, high quality starter, the JG scars will start to disappear.
 
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miket4god said:
I haven't seen that at all. To me the only advantage Hooker has is mobility/running ability (which isn't a small thing by any means).
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Just stating my perception. Bailey's ball just doesn't appear as flat. I notice it mostly on the come back routes they're throwing a lot. It is less noticeable on throws over the middle.

Only referencing the videos we've been able to see, I don't think there's much question he's been off target more. That was surprising to me as well.
 
#53
#53
Some of us might need to watch the Spring game again (or for the first time). It's the only game experience footage we have for this year so far and Bailey looked the best, by far. He isn't going anywhere. I understand the edge mobility gives an offense, but Bailey's arm and the explosiveness he brings to an offense is superior to extreme mobility IMO.
 
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BradstarVols said:
Some of us might need to watch the Spring game again (or for the first time). It's the only game experience footage we have for this year so far and Bailey looked the best, by far. He isn't going anywhere. I understand the edge mobility gives an offense, but Bailey's arm and the explosiveness he brings to an offense is superior to extreme mobility IMO.
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He was playing against 4th string…
 
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BradstarVols said:
Some of us might need to watch the Spring game again (or for the first time). It's the only game experience footage we have for this year so far and Bailey looked the best, by far. He isn't going anywhere. I understand the edge mobility gives an offense, but Bailey's arm and the explosiveness he brings to an offense is superior to extreme mobility IMO.
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Bailey has the weakest arm on the team, and his spring game highlights were accumulated against a bunch of walk ons…
 
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sjt18 said:
I think you make a good point but IMO Milton falls to 3rd if they're unable to get him to be consistent with his decisions and throws.

Reports have talked about efforts to correct something with his footwork so they may believe part of his inconsistency is related to mechanics. At Michigan there were times when he just seemed to go Steve Sax. He became wild with his throws. At other times, he just flat out seemed to make awful decisions and throw it to the other team.

If he can't work past that then my best guess is Hooker then Bailey. If he can then IMO he rises to the top and Bailey falls to 3rd.

And... if Milton is "close enough" I would not be surprised to see him get the first shot. Even if he's higher risks... he does some things that would make the reward worth it.
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enjoyed the sax comparison
 
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I don't think Bailey will leave yet even if he doesn't win the job. Just my hunch, I will probably be wrong. But with Hooker being a senior I think MIlton and Bailey will stay at least 1 more year to see how it shakes the following season. Next year Jackson is probably going to need the first year to get stronger and learn the system and at least you have Milton and Bailey both at least 1 more year. GBO!
 
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I would be ecstatic if the QB who brings the most athletic advantages could become the starter.

But there is an inherent need in this offense to stay on the field and get points. With this extra-fast offense, even more than most teams we need a positive turnover ratio.

So I'm sure the final choice will come down to who executes the offense most efficiently--even if his arm or feet are second-best and unexciting.
 
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BradstarVols said:
Oh so the other QBs in the Spring game were playing against better competition then?
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Spring game doesnt matter now. But taking a dump on his O&W game performance is crazy talk. He out performed the other Qbs that day period. He played with the 1s, 2s and 3s. In live action. Not routes on air. He has also thrown the ball well in the SEC when he played. The notion he has a noodle arm is BS
 
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#63
How many scholarship players do we have? With the amount of players that left this offseason in addition to guys like Maurer, we ought to be able to recruit 25 a year for the next several seasons.
 
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BradstarVols said:
Oh so the other QBs in the Spring game were playing against better competition then?

And if his arm is so weak why was he so highly touted?
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Cuz he committed early. And wasnt reevaluated as frequently...still only a composite 4 star in what might end up a weak QB class
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Arm doesn't look that weak bruh...
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Of the 3 guys projected by our lads at the split end WR position, Ramel Keyton is the slowest. That can only be understood in the context of Calloway and Hyatt being faster on a fairly elite scale. IOW's, Keyton isn't slow.

Bailey having the weakest arm of this particular group... doesn't mean he has a rag arm.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Spring game doesnt matter now. But taking a dump on his O&W game performance is crazy talk. He out performed the other Qbs that day period. He played with the 1s, 2s and 3s. In live action. Not routes on air. He has also thrown the ball well in the SEC when he played. The notion he has a noodle arm is BS
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That's exactly my point. In the only game-time experience that we have seen, Bailey has been great. Sure, he might not be the top when it comes to practice drills, but ultimately what transpires on the field in real game situations is what matters and Bailey has impressed so far. Can't say the same for Milton in his past game experiences and Hooker hasn't been terrible but he seems more of a game manager than a guy who can bring the explosiveness Bailey can potentially bring.
 
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sjt18 said:
Of the 3 guys projected by our lads at the split end WR position, Ramel Keyton is the slowest. That can only be understood in the context of Calloway and Hyatt being faster on a fairly elite scale. IOW's, Keyton isn't slow.

Bailey having the weakest arm of this particular group... doesn't mean he has a rag arm.
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True. They have already mentioned issues with hitting certain sideline routes....which could be an arm strength issue or timing or both..none of which is a good thing
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Spring game doesnt matter now. But taking a dump on his O&W game performance is crazy talk. He out performed the other Qbs that day period. He played with the 1s, 2s and 3s. In live action. Not routes on air. He has also thrown the ball well in the SEC when he played. The notion he has a noodle arm is BS
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Competition matters. If he played against Bama and one of the others played against Vandy then it would be ridiculous to say the latter was better than him based on "performance".

He played with the White and Orange. Numbers wise Hooker and Maurer threw more balls for more yardage vs the 1's. Both were over 100... he had 65.

He does not have a "noodle arm". That's not what anyone here that I've seen argues. They argue the comparison between him and the others. I came into this thinking that Bailey had a slight arm strength advantage over Hooker. The practice videos appear to show the opposite albeit very limited info. He has also been off target more than the others.

That doesn't mean he's not doing something to make up the difference in periods we don't see.... but it is all we have.

Danny Wuerffel had one of the worst arms of any SEC starter I've ever seen. He was one of the better QB's. He's definitely an exception and I don't expect to see HB at that level... but the other parts of being a QB count too.
 
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I think Harrison can be a guy like a trask or Mack Jones* that waits his turn and becomes the guy and kills it when it’s his time… not the best physically but is mentally sharp and can make every throw needed… it does not have the zip of others and at this current moment Milton or hooker seem like the more ready options nothing wrong with that covid and Pruitt hindered every Qb on the roster… we forget about patience and what being in the same system for multiple years does… just be patient with HB15 he will be a good player for us… let’s go vols
 
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BoroVol93 said:
I think Harrison can be a guy like a trask or Mack brown that waits his turn and becomes the guy and kills it when it’s his time… not the best physically but is mentally sharp and can make every throw needed… it does not have the zip of others and at this current moment Milton or hooker seem like the more ready options nothing wrong with that covid and Pruitt hindered every Qb on the roster… we forget about patience and what being in the same system for multiple years does… just be patient with HB15 he will be a good player for us… let’s go vols
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I truly hope he grinds and waits his turn and then balls out
 
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BoroVol93 said:
I think Harrison can be a guy like a trask or Mack Jones* that waits his turn and becomes the guy and kills it when it’s his time… not the best physically but is mentally sharp and can make every throw needed… it does not have the zip of others and at this current moment Milton or hooker seem like the more ready options nothing wrong with that covid and Pruitt hindered every Qb on the roster… we forget about patience and what being in the same system for multiple years does… just be patient with HB15 he will be a good player for us… let’s go vols
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I wish him the best whether at UT or somewhere else.

But in my completely honest opinion... if he doesn't start and with the prospect of Jackson coming in with very similar skill sets to the guy who beat Bailey out... I think he will leave. I would fully expect his exit to be more "business like" than Maurer's but I don't think he can or maybe even should wait around to compete for a job in an offense that doesn't necessarily fit him perfectly.
 
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I think if Bailey leaves he is UF bound and will likely stomp our ass for the remainder of his College Career
 
#75
#75
sjt18 said:
I wish him the best whether at UT or somewhere else.

But in my completely honest opinion... if he doesn't start and with the prospect of Jackson coming in with very similar skill sets to the guy who beat Bailey out... I think he will leave. I would fully expect his exit to be more "business like" than Maurer's but I don't think he can or maybe even should wait around to compete for a job in an offense that doesn't necessarily fit him perfectly.
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I see that point and I understand that as a possibility… I’m sure mac had to deal with the same thing with Bryce young and trask with Emory jones… but I understand they didn’t have near the hype of HB and that could play a big role in the NIL era in his decision…
 
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