2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

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beneVOLence said:
After watching QD in the bowl game the other day, if JG is only 5 places better than QD then he is not very good because QD was terrible. Also being the 54 PFF QB out of about 80 total QB’s is not very good.

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but we already knew dormady was horrible, which....check this out......is why he is no longer at Tennessee
 
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lexkyvol said:
Accept it would be the proper word to use there. And u get the speed in practice and based on what you are used to doing. HS OCs are good at hiding these deficiencies often. Shrout never played a down, yet went thru progressions better. Some people have it, some dont.
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FIRST: You’ve obviously not spent much time coaching. In practice they run MAYBE 70% full speed. And that’s the coaches that coach hard. In fact I challenge you to find a video of ANY practice that the players were going full speed. Especially WRs.
SECOND: if you make a comment like that, be ready to back it up because it’ll make a fool of you. BM (when he knows the offense and speed of the game) is probably the fastest through his reads. If you think otherwise you’ve obviously not watched his senior highlights.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’ve noticed that as well throughout the season. Regardless of what the haters THINK they seen I know the play calling went from 40/60 run heavy with JG to 60/40 pass heavy with Maurer. That alone tells me there’s more trust with Chaney in regards to Maurer than Pruitt and the three amigos that can’t add 2+2 together will lead us to believe.
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This is going to sound worse than I mean for it to... If Maurer had actually played a few 2nd halves, I’m betting the conservative run calls would’ve been called for him as well.
 
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GAVol said:
This is going to sound worse than I mean for it to... If Maurer had actually played a few 2nd halves, I’m betting the conservative run calls would’ve been called for him as well.
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As evidenced by UGA I beg to differ. But who knows?
 
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lexkyvol said:
Accept it would be the proper word to use there. And u get the speed in practice and based on what you are used to doing. HS OCs are good at hiding these deficiencies often. Shrout never played a down, yet went thru progressions better. Some people have it, some dont.
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Just thought I leave this for you so you can sit down to a plate of crow. Count how many times he goes through his progression or improvises. How many times he throws into dbl/triple coverage(decision making). Ignoring it won’t help after a comment like that.
 
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pimo1 said:
HE IS the most accurate QB we have by a huge margin. Maurer completed less than 50% of his passes JG completes almost 60.... simple math friend. The argument has always been which QB on our roster should be playing. I have pointed out many times that JG is not the best QB in the SEC he's just the best on this team currently. Comparing him to other QB's not on this team is kinda silly when you're arguing that he should be replaced. I can compare him to Hurts and Morrow and Tags all day but it does not good because they are not available to replace him.

Comparing the Stats period JG has demonstrably superior numbers in every relevant passing stat. By a HUGE margin. Simply Looing at stats JG is more likely to throw a completed ball to people on his own team. Much less likely to throw it to guys on the other team. More likely to throw a TD. More likely to complete the ball for a longer distance. More likely to win a game. All of those statements are inarguable because reality is real.

JG threw the ball 226 times this year. It was caught by our guys 134 times for 16 td's the other team caught it 6 times.. This means that 1/8 completions was a TD for him 1/14 attempts. He threw for 1 int per 38 passes.
Maurers numbers 72 attempts 34 completions 2 tds and 5 ints. This means 1 in 17 completions was a TD 1 in 36 attempts. was a TD and 1 in 14 poasses was an int.
Average yards per attempt? 8.6 for JG 7.3 for Maurer. Their sack rates were the same. Rushing Maurer was better.. he averaged 1 more ypc. 2.2 vs 1.2 SO realistically his one advantage was nullified by the fact he got hit for bigger losses.

Its really simple bro people did the same thing with JG they did with Dobbs and the last few coaches. They scream for their heads without realizing they are all we have for now and there is no better option out there. The coaches gave Maurer every chance possible. He either got hurt or flamed out every time (mostly both). JG kept stepping up to the plate and performed better and won us games. IF you want to blame JG for every loss we got this year then you also have to credit him for every win because neither Maurer or Shrout won us a single game. These are facts. Please show me different something other than "my eyes said Maurer throws a prettier pass".
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Only problem with your evaluation is Maurer played against much much better teams than jg. Jg stats are the whole season including supposed to be cup cake teams. A true comparison would be what they did against the same teams. And even that would not be a true comparison because jg has had much more game preperation for the games. I would like to see the stats when they played against the same team for a true comparison. And also with Shrout, not counting mop up duty against chatt, when they were not given the same preps. From the Ga. game only when maurer first started, and from shrouts first start. then you would have a true comparison.
 
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cgrish said:
Only problem with your evaluation is Maurer played against much much better teams than jg. Jg stats are the whole season including supposed to be cup cake teams. A true comparison would be what they did against the same teams. And even that would not be a true comparison because jg has had much more game preperation for the games. I would like to see the stats when they played against the same team for a true comparison. And also with Shrout, not counting mop up duty against chatt, when they were not given the same preps. From the Ga. game only when maurer first started, and from shrouts first start. then you would have a true comparison.
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Post # 483 shows BM BM compared to Nix and Hillinski vs UF,UGA,Bama. Which all 3 played against

Here is JG
18/38. 176 yards 0tds 2 ints
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Post # 483 shows BM BM compared to Nix and Hillinski vs UF,UGA,Bama. Which all 3 played against

Here is JG
18/38. 176 yards 0tds 2 ints
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But see..... imo that’s still not a very fair comparison ONLY because it was clear that BM wasn’t prepared to play vs UF. Just the fact that he even compares to those guys with UF included makes it that much more impressive to me.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Post # 483 shows BM BM compared to Nix and Hillinski vs UF,UGA,Bama. Which all 3 played against

Here is JG
18/38. 176 yards 0tds 2 ints
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They didn't play the same down, distance or amount.

JG still played better 2 of the 3 games you are talking about.

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But see..... imo that’s still not a very fair comparison ONLY because it was clear that BM wasn’t prepared to play vs UF. Just the fact that he even compares to those guys with UF included makes it that much more impressive to me.
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He doesn't compare. It's not even close.
 
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k-town_king said:
58%11 tds 5ints
57% 15td 6ints
47% 2tds 5ints

One is not like the other two. The other also have singular games that are better than Bm's entire year. I wish BM had shown as much as these two.
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Are you seriously comparing full season stats??? Your are a sad little troll and need to go back to JG room and wait for him. Your argument are ridicous and you lack the capability to see understand even simpler concepts...how can u compare full season stats when BM threw 3 to 4 times less. Your pathetic
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Are you seriously comparing full season stats??? Your are a sad little troll and need to go back to JG room and wait for him. Your argument are ridicous and you lack the capability to see understand even simpler concepts...how can u compare full season stats when BM threw 3 to 4 times less. Your pathetic
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And had the same amount of interceptions.

He wasn't anywhere as good. Thanks for helping me make my point. Also way less accurate even though he didn't have nearly as many attempts.
 
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k-town_king said:
And had the same amount of interceptions.

He wasn't anywhere as good. Thanks for helping me make my point. Also way less accurate even though he didn't have nearly as many attempts.
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Your agrument fails because your trying so hard to prove a 4 year college QB who has started for 3 years is better then a 3* freshman....think about that...shouldnt even be a question. But his performance this season is why. Is that really hard to see??
 
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cgrish said:
Only problem with your evaluation is Maurer played against much much better teams than jg. Jg stats are the whole season including supposed to be cup cake teams. A true comparison would be what they did against the same teams. And even that would not be a true comparison because jg has had much more game preperation for the games. I would like to see the stats when they played against the same team for a true comparison. And also with Shrout, not counting mop up duty against chatt, when they were not given the same preps. From the Ga. game only when maurer first started, and from shrouts first start. then you would have a true comparison.
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JG played against those same teams and put up better numbers. You're free to look at the numbers they are easy to find. the fact you haven't looked at the numbers says a lot about your stance.
 
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Mark my words. BM will make his doubters eat their words before it’s over. And we will all remember who you were.
 
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pimo1 said:
JG played against those same teams and put up better numbers. You're free to look at the numbers they are easy to find. the fact you haven't looked at the numbers says a lot about your stance.
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It’s funny to see people accuse someone of something when they’re obviously guilty of the exact same things. I don’t believe in stats because they lie. But @whodeycin85, I believe, has posted SEVERAL times those exact same numbers you’re referring to and they show just the opposite of your claim. In fact the numbers show that once BM was named the starter and prepared as such his numbers were competitive with Bo Nix and Ryan Hillinski (both borderline 5*s). Although, with nowhere near the experience going in vs the best defenses in the nation. Not bad for 3* running on raw talent from Hs huh?
 
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k-town_king said:
58%11 tds 5ints
57% 15td 6ints
47% 2tds 5ints

One is not like the other two. The other also have singular games that are better than Bm's entire year. I wish BM had shown as much as these two.
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Try again troll. 52% 4 tds 3 ints without a gift from JJ and DWA in very limited action. I also find it amusing that you refuse to acknowledge who those teams were against and the FACT that only 1 of those ints came against 2 of the best teams this nation has to offer. But to each his own.
 
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butchna said:
Unless he transfers and you forget your password on here.
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Don’t count on it. I kinda like you guys. Even you Butchna...... go figure huh? And he can make anyone eat crow from anywhere if it came to that.
 
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butchna said:
As you should...being his advocate. I’m not bound by such brand loyalty.
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You see it that way because I defend him from false accusations. You on the other hand have your similarities when it comes to...... others. 😉
 
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Hacksaw said:
You can make a strong argument for that. Fouts got a lot of credit for his 4,000-yard passing seasons. But he wasn't the first to do it. That was Joe Namath, who only managed it one time in his career. Fouts improved on that, but still only did it 3 times. Then along came Dan Marino, who you could also make a strong argument for. He had 6 seaons with over 4,000 yards passing. Throw Warren Moon, John Elway and Steve Young into the argument. They all did it, too.

But before Peyton came along, a 4,000 yard passing season was something of a rarity. It was a career-defining accomplishment. Only 13 other QBs, before Peyton, had EVER thrown for more than 4,000 yards -- most of them only once in their careers. And a lot of pantheon QBs never did it, including Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw. They each played on the greatest teams of their respective eras, but that doesn't make either of them the best QB of all-time, despite what a lot of people seem to think. Joe Theismann won a Super Bowl. Jeff Hostetler won two. Best QB of all-time? Nobody would ever say that. Think about that when you consider that Peyton Manning AVERAGED more than 4,000 yards passing per season over the course of his entire career.

4,000 yard passing seasons are a lot more commonplace nowadays. The game is different now. And that's because of Peyton. Brees has done it 12 times. Brady 10. Peyton's career was shorter than both of theirs and he did it 14 times. Put that together with his high career passer rating, NFL records (including most league MVPs) and being the ONLY QB in the history of the game to lead two different teams to SB wins.
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More amazing (to me, and others who understand such things much better than I ever will) ...he took four coaches to Super Bowls.
Four Different Coaches!
 
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