2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

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k-town_king said:
Problem is he isn't the most talented.

Recruiting ranking nor stats and production support that assertion.

JG was ten times better as a freshman than BM was this year.
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Recruiting rankings DONT EVALUATE QBS! They rate you based on the school rank you attend and wait to see who offers from coaches that actually DO evaluation. Stats and production show he’s every bit as good as Bo Nix (borderline 5*) in his limited opportunities. So I’m having trouble seeing the credibility in your arguments. You’re basing them on the opinion of the services from pencil pushers that most never played the game at all much less the position. TRUE evaluators (Trent Dilfer and the entire elite 11 staff) disagree with where he was ranked. You know he was the ONLY 3* in attendance at The Opening? He placed 5th, beating out multiple 4*s ranked as high as #4. The purpose of the Bo Nix stats are simply to show he didn’t preform any worse than the top rated qbs of his class. Go on thinking he’s a 3* talent while the results and true professionals disagree. It’s just like you to be that guy.
 
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1vol8 said:
BM has EVERYTHING to do with JGs resurgence. If he had played as bad as you claim he wouldn’t have lasted as long as he did as the starter and JG wouldn’t have had a reason to feel he should change his approach. He wouldn’t have felt threatened and therefore would just wait it out. But BM, regardless of your bs stats, was MUCH better than anyone outside of myself anticipated for WELL beyond just a half. He was consistent. Week in and week out. He made mistakes but INJURY is the ONLY reason JG got his job back. Not the performance of BM.

You don’t think these coaches know we only had the ball for 8.5 min in the first half vs KY? You don’t think they know they couldn’t stop the option which resulted in a 10+ min opening drive that ended in 6 for them? You don’t think they know a blocked punt is the reason they scored again on a short field? You don’t think they realize that KY was BMs worst performance and yet he still had us in scoring position before Trey smith backed us up 15 on second down? All BM did, after not playing for nearly a month, is nearly get the first down anyway. He averaged 10 yards a carry and threw for 100 yards IN A QUARTER! You need to get over yourself. You don’t KNOW chit
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and the resurrection. why stop there? life. the real reason Peyton was so great. Tom Brady. Deion Sanders. Jesus christ himself. might as well ass in kobe, mj, and lebron. nolan ryan.
 
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1vol8 said:
Little something to listen to. If you read between the lines Kirby tells the media “we adjusted and they did not.
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u cant adjust because he had one read. i been told u this. this is what kirby is telling you. maurer's completions early on were single read quick throws. he never really had to read or go thru progressions. when he tried, he struggled greatly to the point of throwing ints
 
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lexkyvol said:
u cant adjust because he had one read. i been told u this. this is what kirby is telling you. maurer's completions early on were single read quick throws. he never really had to read or go thru progressions. when he tried, he struggled greatly to the point of throwing ints
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Which is what I’ve been saying all along. He needs time to adjust to the speed of the game and learn the offense so he knows WHERE his other options are which is the case with EVERY qb at EVERY level. Except it
 
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After watching QD in the bowl game the other day, if JG is only 5 places better than QD then he is not very good because QD was terrible. Also being the 54 PFF QB out of about 80 total QB’s is not very good.

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lexkyvol said:
u cant adjust because he had one read. i been told u this. this is what kirby is telling you. maurer's completions early on were single read quick throws. he never really had to read or go thru progressions. when he tried, he struggled greatly to the point of throwing ints
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And btw there were multiple occasions in that game he chose option 2.
 
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lexkyvol said:
so i guess all these other freshmen qbs who have done really well are simply better than maurer, right?

and wasn't maurer an early enrollee? if so, and their both under a new OC....doesn't that negate the whole experience stance quite a bit? i mean isnt that how newcomers beat out older guys? but now, since maurer got his chance and struggled....now the excuse team comes marching in! i get it!
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So since you like spewing your opinions and stiring the pot I'll leave these stats for Hillinski, Mauer and Nix. All 3 played FLA, UGA, and BAMA...I'll post thier stats and hoiw many passes they threw before facing them for the first time..then you shut up?

Mauer---23/46 365 yards 2 td 3 ints ( 2 passes thrown vs UTC)
NIX------46/107 563 yards 3 tds 3 ints ( 125 passes thrown vs ORE, Tulane, Kent, TAMU, and MSST)
Hillinski--68/112 610 yards 4 tds 1 int ( 30 passes vs CHSO)

Nix got the most experiance before hand and Hillinski at least got a full game...

So yea his stats are comparable to the leagues best freshman QBs vs the same teams...
 
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pimo1 said:
Because that's normal. It's called a straw man argument. QB accuracy drops off the closer you get to goal line because it's so much easier to defend the more compact the field is. This is nothing special. It's a situation where someone finds a stat that means nothing and makes a big deal about it completely out of context. A few months ago there was an article by a 'reputable' news outlet. The article stated rifles are more powerful than pistols. It got quite a few people up in arms because they had no idea this was true.... I'm being dead serious here. This is the same type of information you just dropped. When DB's have less feild to cover and Wars have less route options it's easier to defend them. Doh
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Ok straw man...way to bring in a Hot top issue like GUN CONTROL to deflect your argument....

Yes completions will drop as a result of a shorter field....actually 8% on average for all QBs in the SEC

JG was double that... Think about that 17% worse in a shorter field where accruacy matters more.. but no he is the most acurrate QB we have....
 
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It won’t shut him up though because it’s damaging to his case against a UT qb that’s not of his choice.
 
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1vol8 said:
Recruiting rankings DONT EVALUATE QBS! They rate you based on the school rank you attend and wait to see who offers from coaches that actually DO evaluation. Stats and production show he’s every bit as good as Bo Nix (borderline 5*) in his limited opportunities. So I’m having trouble seeing the credibility in your arguments. You’re basing them on the opinion of the services from pencil pushers that most never played the game at all much less the position. TRUE evaluators (Trent Dilfer and the entire elite 11 staff) disagree with where he was ranked. You know he was the ONLY 3* in attendance at The Opening? He placed 5th, beating out multiple 4*s ranked as high as #4. The purpose of the Bo Nix stats are simply to show he didn’t preform any worse than the top rated qbs of his class. Go on thinking he’s a 3* talent while the results and true professionals disagree. It’s just like you to be that guy.
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So you must be all in on JG? Dilfer had more praise for him than BM.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...see-qb-commit-he-s-almost-too-talented-070915

JG was also ranked higher after the same evaulators saw them both in multiple camps.

I never said BM wasn't talented. He is. He ins't as talented as JG though.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Ok straw man...way to bring in a Hot top issue like GUN CONTROL to deflect your argument....

Yes completions will drop as a result of a shorter field....actually 8% on average for all QBs in the SEC

JG was double that... Think about that 17% worse in a shorter field where accruacy matters more.. but no he is the most acurrate QB we have....
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HE IS the most accurate QB we have by a huge margin. Maurer completed less than 50% of his passes JG completes almost 60.... simple math friend. The argument has always been which QB on our roster should be playing. I have pointed out many times that JG is not the best QB in the SEC he's just the best on this team currently. Comparing him to other QB's not on this team is kinda silly when you're arguing that he should be replaced. I can compare him to Hurts and Morrow and Tags all day but it does not good because they are not available to replace him.

Comparing the Stats period JG has demonstrably superior numbers in every relevant passing stat. By a HUGE margin. Simply Looing at stats JG is more likely to throw a completed ball to people on his own team. Much less likely to throw it to guys on the other team. More likely to throw a TD. More likely to complete the ball for a longer distance. More likely to win a game. All of those statements are inarguable because reality is real.

JG threw the ball 226 times this year. It was caught by our guys 134 times for 16 td's the other team caught it 6 times.. This means that 1/8 completions was a TD for him 1/14 attempts. He threw for 1 int per 38 passes.
Maurers numbers 72 attempts 34 completions 2 tds and 5 ints. This means 1 in 17 completions was a TD 1 in 36 attempts. was a TD and 1 in 14 poasses was an int.
Average yards per attempt? 8.6 for JG 7.3 for Maurer. Their sack rates were the same. Rushing Maurer was better.. he averaged 1 more ypc. 2.2 vs 1.2 SO realistically his one advantage was nullified by the fact he got hit for bigger losses.

Its really simple bro people did the same thing with JG they did with Dobbs and the last few coaches. They scream for their heads without realizing they are all we have for now and there is no better option out there. The coaches gave Maurer every chance possible. He either got hurt or flamed out every time (mostly both). JG kept stepping up to the plate and performed better and won us games. IF you want to blame JG for every loss we got this year then you also have to credit him for every win because neither Maurer or Shrout won us a single game. These are facts. Please show me different something other than "my eyes said Maurer throws a prettier pass".
 
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pimo1 said:
HE IS the most accurate QB we have by a huge margin. Maurer completed less than 50% of his passes JG completes almost 60.... simple math friend. The argument has always been which QB on our roster should be playing. I have pointed out many times that JG is not the best QB in the SEC he's just the best on this team currently. Comparing him to other QB's not on this team is kinda silly when you're arguing that he should be replaced. I can compare him to Hurts and Morrow and Tags all day but it does not good because they are not available to replace him.

Comparing the Stats period JG has demonstrably superior numbers in every relevant passing stat. By a HUGE margin. Simply Looing at stats JG is more likely to throw a completed ball to people on his own team. Much less likely to throw it to guys on the other team. More likely to throw a TD. More likely to complete the ball for a longer distance. More likely to win a game. All of those statements are inarguable because reality is real.

JG threw the ball 226 times this year. It was caught by our guys 134 times for 16 td's the other team caught it 6 times.. This means that 1/8 completions was a TD for him 1/14 attempts. He threw for 1 int per 38 passes.
Maurers numbers 72 attempts 34 completions 2 tds and 5 ints. This means 1 in 17 completions was a TD 1 in 36 attempts. was a TD and 1 in 14 poasses was an int.
Average yards per attempt? 8.6 for JG 7.3 for Maurer. Their sack rates were the same. Rushing Maurer was better.. he averaged 1 more ypc. 2.2 vs 1.2 SO realistically his one advantage was nullified by the fact he got hit for bigger losses.

Its really simple bro people did the same thing with JG they did with Dobbs and the last few coaches. They scream for their heads without realizing they are all we have for now and there is no better option out there. The coaches gave Maurer every chance possible. He either got hurt or flamed out every time (mostly both). JG kept stepping up to the plate and performed better and won us games. IF you want to blame JG for every loss we got this year then you also have to credit him for every win because neither Maurer or Shrout won us a single game. These are facts. Please show me different something other than "my eyes said Maurer throws a prettier pass".
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So your fine with a QB that averages 1 td pass a game after 3 years starting in the SEC? Completes 60% plus but fizzles out on the opponents side of the field...? Cool Bro. Live in your mediocrity...im a VOL fan i expect more and im willing to give more time to a player who had the drive instead of one that worked last off season on how to pronounce his name instead of leading his recievers.


Found k-towns 2nd accout!!!
 
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k-town_king said:
So you must be all in on JG? Dilfer had more praise for him than BM.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...see-qb-commit-he-s-almost-too-talented-070915

JG was also ranked higher after the same evaulators saw them both in multiple camps.

I never said BM wasn't talented. He is. He ins't as talented as JG though.
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You’re talking out of your ass on this one. Trent Dilfer has a true connection with Maurer beyond the elite 11 as does Brian Stompf. Not going to get into details but you’re so far off base thinking that every thing said is “on record” that you have no idea that the truth doesn’t always lie in front of a camera. Once again I have nothing against JG. I don’t take every opportunity to put him down like most and you guys do with Maurer. I think JG can make it IF he’s able to get out of his own head. I’m as high as I can be on JG given what I’ve SEEN.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So your fine with a QB that averages 1 td pass a game after 3 years starting in the SEC? Completes 60% plus but fizzles out on the opponents side of the field...? Cool Bro. Live in your mediocrity...im a VOL fan i expect more and im willing to give more time to a player who had the drive instead of one that worked last off season on how to pronounce his name instead of leading his recievers.


Found k-towns 2nd accout!!!
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Who said I was fine I am beign realistic. He is what we HAVE/HAD my argument is he was the best we had you have to live with that and go out and recruit better. Or coach him up. You deal with what you have when you have it. Say you have a car.. it sucks. You hate it. But you have to go to work and you cant afford a new one now. You can either get in your car and get to work make that money to buy a new one or you can sit around staring at the car next door that ain't yours or in this case talk about the fixer-upper in the garage that's in even worse shape. you ride with the horses you have.

My argument all season has been simple. What better option did we have on the roster than JG? there is none so you might as well get behind the guy while he is here. I keep hearing people all talking up the backup QB's as if they'd come in and set the world on fire and then you look at the stats... They didn't win a single game. JG threw for more TDF's in the UTC game by himself than they threw combined for the season. Oh and Maurer ran for 2 meaningless TD's.

Next season we likely have a real QB battle on our hands. Maurer has had some snaps against big-time competition. They have tape to go over and improve him. We have the new kid coming in and the transfer. And we have JG who will have for the first time in his career the same OC for 2 years in a row. Its gonna be interesting and QB will not be an issue next season if anything its gonna be WR where we have a lot of potential but nothing prove. Next seasons team has the ability to shock a lot of folks if we get our QB and WR situation worked out because the team is at the very least stable (proven talent/depth) at every other position.
 
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Smh. It’s unfair to judge Maurer before he was prepped for a game and that’s exactly what anyone is doing that puts so much stock into his season stats. The moment he started preparing as the starter he went from a 25% passer to 52%. Not great, plenty of room for improvement but good enough to be mentioned in the same conversation as those freshman qbs around the country that everyone is raving about with NO experience and vs the best teams in the country. And you wonder why some people believe in him over JG?
 
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k-town_king said:
Problem is he isn't the most talented.

Recruiting ranking nor stats and production support that assertion.

JG was ten times better as a freshman than BM was this year.
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Wow. I have seen some brazen lies on this forum but none came close to this. That's just a craven lie. JG as a freshman never for one red second looked like Maurer did in multiple games this year.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Wow. I have seen some brazen lies on this forum but none came close to this. That's just a craven lie. JG as a freshman never for one red second looked like Maurer did in multiple games this year.
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He only looks at stats. And overall stats at that...and by the numbers JG was good as a freshman
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I wonder if JG lays a stinker in the bowl game if Pruitt will make a change???
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Hard to say. I like Pruitt but if I have one complaint his qb evaluation is in serious question as far as I’m concerned. Not that it shouldn’t be though. He’s a defensive coordinator by trade and a hell of a coach. I just think he wants to play “smash mouth” “old school” football and win games on defense. Therefore he seems to favor JG over the others. The fact that Maurer (although was his worst game) went 50% for 100 yards and averaged 10 yards a carry in a quarter vs KY and got benched along with JG going 1/7 and an int vs Vandy and stayed in tells me he’s unpredictable.
 
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1vol8 said:
Hard to say. I like Pruitt but if I have one complaint his qb evaluation is in serious question as far as I’m concerned. Not that it shouldn’t be though. He’s a defensive coordinator by trade and a hell of a coach. I just think he wants to play “smash mouth” “old school” football and win games on defense. Therefore he seems to favor JG over the others. The fact that Maurer (although was his worst game) went 50% for 100 yards and averaged 10 yards a carry in a quarter vs KY and got benched along with JG going 1/7 and an int vs Vandy and stayed in tells me he’s unpredictable.
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I totally agree with thr old school train of thought. And I think wants to make and keep and change but CJP won't....our offense now is hand 55 to 60% regardless if its working then play action jumpball...so unless someone goes off like Gray did. We are limited cuz we wont always win those jumps

When do lose them itll be blamed on the WR
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I totally agree with thr old school train of thought. And I think wants to make and keep and change but CJP won't....our offense now is hand 55 to 60% regardless if its working then play action jumpball...so unless someone goes off like Gray did. We are limited cuz we wont always win those jumps

When do lose them itll be blamed on the WR
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I’ve noticed that as well throughout the season. Regardless of what the haters THINK they seen I know the play calling went from 40/60 run heavy with JG to 60/40 pass heavy with Maurer. That alone tells me there’s more trust with Chaney in regards to Maurer than Pruitt and the three amigos that can’t add 2+2 together will lead us to believe.
 
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1vol8 said:
Which is what I’ve been saying all along. He needs time to adjust to the speed of the game and learn the offense so he knows WHERE his other options are which is the case with EVERY qb at EVERY level. Except it
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Accept it would be the proper word to use there. And u get the speed in practice and based on what you are used to doing. HS OCs are good at hiding these deficiencies often. Shrout never played a down, yet went thru progressions better. Some people have it, some dont.
 
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