2020 Primaries

[Orangeburst]

Tell us about the dead intern in your office Joe...

It is personal with Joe and MikA

 

[Weezer]

“You know going into it that your vote doesn’t count the same as another American’s, deal with it”. That’s exactly why it needs changed.

So states with higher population can dictate to states with lower population? That's exactly why it shouldn't be changed. There are 50 individual states with different needs and different views. Each state is represented in the EC. Popular vote does away with that representation. People seem to forget our country began with 13 colonies banding together for a common interest. The reason we "united" is because it served the best interest of everyone. If you allow popular vote to decide, states lose their voice. What is the reason to remain united if larger states take precedent over smaller states? The Constitution puts emphasis on the rights of states for a reason.

 

[AM64]

I think everyone is aware that sometimes the other side wins. That's nothing new.
You know what is different this time? Trump.

You know what was different last time? Obama. Maybe after Trump's second time around both sides will see reason and select centrist and reasonable nominees, but I doubt it.

 

[StarRaider]

“You know going into it that your vote doesn’t count the same as another American’s, deal with it”. That’s exactly why it needs changed.

Do you understand the concept of a republic?

 

[AM64]

Will Bernie quit the race after tomorrow's Bolshevik primaries?

Just think. If Bernie quits and Joe loses what's left of his mind, the DNC will take the nomination away from Tulsi - she'd be the only contestant still standing.

 

[AM64]

Heysues teets….it's Iowa redux....and these idiots actually think anyone with a brain will vote for them to lead?

Well, Toni can't decide on a last name, so that she's otherwise incompetent shouldn't be a shocker.

 

[AM64]

So the lefties call the Constitution of The United States an "antiquated system"?

It's a "living document" you know ... the words are re-definable as necessary to the left. Punctuation is for pauses - not context.

 

[AM64]

This works both ways on here. If you don't agree with Trump then you are a communist.

In real life, there is definitely a middle ground. On here, not so much.

There is certainly "middle ground"; it just got shifted hard left. Put it back where it belongs and then we can rationally discuss things. Until then there are a lot of us who aren't even about to discuss fundamentally transforming a damn thing.

 

[vols40]

“You know going into it that your vote doesn’t count the same as another American’s, deal with it”. That’s exactly why it needs changed.

No it doesn't. I am not in favor of the largest cities filled with lazy A$$ people deciding the election.

 

[0nelilreb]

“You know going into it that your vote doesn’t count the same as another American’s, deal with it”. That’s exactly why it needs changed.

There .. may....be ... a ..process .. to .. do .. that . Sounds easy enough , so change it .

 

[OHvol40]

So states with higher population can dictate to states with lower population? That's exactly why it shouldn't be changed. There are 50 individual states with different needs and different views. Each state is represented in the EC. Popular vote does away with that representation. People seem to forget our country began with 13 colonies banding together for a common interest. The reason we "united" is because it served the best interest of everyone. If you allow popular vote to decide, states lose their voice. What is the reason to remain united if larger states take precedent over smaller states? The Constitution puts emphasis on the rights of states for a reason.

What do states have to do with anything? In an election that affects every American, every American should have an equal say. Anything else is trying to put your finger on the scale.

 

[0nelilreb]

What do states have to do with anything? In an election that affects every American, every American should have an equal say. Anything else is trying to put your finger on the scale.

 

[OHvol40]

No it doesn't. I am not in favor of the largest cities filled with lazy A$$ people deciding the election.

I assure you plenty of Americans don’t want you to decide an election either, doesn’t mean every vote shouldn’t count the same.

 

[AM64]

What do states have to do with anything? In an election that affects every American, every American should have an equal say. Anything else is trying to put your finger on the scale.

Because we incorporated as a union of states - not one big federalist mob dominated by a few states - and really just a city or two within those states. The process to come up with a Constitution lasted some time until the founding fathers were satisfied that the states - not people - were equally represented at the federal level. Otherwise, there'd never have been a United States.

 

[Weezer]

What do states have to do with anything? In an election that affects every American, every American should have an equal say. Anything else is trying to put your finger on the scale.

States rights have everything to do with it. Maybe you should brush up on your history. The EC was decided upon and written into the Constitution to ensure states were fairly represented.

 

[OHvol40]

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Hmmm, great idea... except Wyoming has the same number of senators as California despite Cali having 50x the population... so the chance that Wyoming and all the states like them relinquish that power is none.

So, just to review, that’s two cases of rural residents getting favor in the highest levels of federal government... but you’re right, that’s fair.

Do you want to review the original purpose of the electoral college and it’s history, including the 3/5ths compromise et al? Or are you gonna stop at pointing to the constitution without logic?

 

[OHvol40]

Because we incorporated as a union of states - not one big federalist mob dominated by a few states - and really just a city or two within those states. The process to come up with a Constitution lasted some time until the founding fathers were satisfied that the states - not people - were equally represented at the federal level. Otherwise, there'd never have been a United States.

We aren’t electing state representatives in a Presidential election, so again what do states have to do with anything?

 

[Weezer]

Because we incorporated as a union of states - not one big federalist mob dominated by a few states - and really just a city or two within those states. The process to come up with a Constitution lasted some time until the founding fathers were satisfied that the states - not people - were equally represented at the federal level. Otherwise, there'd never have been a United States.

People choose to forget that the FFs never intended for the federal government to grow into what it has become.

 

[OHvol40]

States rights have everything to do with it. Maybe you should brush up on your history. The EC was decided upon and written into the Constitution to ensure states were fairly represented.

It was a fail safe so that southern states whose population largely consisted of slaves didn’t get left out of national elections. Tell me about the history though, I’m curious.

 

[McDad]

Hmmm, great idea... except Wyoming has the same number of senators as California despite Cali having 50x the population... so the chance that Wyoming and all the states like them relinquish that power is none.

So, just to review, that’s two cases of rural residents getting favor in the highest levels of federal government... but you’re right, that’s fair.

Do you want to review the original purpose of the electoral college and it’s history, including the 3/5ths compromise et al? Or are you gonna stop at pointing to the constitution without logic?

Senators were intended to represent the state from which they came.

Think of our government in a 3 way dance between the individual, the state, and the federal. That's how we are (were) structured.

 

[0nelilreb]

Hmmm, great idea... except Wyoming has the same number of senators as California despite Cali having 50x the population... so the chance that Wyoming and all the states like them relinquish that power is none.

So, just to review, that’s two cases of rural residents getting favor in the highest levels of federal government... but you’re right, that’s fair.

Do you want to review the original purpose of the electoral college and it’s history, including the 3/5ths compromise et al? Or are you gonna stop at pointing to the constitution without logic?

I don’t see the issue here, our FF gave us rights they also were smart enough to know people want different things so they gave us a way to change those rights . It’s not anybody fault that like minded people can’t get their stuff together and change it . You have been given the answer to your problem ... just make it happen .

 

[Weezer]

We aren’t electing state representatives in a Presidential election, so again what do states have to do with anything?

Man, you honestly must have skipped history class. Have you even read the Constitution?

 

[OHvol40]

Man, you honestly must have skipped history class. Have you even read the Constitution?

So enlighten me. Who was the EC intended for, and for what purpose? Who pushed for it when debating the ratification of the constitution and for what practical reasons? What was the 3/5ths compromise?

I always love to learn.

 

[Weezer]

It was a fail safe so that southern states whose population largely consisted of slaves didn’t get left out of national elections. Tell me about the history though, I’m curious.

No, it wasn't. Confusing the Three-Fifths Compromise with the reason they decided on the EC does nothing to help your case. They decided on the EC first, then when debating on how population should be counted, they agreed upon the 3/5 Compromise.

 

[OHvol40]

No, it wasn't. Confusing the Three-Fifths Compromise with the reason they decided on the EC does nothing to help your case. They decided on the EC first, then when debating on how population should be counted, they agreed upon the 3/5 Compromise.

Lol