2020 Primaries

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Mick said:
Loudervol said that yesterday. I think it's just social media amplification. You would think they would have learned their lesson from 2016.
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What lesson?

They are purity testing the eff out of everything. It's not surprising they are finally realizing the Dems arent as left as the Bernie Boys want to be.
 
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luthervol said:
What the Bernie Bros should focus on is how far left you can move the party and still win a national election.
If, even after 2016, they still feel that sitting it out is the best response, I've got nothing for them.
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Just my read on things but I think they care more about their policy than winning. Kinda a "dang the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" Type thing. Meaning they are wanting to push for exactly what they want and dont care if it costs them.

Which i can appreciate on one level. It's a far more honest political position to have than just caring about winning. No "ends justify the means" nonsense.

What's ironic is watching them have to spin stuff from Bernie. Right now he is the metric they are testing things on.
 
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carlos86 said:
They knew this from the beginning. Dems are a center-left majority party not far left.
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I am wondering if they are going to pressure Bernie enough to force the issue. But right now he is their golden leader, they dont seem to care where he takes them. As long as its him shaking his arms at something.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am wondering if they are going to pressure Bernie enough to force the issue. But right now he is their golden leader, they dont seem to care where he takes them. As long as its him shaking his arms at something.
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Sounds like a cult.
 
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LouderVol said:
Just my read on things but I think they care more about their policy than winning. Kinda a "dang the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" Type thing. Meaning they are wanting to push for exactly what they want and dont care if it costs them.

Which i can appreciate on one level. It's a far more honest political position to have than just caring about winning. No "ends justify the means" nonsense.

What's ironic is watching them have to spin stuff from Bernie. Right now he is the metric they are testing things on.
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I view it more as a choice between:
none of what you want vs. some of what you want.
moving in the direction you wish and getting closer to your desired destination vs. moving in the opposite direction.
 
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luthervol said:
I view it more as a choice between:
none of what you want vs. some of what you want.
moving in the direction you wish and getting closer to your desired destination vs. moving in the opposite direction.
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Guess that depends on where you want to go, doesn't it?
 
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I'm thinking now that Joe gets the required number of delegates without going thru a contested convention and beats Trump in the fall.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I'm still not sure about that, if Bernie wins California and Texas I think it still could be brokered
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The betting markets have flipped Texas to Biden...one thing that might give Bernie the edge in some Super Tuesday states is early voting that took place before Biden won SC....Bernie should win Cali big
 
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VolnJC said:
I'm thinking now that Joe gets the required number of delegates without going thru a contested convention and beats Trump in the fall.
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I wouldn't particularly mind a Biden victory insofar as I don't see my life getting immeasurably worse if a DNC nominee not named Bernie wins, but I just don't see Biden retaining any of this support that Bernie has drummed up in swing states. Michigan is a Bernie lock and I think that Pennsylvania doesn't go for Biden in a landslide, so I'm just not able to entertain a scenario in which Biden flips enough purple states to win in November without the Bernie backing he likely won't receive.
 
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VolnJC said:
The betting markets have flipped Texas to Biden...one thing that might give Bernie the edge in some Super Tuesday states is early voting that took place before Biden won SC....Bernie should win Cali big
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FWIW, RCP still has Sanders up 1.5% in Texas
 
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A Biden win will mean a slowing of the economy, more military involvement in the middle east. If Biden wins, the Dems hold the house and take the Senate it will be a Katy bar the door rush into liberal insanity.
 
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