2020 Primaries

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zeppelin128 said:
If the voters on the left elect Bernie as the nominee, then Trump will be guaranteed a second term. There will also be a Republican super majority that would result in the House and the Senate.
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Bernie is a train wreck coming at us with an open throttle.

What is the first thing that happens when a country embraces extreme socialism in the modern capitalist era? Capital retreats as it did in Venezuela. The great recession will have been extremely mild in comparison.

Will congress raise the debt ceiling enough to allow the executive to fund the bread and soup lines? I’m not so sure.

There will be overwhelming motivation on the part of the “establishments” of both parties to ensure Socialism on a Bernie scale fails so hard that the memory will last for generations.

Look, no matter what you think of him, Trump hijacked the Republican party and now both Bernie and Bloomie are trying to hijack the Democratic party. Why don’t the parties have a simple rule that says you must have been a registered member of that party for the preceding 12 years or something in order to take advantage of that party’s infrastructure and offer yourself as a candidate to represent that party. Such a rule would have forced Trump, Bernie, and Bloomie all to run as independent candidates without the benefit of the established party’s apparatus and automatic ballot access.

I know Bernie is the front runner and, as entertaining as I think a contest between him and Trump might be, I can’t imagine the Democratic party will allow him to be the nominee, or if he does somehow make it, support him in an effort to win the presidency. I think they’ll take Trump as the lesser of two evils and wait to go for the White House in 2024.

There’s a lot of damming material out there on Bernie so I’m expecting somebody to go scorched earth on Bernie any day now. If they wait for Trump and the Republicans to do it I think that means they are consciously forfeiting the 2020 election. jmo.

The word will seep out from the Democratic establishment, "Vote Trump, at least he's not a commie".

True story: On my entrance application for the military in September 1975 was the question, "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?"

My answer is still no.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
If the voters on the left elect Bernie as the nominee, then Trump will be guaranteed a second term. There will also be a Republican super majority that would result in the House and the Senate.
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This is the most ridiculous comment I've seen.

I have 2 members of my family who did not vote in 2016, one who is a former lifelong Republican who are both backing Sanders in 2020.

Will it be a tough election against Trump/special interests? For sure.

But can he win? Absolutely and I believe he has a shot at flipping the Senate as well.
 
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zaqhhh said:
This is the most ridiculous comment I've seen.

I have 2 members of my family who did not vote in 2016, one who is a former lifelong Republican who is backing Sanders in 2020.

Will it be a tough election against Trump/special interests? For sure.

But can he win? Absolutely and I believe he has a shot at flipping the Senate as well.
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That would cause our economy to come to a screeching halt for the Dems to hold all three .
 
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zaqhhh said:
Like it did in 2008? Oh wait
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A socialist in the oval , left leaning Houses , all three raising taxes , forgiving debts , “handing out free healthcare , homes for everyone” , decriminalizing boarder crossing , consumer confidence leaving , 15 $ an hour minimum wage for all , and a looming natural rest in the market just waiting for a trigger .. your damn skippy it would .
 
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Also, I love how the Trumpers on this thread are doing the exact same thing to Bernie as liberals did with Trump.

"He can't possibly win."

I'm on the left but I acknowledged that Trump was tapping into righteous anger and had I believed him, I would have voted for him.

Now half this thread is calling him a commie, a word they clearly can't differentiate from Democratic Socialism or Social Democracy.
 
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0nelilreb said:
A socialist in the oval , left leaning Houses , all three raising taxes , forgiving debts , “handing out free healthcare , homes for everyone” , decriminalizing boarder crossing , consumer confidence leaving , 15 $ an hour minimum wage for all , and a looming natural rest in the market just waiting for a trigger .. your damn skippy it would .
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Funny what you can accomplish when you stop the tax breaks for the rich and corporate America. Or when we get a military budget that is sensible. Or when we take on Wall Street (ya know the people who wrecked main street). Or when we start taking on the greed of healthcare companies.

And you don't really care about the economy. How much has Trump shrunk the debt? Or helped working class families?
 
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zaqhhh said:
Also, I love how the Trumpers on this thread are doing the exact same thing to Bernie as liberals did with Trump.

"He can't possibly win."

I'm on the left but I acknowledged that Trump was tapping into righteous anger and had I believed him, I would have voted for him.

Now half this thread is calling him a commie, a word they clearly can't differentiate from Democratic Socialism or Social Democracy.
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He is a self confessed socialist you can tack on the little cute Democratic if you want it doesn’t change anything . Who else do you know that thinks breadlines , Castro and Venezuela are all good things ?
 
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zaqhhh said:
Funny what you can accomplish when you stop the tax breaks for the rich and corporate America. Or when we get a military budget that is sensible. Or when we take on Wall Street (ya know the people who wrecked main street). Or when we start taking on the greed of healthcare companies.

And you don't really care about the economy. How much has Trump shrunk the debt? Or helped working class families?
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The economy isn’t the debt you know this right ? I’m working class and we are doing better than we were under Obama . 🤷‍♂️
 
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0nelilreb said:
He is a self confessed socialist you can tack on the little cute Democratic if you want it doesn’t change anything . Who else do you know that thinks breadlines , Castro and Venezuela are all good things ?
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You do realize like 75% of all the policies you criticized above have been enacted in much of Europe already?
 
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zaqhhh said:
So you can grow the debt indefinitely without harming the economy? They aren't linked at all?
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Do you think all those things I listed are more linked to the economy or less linked than the debt . Bernie and both house being owned by the left would crush the market and consumer confidence.
 
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zaqhhh said:
You do realize like 75% of all the policies you criticized above have been enacted in much of Europe already?
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You want to compare Europe to us now ? That’s a losing argument for you and not counting that I don’t give a rats butt what Europe does or does not do . We left there 400 years ago to get away from them
 
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0nelilreb said:
Do you think all those things I listed are more linked to the economy or less linked than the debt . Bernie and both house being owned by the left would crush the market and consumer confidence.
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Did FDR do that?

He literally had the Republican Party calling him a socialist wackjob the entire time! Yet the market seemed to do ok.

It is generally our trickle down conservatives that wreck the economy.
 
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