2020 Primaries

[hog88]

LOL.......They made the loans because they thought it was guaranteed risk free profit.

Correct, they wouldn’t have made the loans without the good faith of our .gov backing them. What other debt backed by our gov should we default on?

 

[volinbham]

Oh gosh it is definitely related. We have the most complicated system in the world of insurers. Literally we employ an entire sector because of how confusing our insurance system is. That adds tons of unnecessary costs.

Then we can't negotiate drug prices (thanks Republicans).

We don't insure everyone so the uninsured raise costs on everyone when they have to receive care in emergency situations.

Laundry list of reasons? Correct.
Insurance isn't a problem. Incorrect.

so much to unpack here.

let's start with the "uninsured raise costs via the ER". Research actually shows the heaviest users of the ER for non emergency reasons is Medicaid users. Now what type of insurance is Medicaid; hmmm, could it be government? Users of private insurance are the lowest users of the ER for non emergency HC.

many countries (including some of the most efficient) use a mix of public and private insurance (like us) or exclusively private insurance (Switzerland). The myth of universal coverage is that it is public coverage. That simply isn't true. Private HC insurance is used throughout the industrialized world. The single payer fully government model is not the norm. Again people conflate universal coverage with government coverage. It's simply not the case.

 

[hog88]

Depends if you work 40 hours a week than the government should ensure that you earn enough to eat.

If you can't work, the government should provide you with ample supplement until you can.

Oh boy. I hate to break it to you but the only person responsible for feeding you is you regardless of how many hours you work.

But lets go down your road. If someone works 40 hours a week should the gov make sure you have a place to live and clothes to wear?

 

[zaqhhh]

Why is he an extremist? Why can’t people ask questions as to why the food stamp budget increased by over 400% between 2002 and 2017? Are people Going to be starving in the streets if the snap budget was rolled back to 2002 levels?

Trump Tax Cut costs 230 billion a year.

Our Military Budget is 600 billion more than the next country.

Food Stamps cost 60 Billion a year.

If food stamp issues are your jumping off point then you are an extremist.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Literally you are making my point. People don't get rid of the programs because they need them in the first place.

Why do people vote for single payer? Cause they don't have healthcare that works for them now.

So even if they don't like it, they don't get rid of it. They just edit it to something they do like.

Eliminating it without something in plan to replace it (like Trump tried to do with Obamacare) never works.

A majority of those that will vote for single payor either think that they dont need quality healthcare, know they won't have to pay for it or are simply ignorant.

 

[hog88]

Any job in which you work 40 hours should be compensated with a wage that allows you to feed your family, receive healthcare, and achieve an education.

Otherwise why work?

Personally, I wouldn't work a 7.25 job with no healthcare. Not worth it.

See the difference between you all and me is that I say jobs should be worth something.

You say I don't care if jobs suck or if you work them, you aren't entitled to anything for working.

The only things in life that you are entitled to are the things you earn, nothing else.

 

[Boston Vol]

Any job in which you work 40 hours should be compensated with a wage that allows you to feed your family, receive healthcare, and achieve an education.

Otherwise why work?

Personally, I wouldn't work a 7.25 job with no healthcare. Not worth it.

See the difference between you all and me is that I say jobs should be worth something.

You say I don't care if jobs suck or if you work them, you aren't entitled to anything for working.

The only grown adults making minimum wage for more than three months are really sh*tty employees. Why should said sh*tty employees be guaranteed a wage that provides them with enough to pay for food, healthcare, and rent? If you want to be guaranteed those things, don’t be a sh*tty employee. It’s really not a difficult concept.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Trump Tax Cut costs 230 billion a year.

Our Military Budget is 600 billion more than the next country.

Food Stamps cost 60 Billion a year.

If food stamp issues are your jumping off point then you are an extremist.

Since when does a tax cut cost anything. That is the most ignorant logic ever. You are truly a LIV.

 

[hog88]

Trump Tax Cut costs 230 billion a year.

Our Military Budget is 600 billion more than the next country.

Food Stamps cost 60 Billion a year.

If food stamp issues are your jumping off point then you are an extremist.

Dude, a few pages back I posted a link and a chart showing how .gov revenue has gone up since the tax cuts.

 

[volinbham]

Any job in which you work 40 hours should be compensated with a wage that allows you to feed your family, receive healthcare, and achieve an education.

Otherwise why work?

Personally, I wouldn't work a 7.25 job with no healthcare. Not worth it.

See the difference between you all and me is that I say jobs should be worth something.

You say I don't care if jobs suck or if you work them, you aren't entitled to anything for working.

I don't say what you suggest.

Back to your "government should ensure". How would that work exactly? What is the correct wage to ensure you can feed your family, receive healthcare and achieve an education? How big a family? What do I get to eat for that? What counts as healthcare? What counts as education? Same in NY and TN?

 

[C-south]

Why is he an extremist? Why can’t people ask questions as to why the food stamp budget increased by over 400% between 2002 and 2017? Are people Going to be starving in the streets if the snap budget was rolled back to 2002 levels?

He would be amazed the things people could do when they had to.

 

[Girth Brooks]

Yes but see we live in a society. So you do that with enough people who can't afford healthcare and education and we elect someone that will increase taxes and then we get those programs.

It's funny in a way. The Republicans move to the extreme right created the perfect storm for Sanders ideas to become so popular.

No, he just got the idiots to expose themselves so that we no longer have to guess.

It’s interesting that you think the government can tax the hell out its citizens but that universities can’t reciprocate...? Academia is proud of producing competent, qualified graduates, thus they will protect that investment by making their admissions and curriculum more stringent (even at the expense of increased tuition). If you flood the market with too much of a product or service, it waters down the demand. This is Economics 101, not that you’d understand it, though.

Bernie will not be elected for a myriad of reasons, but if he were, industry will resist him, as they should.

 

[zaqhhh]

so much to unpack here.

let's start with the "uninsured raise costs via the ER". Research actually shows the heaviest users of the ER for non emergency reasons is Medicaid users. Now what type of insurance is Medicaid; hmmm, could it be government? Users of private insurance are the lowest users of the ER for non emergency HC.

many countries (including some of the most efficient) use a mix of public and private insurance (like us) or exclusively private insurance (Switzerland). The myth of universal coverage is that it is public coverage. That simply isn't true. Private HC insurance is used throughout the industrialized world. The single payer fully government model is not the norm. Again people conflate universal coverage with government coverage. It's simply not the case.

Why are private users the least? Because they can't afford to go! Most private insurance has too high of deductibles to even use!

Single Payer brings down costs because literally the government is the only payer. It can tell the medical companies what they can charge.

And FWIW if I need to compromise down the road with a public option, that's still way better than our system and if we get a fair one, it will crush most of the private insurers anyway because so many people will switch.

Force them to actually compete fairly.

 

[82_VOL_83]

You don't need private health care though, you need health care.

Why do we pay 2x per person with our private system than other nations and still not cover everyone? Still haven't gotten an answer on that.

Because those that pay for it have 4X the care of other countries.

 

[zeppelin128]

Only a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump.

If Pete isn't the nominee, I might have to go with Reb's suggestion of writing in Pete in November. I could stick with my principles and guy that way.

 

[volinbham]

Dude, a few pages back I posted a link and a chart showing how .gov revenue has gone up since the tax cuts.

Can't believe this poster is planning to go to grad school. Oh I forgot, that's a right.

 

[C-south]

Trump Tax Cut costs 230 billion a year.

Our Military Budget is 600 billion more than the next country.

Food Stamps cost 60 Billion a year.

If food stamp issues are your jumping off point then you are an extremist.

Speaking of military and your love for the government I’m sure you’d be all for mandatory military conscription of lets say 4 years. No exceptions.

 

[hog88]

Why are private users the least? Because they can't afford to go! Most private insurance has too high of deductibles to even use!

Single Payer brings down costs because literally the government is the only payer. It can tell the medical companies what they can charge.

And FWIW if I need to compromise down the road with a public option, that's still way better than our system and if we get a fair one, it will crush most of the private insurers anyway because so many people will switch.

Force them to actually compete fairly.

I’ve had private insurance for almost 30 years and I’ve never had a policy with a deductible so high I couldn’t use it.

 

[zeppelin128]

I'm done phone banking for the night. Might watch the Bernie town hall before Pete's.

 

[zaqhhh]

The only things in life that you are entitled to are the things you earn, nothing else.

Here is the problem with that.

A 40 hr job in 1960 could have earned you a house, car, and education pretty easily.

You earned that.

A 40 hr job in most cases today doesn't get you that.

You still earned it. You didn't work less hard.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Yes but see we live in a society. So you do that with enough people who can't afford healthcare and education and we elect someone that will increase taxes and then we get those programs.

It's funny in a way. The Republicans move to the extreme right created the perfect storm for Sanders ideas to become so popular.

There again, ignorance. This country is founded on personal liberty, not a society. Sounds like you need to move.

 

[hog88]

Can't believe this poster is planning to go to grad school. Oh I forgot, that's a right.

You must deal with these people every day, sympathy’.

 

[Sea Ray]

You don't need private health care though, you need health care.

Why do we pay 2x per person with our private system than other nations and still not cover everyone? Still haven't gotten an answer on that.

Because our system needs help...but you don't need to completely blow it up

 

[zaqhhh]

The only grown adults making minimum wage for more than three months are really sh*tty employees. Why should said sh*tty employees be guaranteed a wage that provides them with enough to pay for food, healthcare, and rent? If you want to be guaranteed those things, don’t be a sh*tty employee. It’s really not a difficult concept.

Again work shaming. Go to minimum wage workers and say it to their face.

Our economy needs those workers. It doesn't matter if everyone was a 200 IQ genius, we would still need those jobs

 

[volinbham]

Why are private users the least? Because they can't afford to go! Most private insurance has too high of deductibles to even use!

Single Payer brings down costs because literally the government is the only payer. It can tell the medical companies what they can charge.

And FWIW if I need to compromise down the road with a public option, that's still way better than our system and if we get a fair one, it will crush most of the private insurers anyway because so many people will switch.

Force them to actually compete fairly.

Your first comment is 100% wrong.

Single payer may bring down costs; it may not. Many countries have found the fully private or public/private mix works best.

Interesting you want competition.