2020 Primaries

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zaqhhh said:
FWIW I'm all for HS trade programs as well.

May as well start to teach them young.

Also expand dual enrollment. I completed a year's worth of my undergrad while still in High School.

Still in favor of tuition free college/trade school though.
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It’s just lessening the value of bachelor degrees, companies will start requiring masters degrees and then who pays for those?
 
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hog88 said:
It’s just lessening the value of bachelor degrees, companies will start requiring masters degrees and then who pays for those?
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Disagree with that premise totally.

The more highly educated a region/country, there tends to be a correlation to better jobs locating there.

Students will go for bachelor's degrees. Some even with free college will choose not to go.
Some like me will go to grad school.

It doesn't flip the system, it just makes sure that those who want to go, can.
 
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C-south said:
Why would someone be dumb enough to think they could pay the loan back with a worthless degree?
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We're talking about 17-18 year olds here. Many probably don't realize what they're signing up for and may not even be thinking that far ahead. Can I pay back the unknown amount of money I'm going to spend with a philosophy degree? They're having grown up debt thrust upon them by high schools preaching you can be whatever you want and college is the way to go.

Not sure if it's still common in high school, but 20 years ago I was told "it doesn't matter what you major in just get the degree. Then you can get a job. Employers just want to see you graduated college. "

Lol. Sage advice.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Disagree with that premise totally.

The more highly educated a region/country, there tends to be a correlation to better jobs locating there.

Students will go for bachelor's degrees. Some even with free college will choose not to go.
Some like me will go to grad school.

It doesn't flip the system, it just makes sure that those who want to go, can.
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You have to look at it like a commodity and the more of something there is on the market the less it costs.
 
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hog88 said:
You have to look at it like a commodity and the more of something there is on the market the less it costs.
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Tennessee Promise didn't raise enrollment numbers drastically.

Not every kid wants to go to college.

Some want to work in a trade which should also be free to learn.

Some want to work at MCD and that is fine too.

However, every kid who wants to go to college should be able to pursue that without fear of cost.

It will raise it to some degree, but we aren't talking everyone having a bachelor's degree here.
 
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TheDeeble said:
We're talking about 17-18 year olds here. Many probably don't realize what they're signing up for and may not even be thinking that far ahead. Can I pay back the unknown amount of money I'm going to spend with a philosophy degree? They're having grown up debt thrust upon them by high schools preaching you can be whatever you want and college is the way to go.

Not sure if it's still common in high school, but 20 years ago I was told "it doesn't matter what you major in just get the degree. Then you can get a job. Employers just want to see you graduated college. "

Lol. Sage advice.
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Plenty of tough lessons to learn in life. Deal with it.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
This is funded by the Tennessee lottery not tax payers money
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I'm fine with paying for it however, whether that be through lottery or increasing taxes.

Frankly, I'm just glad our Republican government said F U to some of the people on here who are rabid libertarians and said "Education is worth it."
 
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zaqhhh said:
Tennessee Promise didn't raise enrollment numbers drastically.

Not every kid wants to go to college.

Some want to work in a trade which should also be free to learn.

Some want to work at MCD and that is fine too.

However, every kid who wants to go to college should be able to pursue that without fear of cost.

It will raise it to some degree, but we aren't talking everyone having a bachelor's degree here.
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No, that’s not how it should work at all.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Tennessee Promise didn't raise enrollment numbers drastically.

Not every kid wants to go to college.

Some want to work in a trade which should also be free to learn.

Some want to work at MCD and that is fine too.

However, every kid who wants to go to college should be able to pursue that without fear of cost.

It will raise it to some degree, but we aren't talking everyone having a bachelor's degree here.
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If it’s free just about everyone will go
 
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zaqhhh said:
I'm fine with paying for it however, whether that be through lottery or increasing taxes.

Frankly, I'm just glad our Republican government said F U to some of the people on here who are rabid libertarians and said "Education is worth it."
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Lottery money should be used to lessen taxes as much as it is used to help fund someone’s education. That someone should have to meet stringent qualifications to get that funding.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Part of Pete's education plan includes a nice funding boost for these kinds of apprenticeship programs and tech schools post college.
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It seems Mayor Pete had a plan for everything, yet his leadership of a 100,000 person town has been a shltshow.

"Right now there's no way he can stand on the stage and honestly talk about the issues pressing this country when he can't even successfully address the dire issues of race, lack of diversity, and poverty, not to mention the homeless issue in this city," Mario Sims, a pastor in South Bend, said. "If you can't even address those issues in a city of 100,000, my God, how can you address those issues in 50 states?"
 
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After watching the MSM, debates and the debacle that is the caucus system, I have decided that the new Democrat party is supported by some of the most ignorant people on the planet. They are truly the NIV party.
 
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zaqhhh said:
Tennessee Promise didn't raise enrollment numbers drastically.

Not every kid wants to go to college.

Some want to work in a trade which should also be free to learn.

Some want to work at MCD and that is fine too.

However, every kid who wants to go to college should be able to pursue that without fear of cost.

It will raise it to some degree, but we aren't talking everyone having a bachelor's degree here.
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The lottery scholarship has absolutely raised enrollment numbers drastically.

There is a cost to everything worth having.

How’s this free college thing going to work? Will it include room and board, fees and books? How long can someone keep going to school? Will there be a minimum for progress towards graduation that has to be met? Give us some of the details please.
 
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See the funny thing to me is how much you all scream commie and then you think that the

Tennessee Republican Supermajority Government was too liberal for allowing free education.

Fact of the matter is some of you on this board don't realize that you all are the extremists.

Bernie Dems are really just advocating the party move back to where FDR brought it.

I'm fact 1940s Republican Party would have backed Sanders/Nearly any Dem over Trump and today's extremists on the right.
 
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zaqhhh said:
See the funny thing to me is how much you all scream commie and then you think that the

Tennessee Republican Supermajority Government was too liberal for allowing free education.

Fact of the matter is some of you on this board don't realize that you all are the extremists.

Bernie Dems are really just advocating the party move back to where FDR brought it.

I'm fact 1940s Republican Party would have backed Sanders/Nearly any Dem over Trump and today's extremists on the right.
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They didn't back FDR. Why would they back Bernie?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I hope to not have to worry about it.
I will never vote for Trump in a million years. But I'm struggling deciding about Bernie. Not voting is not an option, as that is basically a vote for Trump. But Bernie is too far left for me on economic issues. And his legions of online minions have really pissed me off about his campaign. I honestly don't know what I'm going to do if Bernie is the nominee yet. If that unthinkable scenario happens, I'm glad I have until November to think about it.
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Only a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump.
 
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hog88 said:
The lottery scholarship has absolutely raised enrollment numbers drastically.

There is a cost to everything worth having.

How’s this free college thing going to work? Will it include room and board, fees and books? How long can someone keep going to school? Will there be a minimum for progress towards graduation that has to be met? Give us some of the details please.
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If you are talking about TN Promise, no it hasn't those numbers are almost totally flat.

Room and Board? Nope, I think that can be the students responsibility.

Yes, there will be a minimum as there is with most programs. Most free programs require full time enrollment and a GPA requirement.
 
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C-south said:
Plenty of tough lessons to learn in life. Deal with it.
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There is but I think a lot of this could be avoided had high schools and colleges had real honest discussion with students about the amounts of money involved and what kind of jobs might be available based on their degree. But then their cash cow would have ended.

20 years ago (makes me feel old) I could still pay for college myself without student loans. 12 credit hours was almost 1500 bucks. That was a $400-$500 increase from what I paid when I first started 2 years earlier.

I imagine those tuition prices aren't found anywhere anymore. Universities really started hiking prices around that time.
 
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zaqhhh said:
See the funny thing to me is how much you all scream commie and then you think that the

Tennessee Republican Supermajority Government was too liberal for allowing free education.

Fact of the matter is some of you on this board don't realize that you all are the extremists.

Bernie Dems are really just advocating the party move back to where FDR brought it.

I'm fact 1940s Republican Party would have backed Sanders/Nearly any Dem over Trump and today's extremists on the right.
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LOL man the rationalizing is going to be one for the record books once Bernie has the nomination.

Make America Cuber Again?
 
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