2020 Primaries

[OHvol40]

We have no tradition of using the popular vote to decide the Presidency. Do I need to hold your hand and explain the definition of tradition?

Why don’t you tell me what you think about what TJ had to say about it?

 

[OHvol40]

What was the quote? I'm not going to dig back through all the pages to find it.

I’ll find it for you

 

[Weezer]

You seriously missed that? Have you read anything I’ve posted?

Not tonight. I just got back on and didn't feel like going back through the thread.

 

[OHvol40]

What was the quote? I'm not going to dig back through all the pages to find it.

I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and Constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.​

-Thomas Jefferson

 

[Weezer]

Again, who gives a s*** about fairness for states? It’s about fairness for all Americans, not disproportionate say for those who stand in a certain spot.

You do realize that Americans live in those states you don't give a **** about, right? Hell, if Hillary had given a **** about those states and actually campaigned in them, she might have won the EC. But she didn't.

 

[Weezer]

I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and Constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.​

-Thomas Jefferson

He also called rebellion a good thing. Are you up for overthrowing the government?

 

[OHvol40]

You do realize that Americans live in those states you don't give a **** about, right? Hell, if Hillary had given a **** about those states and actually campaigned in them, she might have won the EC. But she didn't.

She earned 3 million more votes, guess those votes just needed to be in a different longitude and latitude to count enough.

 

[OHvol40]

He also called rebellion a good thing. Are you up for overthrowing the government?

If necessary, sure.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Again, who gives a s*** about fairness for states? It’s about fairness for all Americans, not disproportionate say for those who stand in a certain spot.

You do know that states are made up of people, right? People with geographic and cultural interests? They're not just lines on a map, and their cultural/geographic/business/financial interests deserve just as much representation as the categorical interests of other areas. And many believe that it's unfair to allow entire swaths of cultural interests to be underrepresented just because those cultures happen to have less people in them. And those that believe that are in good company, going back over 200 years, and through some of history's greatest thinkers.

Feel free to convince us otherwise with a well-formed rational agument that shows that your version of "fair" is better than ours. Hopefully, an actual argument that doesn't rely on your personal credulity and the logic of your toddlers.

 

[OHvol40]

He also called rebellion a good thing. Are you up for overthrowing the government?

Are you saying he’s wrong?

 

[C-south]

She earned 3 million more votes, guess those votes just needed to be in a different longitude and latitude to count enough.

Guess where they came from? And yes most definitely.

 

[OHvol40]

You do know that states are made up of people, right? People with geographic and cultural interests? They're not just lines on a map, and their cultural/geographic/business/financial interests deserve just as much representation as the categorical interests of other areas. And many believe that it's unfair to allow entire swaths of cultural interests to be underrepresented just because those cultures happen to have less people in them. And those that believe that are in good company, going back over 200 years, and through some of history's greatest thinkers.

Feel free to convince us otherwise with a well-formed rational agument that shows that your version of "fair" is better than ours. Hopefully, an actual argument that doesn't rely on your personal credulity and the logic of your toddlers.

See the quote above

 

[OHvol40]

Guess where they came from? And yes most definitely.

Every vote counts... unless it’s for President. Amirite?

 

[C-south]

Every vote counts... unless it’s for President. Amirite?

It does count just not the way you would like.

 

[AM64]

I’m here for the Bernie Bro tears.

Gonna be a tough weekend at Bernie's.

 

[OHvol40]

It does count just not the way you would like.

Lol

 

[Orangeburst]

Are you saying he’s wrong?

Advocate for the ideals of TJ one day and protest his history the next.

 

[Orange_Crush]

See the quote above

I've seen it twice. I find it funny that you post that quote, which encourages us to make changes based on the advances of the human mind, all while you've been incapable of making any semblance of rational argument in favor of your stance.

It's truly bewildering.

 

[Weezer]

I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and Constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.​

-Thomas Jefferson

And this pertains to the EC how? Are you suggesting you know what TJ's thoughts would be on whether to choose the popular vote over the EC? I think you severely underestimate how much emphasis TJ put on the rights of individual states. He opposed a strong central government for that reason.

 

[Weezer]

She earned 3 million more votes, guess those votes just needed to be in a different longitude and latitude to count enough.

Pretty much. She shouldn't have skipped those fly over states.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

Every vote counts... unless it’s for President. Amirite?

Exactly, since you’re comparing state to national elections!

Now that I think about it, a county-by-county Electoral College for state elections is pretty intriguing...

 

[OHvol40]

I've seen it twice. I find it funny that you post that quote, which encourages us to make changes based on the advances of the human mind, all while you've been incapable of making any semblance of rational argument in favor of your stance.

It's truly bewildering.

He’s talking to you, not me. He’s telling to to stop invoking the work they did 250 years ago and put in your own work. Yet, you cling to the notion that people who lived in the 18th century know what’s best for people in 2020, so we should just shut up and accept it.

That quote is for you, my friend.

 

[Weezer]

Are you saying he’s wrong?

I'm saying that quote does nothing to express how he would feel about your support of the popular vote. He was part of the Constitutional Congress that decided on the EC to begin with.

 

[C-south]

He’s talking to you, not me. He’s telling to to stop invoking the work they did 250 years ago and put in your own work. Yet, you cling to the notion that people who lived in the 18th century know what’s best for people in 2020, so we should just shut up and accept it.

That quote is for you, my friend.

It’s worked pretty well for the most part. There’s also procedures that allow for change. Get to it.

 

[AM64]

I'd argue that the State of Virginia is a glowing example of what can go wrong with an overpopulated area out voting 90% of the property area of a state. Many Virginians I know hate it there now and are looking to move.

VA should probably carve off NOVA and give it to MD. Damn yankees already stole Arlington; so at this point, what difference does it make?