2018 QB Depth Chart

#78
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perico said:
I’ve done a full breakdown of stats before on here and the more you look at the two, the distance between the two is more clear.

#1- Dormady started his first four games vs
GA Tech 5-6
Indiana State 0-11 in the FCS
Florida 4-7
Massachusetts 4-8

That’s a combined record of 13-32. In his first game against a legit team, QD played one of the most atrocious games seen by a Vol QB in recent memory. It was Peterman vs UF, Crompton vs AU bad.

Throw in UGA, and Dormady started against teams with a combined record of 25-33

#2- Guarantano’s starts were against:
South Carolina 8-4
Alabama 11-1
Kentucky 7-5
S Miss 8-4
LSU 9-3
Vanderbilt 5-7

That is a combined record of 48-24. Dormady started and played the majority of both our cupcake games this year, a 5-6 GA Tech team, and a Florida team that was almost as bad as we were. As I mentioned above, in his one game against a top SEC opponent, and his only game vs a team ranked in the Top 15- he played the worst game of the year. JG started against 2 Top 15 teams. Had he been named the starter from day 1 and played vs Indiana State and UMass, and Dormady come in vs. the Gamecocks and Bama, his stat line would’ve likely been much superior.

You can break down QBR, TO ratio, completion pct, yards per completion rate- JG superior in every category.
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You just killed the whole debate. great job!
 
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perico said:
I’ve done a full breakdown of stats before on here and the more you look at the two, the distance between the two is more clear.

#1- Dormady started his first four games vs
GA Tech 5-6
Indiana State 0-11 in the FCS
Florida 4-7
Massachusetts 4-8

That’s a combined record of 13-32. In his first game against a legit team, QD played one of the most atrocious games seen by a Vol QB in recent memory. It was Peterman vs UF, Crompton vs AU bad.

Throw in UGA, and Dormady started against teams with a combined record of 25-33

#2- Guarantano’s starts were against:
South Carolina 8-4
Alabama 11-1
Kentucky 7-5
S Miss 8-4
LSU 9-3
Vanderbilt 5-7

That is a combined record of 48-24. Dormady started and played the majority of both our cupcake games this year, a 5-6 GA Tech team, and a Florida team that was almost as bad as we were. As I mentioned above, in his one game against a top SEC opponent, and his only game vs a team ranked in the Top 15- he played the worst game of the year. JG started against 2 Top 15 teams. Had he been named the starter from day 1 and played vs Indiana State and UMass, and Dormady come in vs. the Gamecocks and Bama, his stat line would’ve likely been much superior.

You can break down QBR, TO ratio, completion pct, yards per completion rate- JG superior in every category.
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I was already gonna say JG. I think you could see how the team responded to him. I think he earned the respect of a lot of his teammates. I think he brings a confidence and swagger needed at that position. I think he’s greatly talented but unfortunately young, frail, and under coached.

I personally am excited to see what a real strength and conditioning coach can do for him in terms of bulking up and becoming more sturdy. Most importantly excited to see how he will develop under what is at least a somewhat proven QB coach. People will say Darnold was 5* true, but he still got better, plus look at the QB at WKU when he was there, that qb threw like 3 picks against us in a Qtr, ended up being a multiple record holder for the school when he graduated.

But big shoutout to you Perico great breakdown and really should quiet the debate. I thought QD played scared and shy’ed away from contact made several poor decisions and turnover machine. JG got a lot to learn but the kid is tough and showed heart. Those entangibles can’t be taught, but he can get bigger and stronger, he can learn more schemes and techniques.

I expect QD to transfer. Leaving depth chart

QB1- JG
QB2- WMc
QB3- Throut (RS)
 
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jctenn1 said:
That all changes now and I am sure we are going to see much improvement from these young men..They just needed to be better coached...
GBO
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How do you know that? This staff is completely unproven in the 3 most important places.
 
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k-town_king said:
What are you talking about? He already lost it. :thud::thud::thud:

He was replaced for poor play, not injury or anything else.


When did QD prove anything beyond being a turnover machine? When playing garbage teams like GT and Callaway bailed him out on bad throws decent teams started picking off? Beating a couple horrible teams and getting destroyed by any decent defense you face isn't winning.
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Nobody's lost or won anything. Just in case everyones wondering we have a new staff!
 
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CJP will give his guy (Shrout) every chance on earth. Dormady most likely a non-entity, considering recovery aspect and horrible stats and results from last year. McBride has potential but was recruited to different system.

JG will have to adapt to Helton's system. Will be interesting to watch. JG has an upside. Don't give up on him yet. I saw the initial pouter grow into a quasi-leader by end of year.
 
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Its hard to judge the QB play when the WR's wasn't on the same page as the QB. Look at the play calling. The Outside Wr's ran the same routes and they had problems learning the plays. Now Callaway and Palmer have to learn a new playbook and from what I heard its going to be a thick playbook. Brandon was the only wr on the team that was on page with the QB and it showed on game day. I like Dormady going in this season. JG transfers and Mcbride will be back up. Dormady throws 26 tds next year and about 2500 yards passing
 
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I'd throw every single stat from last season out the window for these QB's and start from scratch right now.

This was one of the worst collective offenses in school history being lead by a used car salesman/gym teacher and some jack leg whose claim to fame was coaching Phillip Rivers 16 years ago. The same Rivers who didn't really show signs of life until Canales left NC ST.

Completely unfair to judge these players under those circumstances.

Personally think Guarantano showed the best collection of arm strength and talent to go along with leadership and toughness. If someone has to go to the top of the depth chart right now, he's my choice.
 
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greazy1722 said:
Its hard to judge the QB play when the WR's wasn't on the same page as the QB. Look at the play calling. The Outside Wr's ran the same routes and they had problems learning the plays. Now Callaway and Palmer have to learn a new playbook and from what I heard its going to be a thick playbook. Brandon was the only wr on the team that was on page with the QB and it showed on game day. I like Dormady going in this season. JG transfers and Mcbride will be back up. Dormady throws 26 tds next year and about 2500 yards passing
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Last years the playbook was written on a post it note so if they add a 2nd page it will be thicker than before 😄. I think the WR will adapt and learn new plays if we get a good WR coach and not someone like ZA who bragged that it takes years to learn routes the way he teaches them

JG hurt his ankle, QD had a bum shoulder so if both are healed and 100% both can be effective for us.

QD starts as a senior and plays lights out while JG comes in for a change of pace to keep the defense off balance and knows he will be the man the following year. This will allow time for JTS to redshirt and develop- he has huge upside potential but is a project who needs to be developed (and not just thrown to the wolves)
 
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nash101 said:
Last years the playbook was written on a post it note so if they add a 2nd page it will be thicker than before 😄. I think the WR will adapt and learn new plays if we get a good WR coach and not someone like ZA who bragged that it takes years to learn routes the way he teaches them

JG hurt his ankle, QD had a bum shoulder so if both are healed and 100% both can be effective for us.

QD starts as a senior and plays lights out while JG comes in for a change of pace to keep the defense off balance and knows he will be the man the following year. This will allow time for JTS to redshirt and develop- he has huge upside potential but is a project who needs to be developed (and not just thrown to the wolves)
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Sounds like a plan. What about McBride? My guess is since we are installing a completely new offensive scheme, the guy, between QD, JG, McB, who picks it up first will start. If it isn't JG, then he transfer over the summer. QD may hang around and be a grad transfer.
 
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#88
As a former QB, I have noticed that all of UT's quarterbacks hold the ball to long. The ball needs to be out of your hand in 3 seconds max unless you are rolling out on a bootleg. Many times, our QB's released the ball after receivers made their cuts instead of right before. Also on wheel routes and deep balls, the released the ball too late allowing defenders either time to react and catch up or causing our receivers to have to slow down for the ball. That has to change for a QB to be successful.
 
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Vol4gruden said:
As a former QB, I have noticed that all of UT's quarterbacks hold the ball to long. The ball needs to be out of your hand in 3 seconds max unless you are rolling out on a bootleg. Many times, our QB's released the ball after receivers made their cuts instead of right before. Also on wheel routes and deep balls, the released the ball too late allowing defenders either time to react and catch up or causing our receivers to have to slow down for the ball. That has to change for a QB to be successful.
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And part of that could have been because the QB's didn't have confidence the receivers would run the proper routes.
 
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I think Shrout actually has a chance to start or at least be backup. They may want to redshirt him but if he impresses the coaches enough during spring practice or whatever, I think he's got a chance.

But who knows- JG, Dormandy, McBride all seem like they can be really good with proper coaching.

And I agree with a previous poster that McBride seemed to have the most poise on the field. He seemed in the zone. If he can get a little better with great coaching I think he'd be really good.
 
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k-town_king said:
What are you talking about? He already lost it. :thud::thud::thud:

He was replaced for poor play, not injury or anything else.


When did QD prove anything beyond being a turnover machine? When playing garbage teams like GT and Callaway bailed him out on bad throws decent teams started picking off? Beating a couple horrible teams and getting destroyed by any decent defense you face isn't winning.
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Quit taking everything so PERSONAL! Blank slate with new coaches. No conflated conspiracy theories about who’s engaged to who. Straight up X’s and O’s evaluations. If JG is the best fit, he wins the job...simple. :cool2:

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greazy1722 said:
Its hard to judge the QB play when the WR's wasn't on the same page as the QB. Look at the play calling. The Outside Wr's ran the same routes and they had problems learning the plays. Now Callaway and Palmer have to learn a new playbook and from what I heard its going to be a thick playbook. Brandon was the only wr on the team that was on page with the QB and it showed on game day. I like Dormady going in this season. JG transfers and Mcbride will be back up. Dormady throws 26 tds next year and about 2500 yards passing
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What if he throws for 26 interceptions too? He was playing early in the season when *the whole darn team* wasn't injured and was 6YD/6INT (yes the OL still sucked I get it). But...

I don't think he ever showed leadership on the field. Sometimes when I was watching I was thinking that he doesn't really care. Whereas JG had emotion which you saw when he threw his helmet on the ground at the loss. McBride seemed to be really confident out there despite everything (crappy, injured team; was a redshirt; very young).

JG needs more poise and confidence in himself I think. McBride just needs to develop a bit.
 
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Snapper58 said:
And part of that could have been because the QB's didn't have confidence the receivers would run the proper routes.
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Very well could be, but you still have to put the ball where it's suppose to be. If the receiver runs the wrong route, then it's on him. But if he does run it correctly and the ball isn't there or too late getting there, then it's on the QB which was the case most of the time.
 
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#94
One thought on OL...move Tuttle to OG or C. He has missed a lot of time to lower body injuries. A couple of centuries ago a monster DT had a serious knee injury (long before the modern miracles of today's orthos), moved to OG and became an All Conf OL. FWIW Joe Graham.
 
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Hawkeye4588 said:
I am frustrated about Dormady because he was so bipolar. He showed us that in the first game against Tech. 3 quarters of garbage and a brilliant 4th quarter. I heard Eric Ainge mention there are certain mistakes college quarterbacks are told they can never make and QD makes them all every game. The positive there is it sounds like he was never developed so if we can train him to think and respond like a good college QB is supposed to I think he could be brilliant.
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Amazing what happens to a QB’s confidence when 50% of his picks occurred because of inability of receivers. Two pick sixes came off balls that Palmer/Callaway shoulda caught and another puck occurred at the goal line because Palmer didn’t run the right route.

QB’s get the fame and blame but 3 of his picks weren’t his fault.
 
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GVol1966 said:
Who is this Eason we have?
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Eason won’t go to TN if he leaves GA. Would be shocking if Pruitt convinced him to come here. If that was the case we win 8 easy next year but not knowing the QB for next year all is up in the air until we see what we got after the Orange and White game:...after this sh$&y season we just had I’m ready to see winning again and LOTS of it!!!!!
 
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Vol4gruden said:
Very well could be, but you still have to put the ball where it's suppose to be. If the receiver runs the wrong route, then it's on him. But if he does run it correctly and the ball isn't there or too late getting there, then it's on the QB which was the case most of the time.
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And you knew the routes the receivers were suppose to run? And did they make their breaks on time? Were they suppose to run that route on a previous play and didn't? Not having confidence in the receivers can cause all the things that have been mentioned here for all the QB's.
 
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greazy1722 said:
Its hard to judge the QB play when the WR's wasn't on the same page as the QB. Look at the play calling. The Outside Wr's ran the same routes and they had problems learning the plays. Now Callaway and Palmer have to learn a new playbook and from what I heard its going to be a thick playbook. Brandon was the only wr on the team that was on page with the QB and it showed on game day. I like Dormady going in this season. JG transfers and Mcbride will be back up. Dormady throws 26 tds next year and about 2500 yards passing
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So he willalso throw 20 ish ints also, ill pass, QD has horrible decision making skills.
 
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fifties fan said:
One thought on OL...move Tuttle to OG or C. He has missed a lot of time to lower body injuries. A couple of centuries ago a monster DT had a serious knee injury (long before the modern miracles of today's orthos), moved to OG and became an All Conf OL. FWIW Joe Graham.
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I would swap kongbo, he seems to like holding a block.
 
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