2018 Midterm Election Thread

[JCP201]

I actually think Ford came forward in good faith. Kavanaugh was being considered for the SC when Mitt Romney was running back in 2012, the same time Ford allegedly told her therapist. Now that K was being considered again, she came forward again. There is a pattern indicating that she had genuine concern over K being a SCJ.

However, the Dems turned Ford into a political weapon and politicized the whole process.

Now,I can agree with this 100 percent.

 

[BeecherVol]

They wouldn't be in that situation because they haven't done that.. I really don't think there are millions of evil women that just go around falsely accusing men because its so much fun to do so.

Please clarify, you don't have to be "there" (where ever there is) to be accused.

You don't need millions, all thats required is 1.

 

[BeecherVol]

I think she is a good role model for young people. She was being compared to someone like Justin Beiber, so I had to speak out. We also know she went through that sexual harrassment trial with the Disc Jockey, (which she won) so she would tend to feel strongly about being believed.

that's the thing-- if it's "possible", then he should never have gotten the job, this wasn't a criminal trial. I know some of the guy's wives on here (who have been though assault) thought Ford was a big liar, and give people who have been assaulted a bad name, so there is that view too. I also think while many people on here are skeptical at the reasoning for the OTT outrage right now from women protesters (just afraid about their abortions, etc) there are women who have been through harrassment and assault, and don't think it's a very rare occurence.

"Possible" can be just based off the fact you're of similar age living in the same area. If that the standard?

 

[JCP201]

Please clarify, you don't have to be "there" (where ever there is) to be accused.

You don't need millions, all thats required is 1.

If it was a trial, the accuser would have to prove it. Those people named in my life could not be convicted of that because they are incapable of acting that way. Ford was concerned because she didn't think he should be a Supreme court justice. She sent a letter, it was leaked and then she told her story. It is apparent that he did associate with people from the school she attended, and he was proven to be a heavy underage drinker. There was another girl who claimed another incident. It was their word against his. He is on the Supreme court. hurray hurray, justice prevailed for Republicans.

 

[volinbham]

Real Clear Politics moved Texas from toss up to leans Republican - still has prediction at 51 - 49 (GOP control).

538 has about 80% chance GOP keeps Senate control.

House still looks to be a take over by the Dems in both.

 

[volinbham]

If it was a trial, the accuser would have to prove it. Those people named in my life could not be convicted of that because they are incapable of acting that way. Ford was concerned because she didn't think he should be a Supreme court justice. She sent a letter, it was leaked and then she told her story. It is apparent that he did associate with people from the school she attended, and he was proven to be a heavy underage drinker. There was another girl who claimed another incident. It was their word against his. He is on the Supreme court. hurray hurray, justice prevailed for Republicans.

The points I would add are that none of the people allegedly at the party backed up her claim of there even being such a party and her best friend at the time (also alleged to be the only other female at the party) says she didn't even known Kavanaugh let alone attend a party with him.

It wasn't just her word against his - it was her word against 4 other people.

 

[InVOLuntary]

They wouldn't be in that situation because they haven't done that.. I really don't think there are millions of evil women that just go around falsely accusing men because its so much fun to do so.

So you selectively apply your logic. I'm sure BK's wife, mother, sister, daughter, also believe he's never done that. I don't think there are millions of evil women that do that either but I think it's very likely she one of them. She's a known liberal activist, thus the scrubbing of her social media. Did you watch the video of Pelosi describing this exact tactic they they employ? I mean it was this scenario to a "T".

 

[InVOLuntary]

I actually think Ford came forward in good faith. Kavanaugh was being considered for the SC when Mitt Romney was running back in 2012, the same time Ford allegedly told her therapist. Now that K was being considered again, she came forward again. There is a pattern indicating that she had genuine concern over K being a SCJ.

However, the Dems turned Ford into a political weapon and politicized the whole process.

Four things that make her coming forward in good faith unlikely in my mind:

1. She refused to release her therapist notes that could have corroborated her story.

2. She scrubbed all her social media accounts that would portray her as the liberal activist that she is.

3. She wanted this to be tried in the court of public opinion. She claims she wanted anonymity yet chose to do this on the biggest stage as possible. She could have very well stayed home and let the committee come to her and do the interview in private but didn't.

4. Many people that know her said she didn't even act or look like her normal self. Said they didn't even recognize her voice and wouldn't have believed it was her hadn't their been video attached. This screams acting to me which is what I believe it was.

 

[85SugarVol]

If it was a trial, the accuser would have to prove it. Those people named in my life could not be convicted of that because they are incapable of acting that way. Ford was concerned because she didn't think he should be a Supreme court justice. She sent a letter, it was leaked and then she told her story. It is apparent that he did associate with people from the school she attended, and he was proven to be a heavy underage drinker. There was another girl who claimed another incident. It was their word against his. He is on the Supreme court. hurray hurray, justice prevailed for Republicans.

Not a single corroborating witness for either “credible” accuser...

 

[InVOLuntary]

If it was a trial, the accuser would have to prove it. Those people named in my life could not be convicted of that because they are incapable of acting that way. Ford was concerned because she didn't think he should be a Supreme court justice. She sent a letter, it was leaked and then she told her story. It is apparent that he did associate with people from the school she attended, and he was proven to be a heavy underage drinker. There was another girl who claimed another incident. It was their word against his. He is on the Supreme court. hurray hurray, justice prevailed for all Americans.

FYP

 

[JCP201]

So you selectively apply your logic. I'm sure BK's wife, mother, sister, daughter, also believe he's never done that. I don't think there are millions of evil women that do that either but I think it's very likely she one of them. She's a known liberal activist, thus the scrubbing of her social media. Did you watch the video of Pelosi describing this exact tactic they they employ? I mean it was this scenario to a "T".

Not a fan of Pelosi but..

Fake News: Pelosi Did NOT Describe Democrat Wrap Up Smear Tactic In Video | Lead Stories

 

[BeecherVol]

If it was a trial, the accuser would have to prove it. Those people named in my life could not be convicted of that because they are incapable of acting that way. Ford was concerned because she didn't think he should be a Supreme court justice. She sent a letter, it was leaked and then she told her story. It is apparent that he did associate with people from the school she attended, and he was proven to be a heavy underage drinker. There was another girl who claimed another incident. It was their word against his. He is on the Supreme court. hurray hurray, justice prevailed for Republicans.

Its not a trial and that change of comparison wasn't made that I am aware of in the post you quoted so that is irrelevant. They don't need to act any particular way to be confused or just flat out wrongly accused. Having reset the comparison do you still feel the same way?

The first bold doesn't = sexual predator. And its a scary thought if that does it.

The second bold sounds good but its not all together that simple.

 

[Grand Vol]

Would that be only women who have mental illness? Some people drink too much and do all kinds of things they would never do sober.

I used to do that sans alcohol...

 

[JCP201]

FYP

I think it's political for a lot of people (many cheering Republicans thus the comment) , but not to me.
I don't care if he makes Abortion illegal. I don't think they ever will and I think Republicans use that to get the relgious right to vote for them. I think Democrats use this issue to get women who want choice into voting for them.

Everyone knows what I think. I'm obviously outnumbered. I just hope you guys are right and I'm wrong. I'm done fussing today.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Not a fan of Pelosi but..

Fake News: Pelosi Did NOT Describe Democrat Wrap Up Smear Tactic In Video | Lead Stories

I saw it and heard it with my own eyes and ears. Now if you want to argue that she wasn't advocating it that's one thing. But she did say it for all to hear. I guess that you could argue that it's a coincident that that's exactly the strategy that was employed against JK.

 

[Grand Vol]

I"m done fussing today.

I could make an extremely sexist remark, but I'll refrain.

However, you think you could teach LG that trick?

 

[RikidyBones]

I understand everything you said. I just disagree with that being the view of centrists. That is the view of the right as portrayed by the right. What you call centrist, I call right. What I call centrist, you call left.

Who was the last democrat you voted for in a presidential election?

OC is spot in and I consider myself a moderate. last D that I voted for? Obama.

you're wrong in your assumptions luther. Might need to take a step back and recognize that you're just out of touch from the center.

 

[BeecherVol]

I used to do that sans alcohol...

The new acceptable standard is scary.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think it's political for a lot of people (many cheering Republicans thus the comment) , but not to me.
I don't care if he makes Abortion illegal. I don't think they ever will and I think Republicans use that to get the relgious right to vote for them. I think Democrats use this issue to get women who want choice into voting for them.

Everyone knows what I think. I'm obviously outnumbered. I just hope you guys are right and I'm wrong. I"m done fussing today.

I think you'd be wrong. Despite being Pro-life, I don't advocate overturning RvW. I think if you polled most conservatives, they'll tell you the same. I think the democrats are the ones that stirred up the RvW and put the liberal left in a frenzy over it.

If you put partisanship aside, it was a victory for all Americans It would be a pretty scary place if anyone could accuse you of something in the past with zero corroboration and it negatively impact your life. You might believe your father, son, brother is capable of that but in a case like this it wouldn't matter. It would only matter if the accusers were believable in others eyes. Very slippery slope and I think you are smart enough to see that.

Also, we're not fussing, we're discussing.

 

[Matt2496]

Four things that make her coming forward in good faith unlikely in my mind:

1. She refused to release her therapist notes that could have corroborated her story.

2. She scrubbed all her social media accounts that would portray her as the liberal activist that she is.

3. She wanted this to be tried in the court of public opinion. She claims she wanted anonymity yet chose to do this on the biggest stage as possible. She could have very well stayed home and let the committee come to her and do the interview in private but didn't.

4. Many people that know her said she didn't even act or look like her normal self. Said they didn't even recognize her voice and wouldn't have believed it was her hadn't their been video attached. This screams acting to me which is what I believe it was.

All good points

 

[Grand Vol]

The new acceptable standard is scary.

Actually, I just called it "being an idiot teen and young 20 something."

Didn't sexually assault anyone though.

 

[BeecherVol]

Actually, I just called it "being an idiot teen and young 20 something."

Didn't sexually assault anyone though.

But you just exponentially raised the "probability" if ever accused.

 

[AirVol]

You think the GoFundMe is all the money she'll get? Do you think it's possible she was promised money up front that was filtered through GoFundMe?

Would you like the same standards applied to your father, brother, husband, son?

The FBI will look into it.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The FBI will look into it.

I hope so.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm going to pistol whip the next person that says the word "shenanigans".