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Vol8188 said:
A few received it through a loophole that was never meant to happen. They're coming here for jobs and education. Not for food stamps and free health care as you suggest
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This I agree with. That is why I think we should prosecute employers who hire illegal immigrants (even subcontractors) and have a conviction carry stiff penalties including jail time. Also a parent must show proof of citizenship or legal status to enroll a kid in public school. And of course modify birthright citizenship to require at least 1 parent be a citizen for the kid to automatically be one.

I know this will illicit the "but who's going to pick the vegetables or pour the concrete argument". Well to aid in getting Americans interested in working and not being on the dole we make a couple changes in the social safety net. We eliminate the federal minimum wage, turn that over to the states and modify the time allowed and qualifications to receive assistance. We send the message to all able bodied and mind people that you work or starve. Illegal immigration solved.
 
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hog88 said:
This I agree with. That is why I think we should prosecute employers who hire illegal immigrants (even subcontractors) and have a conviction carry stiff penalties including jail time. Also a parent must show proof of citizenship or legal status to enroll a kid in public school. And of course modify birthright citizenship to require at least 1 parent be a citizen for the kid to automatically be one.

I know this will illicit the "but who's going to pick the vegetables or pour the concrete argument". Well to aid in getting Americans interested in working and not being on the dole we make a couple changes in the social safety net. We eliminate the federal minimum wage, turn that over to the states and modify the time allowed and qualifications to receive assistance. We send the message to all able bodied and mind people that you work or starve. Illegal immigration solved.
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I actually agree with most of this
 
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Does anyone here believe Trump doesn't fit the definition of a fascist? If so, why?
 
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Vol8188 said:
A few received it through a loophole that was never meant to happen. They're coming here for jobs and education. Not for food stamps and free health care as you suggest
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What exactly do you call health care? They may be coming here for jobs and etc., but they're gaming the system as well.
 
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Trumps tax plan...

Called the “1-5-10-15” income tax plan–this will likely form the basis of his presidential campaign. Tax proposals consist of the following:
* Those making up to $30,000 will pay 1 percent.
* Income from $30,000 to $100,000 results in a flat 5 percent.
* $100,000 to $1 million income will be taxed at 10 percent.
* On $1 million or above will be taxed 15 percent.

Trump Tax Plan: What America?s Middle Class Needs | www.prntly.com

What do you guys think?
 
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volinbham said:
Sanders - "the rich are screwing you and keeping you from having good paying jobs"
Trump - "illegal immigrants including visa overstays are screwing you as a tax payer and taking your jobs"

Why is one "hate" and the other not hate? The only difference is the object.
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My comments concerning Trump aren't just confined to his stance on illegals. I take into account his statements about women and Muslims, as well as his very troubling provocations to physical violence when confronted by what he considers a hostile person at an event. The latter, in particular, makes me wonder what Trump's actual thoughts are on the First Amendment.

It's not so much that Trump is hateful or bigoted in the conventional sense, by which we mean someone who is just blatantly racist, sexist, ethnocentric, etc. His approach is much more subtle, and it may be that he doesn't even realize how bigoted he is himself. Trump's approach appeals to the most base element in us but in a manner that does not necessarily turn people away or cause undue alarm. It's a very smart bigotry, whether it is conscious on his part or not.

Regarding Sanders, I guess I can see what you're saying, although it's hard for me to have the same level of concern with his commentary as with Trump's. The reason I say this is because, whether it seems callous or not, the wealthy and the elite don't really need my sympathy if some old coot is out railing against them. They're going to be just fine; this isn't the Soviet Union. The people whom Trump has it out after are not in positions of power though; they may not be fine.

Now, if Sanders was openly calling for violence to solve our ills, then I'd see things much more the way you apparently do.
 
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Trumps tax plan...

Called the “1-5-10-15” income tax plan–this will likely form the basis of his presidential campaign. Tax proposals consist of the following:
* Those making up to $30,000 will pay 1 percent.
* Income from $30,000 to $100,000 results in a flat 5 percent.
* $100,000 to $1 million income will be taxed at 10 percent.
* On $1 million or above will be taxed 15 percent.

Trump Tax Plan: What America?s Middle Class Needs | www.prntly.com

What do you guys think?
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I actually really like the plan itself, but given he's not mentioned many cuts at all to spending (but has mentioned increases like a wall), I don't see this working out
 
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Vol8188 said:
I actually really like the plan itself, but given he's not mentioned many cuts at all to spending (but has mentioned increases like a wall), I don't see this working out
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I believe lowering the tax burden will increase the revenues received by both the state and the fed.

Mexico is going to pay for the wall. :)
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, sorry
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He has fascistic elements to his incoherent philosophy, but, no, he is no fascist. I say this for multiple reasons, which I will enumerate below. I should note that I am going by the conventional (political science specific) definition of "fascism" and not our contemporary, popular usage.

1. Trump is about as close to the reactionary pagan ethos of masculinity and individuality that fascism promotes as I am to inheriting his estate. He's a pathetic caricature of an adolescent girl whose self-worth is determined by Twitter followers. Trump's concept of masculinity, in particular, is so far from the fascist one, it is hard to make a case that Trump can be fascist from this point alone. Trump's masculinity, which may pass for "alpha male-ism" in some quarters, is actually behavior more like a woman's, according to the fascist mindset. He's soft, pudgy, bratty, whiny, and undisciplined.

2. Trump's reactionary "Make America Great Again" seems to ring harmonious with fascism's vision of a glorious national past, and I think it is here that one would have their strongest case for Trump the fascist. However, given Trump's fiscal policies, the America he is apparently seeking to resurrect is not the America of the past; it's very much the America of today. It's some sort of Trump idiosyncrasy and not reality, although certainly every fascist is guilty of historically bankrupt romanticism. Regardless, Trump is no reactionary or revisionist when his thinking is actually examined. It just appears that what. (He is, however, an atavism when it comes to rhetoric concerning certain minority groups.)

3. In order to be fascist, you have to have a specific ethnic group whose destiny you conflate with that of the nation. While Trump is a bigot, he doesn't necessarily construct American history in terms of any particular ethnic group, in any particular "volk."

Now, even though Trump is not a fascist, this does not mean he is not a demagogue, because he most certainly is.
 
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hog88 said:
We send the message to all able bodied and mind people that you work or starve. Illegal immigration solved.
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Yeah I'd love to see the unemployed Americans get off their lazy ass and do the jobs that illegals are doing. You guys act like illegals are stealing high paying career type jobs. No they're in the fields, scrubbing toilets, flipping burgers, laying bricks, pouring concrete etc. laboring jobs that the unemployed americans don't want to do. Our country will see real quick how valuable these undocumented immigrants are without them.
 
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Obsessed said:
Trumps tax plan...

Called the “1-5-10-15” income tax plan–this will likely form the basis of his presidential campaign. Tax proposals consist of the following:
* Those making up to $30,000 will pay 1 percent.
* Income from $30,000 to $100,000 results in a flat 5 percent.
* $100,000 to $1 million income will be taxed at 10 percent.
* On $1 million or above will be taxed 15 percent.

Trump Tax Plan: What America?s Middle Class Needs | www.prntly.com

What do you guys think?
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Putting any kind of hard number on money is idiotic. See: AMT.

that being said, I do like the low percentages. It will never fly, and the idiots in congress will vastly overspend it.
 
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Stoked said:
Yeah I'd love to see the unemployed Americans get off their lazy ass and do the jobs that illegals are doing. You guys act like illegals are stealing high paying career type jobs. No they're in the fields, scrubbing toilets, flipping burgers, laying bricks, pouring concrete etc. laboring jobs that the unemployed americans don't want to do. Our country will see real quick how valuable these undocumented immigrants are without them.
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QFT.:good!: Anybody that thinks about it has no problem with those people. It is the ones that come here, drop a kid, and sign up for the bennies. That's why anchor babies have got to go. Fire away -88. It's wrong no matter how it is sliced.
 
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