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Grand Vol said:
That's what always cracks me up about his constant references to "I've only spent $X amount on campaign and Candidate Y spent enough to choke a rhino."

No kidding guy, you don't need to spend money when the media is constantly saying "WTF did Donald just say?" and reporting on it for days on end. So wham, bam, thank you ma'am, free coverage and free campaign exposure. And other than the Pope comments the other day, he really hasn't gone off the deep end making comments since getting a comfortable lead. He has run a brilliant campaign by making the media report on him and give him the most exposure of any candidate.

So yes, he is really smart by making as controversial comments as he can and letting the media campaign for him.
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Trump is nothing but a media creation. Without them, his entire campaign would fall apart. Media is most often merely about appearance rather than substance, and Trump is probably the most appearance/least substance serious candidate we've ever had.

His campaign is smart to portray Trump's struggle, whatever the hell that means, as a battle between him and the media. At nearly every speaking event, he singles out the media to his audience, portraying the media as his and his supporters' worst enemy. In fact, it's exactly the opposite. The two were made for one another, and the media is the only reason why his circus clown show was ever able to get off the ground in the first place. It grieves me that we have a media system in place that essentially legitimizes the campaign of someone who sounds like he stepped out of the 1800s and who thinks running this country will be like acting aggressively in his board room.
 
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He got his campaign off ground when he said he'd secure the border 1st. The establishment wasn't even talking about it. That's why they are getting their clock cleaned
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
How is that any different than Cankles?
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The media does its share to legitimize her campaign as well, most ignoring the fact that she should be in federal prison. However, her campaign is not full of clown rhetoric and non-substantive policies, whether or not they are good.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
He got his campaign off ground when he said he'd secure the border 1st. The establishment wasn't even talking about it. That's why they are getting their clock cleaned
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Illegal immigration is currently of the least actual concern it has been in several decades, which makes Trump's campaign even more of a joke.
 
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volprof said:
How smart is Donald J. Trump?

He's not only somehow duped serious national media into legitimizing and dignifying his campaign of casual bigotry and hate by treating him as a serious presidential candidate, but he's also duped millions of Americans into thinking that illegal immigration, a problem that was much more demanding two decades ago, is the biggest problem facing this country today.

So either Donald J. Trump is smarter than the rest of us, or we're all just so stupid it doesn't make any difference whether he's smarter or not.
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I agree with some of this but I think all the Trump critics who think it's bigotry and hate are missing the point.

I'd argue that Sanders is his mirror image and if Trump is living on bigotry/hate then the same must be said of Sanders (bigotry and hate towards the rich and corporations).

What do both have in common? They are not part of the party machines. People on both sides are angry at the state of the country and squarely blame politicians for getting us there. The Sanders supporters simply have different boogeymen than the Trump supporters.

It's not about hate and bigotry - it's about dissatisfaction with the political machine that is dysfunctional. Neither is the right person to fix it but both seem like the best choice among lousy choices to take it on.
 
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volprof said:
Illegal immigration is currently of the least actual concern it has been in several decades, which makes Trump's campaign even more of a joke.
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Yea man is that why he is getting record turn out? 46% of Hispanics voted for him because they came here legally and don't want people who came here illegally to get a free pass. Drugs are a major problem in middle America
 
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volprof said:
Illegal immigration is currently of the least actual concern it has been in several decades, which makes Trump's campaign even more of a joke.
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I hate to go all LG and tell you what Joe Sixpack is really thinking but I'll offer this up as a possible explanation.

Illegal immigration is a symbolic issue. The fact we can't control who comes and goes, don't know who is here seems like a big government failure.

Further, anyone concerned with entitlement creep sees illegal immigration (rightly or wrongly) as just adding to the problem - more give aways; more deficit.

Finally, we see the defenders of illegal immigration labeling anyone who disagrees as a bigot/hater and it's one more example of the PC police demonizing citizens who don't think "correctly".

So is illegal immigration itself a real problem - probably not in the bigger scheme of things.

But it could symbolically represent big government growth and big government failure so someone who says "I'll fix this" gains support.

Just a theory.
 
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37L1 said:
What's it like on your planet?

Any intelligent life there?
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As the Department of Homeland Security continues to pour money into border security, evidence is emerging that illegal immigration flows have fallen to their lowest level in at least two decades. The nation’s population of illegal immigrants, which more than tripled, to 12.2 million, between 1990 and 2007, has dropped by about 1 million, according to demographers at the Pew Research Center.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...caf02c-006b-11e5-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html

Just because a guy who looks like an orangutan says it doesn't make it true.
 
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volprof said:
The media does its share to legitimize her campaign as well, most ignoring the fact that she should be in federal prison. However, her campaign is not full of clown rhetoric and non-substantive policies, whether or not they are good.
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No, she just calls Republicans racists for wanting voter id.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree with some of this but I think all the Trump critics who think it's bigotry and hate are missing the point.

I'd argue that Sanders is his mirror image and if Trump is living on bigotry/hate then the same must be said of Sanders (bigotry and hate towards the rich and corporations).

What do both have in common? They are not part of the party machines. People on both sides are angry at the state of the country and squarely blame politicians for getting us there. The Sanders supporters simply have different boogeymen than the Trump supporters.

It's not about hate and bigotry - it's about dissatisfaction with the political machine that is dysfunctional. Neither is the right person to fix it but both seem like the best choice among lousy choices to take it on.
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You think Sanders' message is one of hate for the rich? I guess you could look at it that way. I tend to look at it more like a guy who is upset with the wealthy demanding they take a bigger role in giving back to a nation that has given them so much. That this message, however, may unintentionally encourage some of his followers to hate the wealthy is probably a given.

I suppose either candidate could whip some unscrupulous people into acts of violence against certain target groups in a delusional frenzied state, but it seems to me that there is more of a violence to Trump's rhetoric (although he never directly calls for violence against Muslims or illegals), which is probably not helped by the fact that he often encourages attendees at his events to beat up fellow attendees who are "stirring up trouble," in his opinion.
 
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volprof said:
You think Sanders' message is one of hate for the rich? I guess you could look at it that way. I tend to look at it more like a guy who is upset with the wealthy demanding they take a bigger role in giving back to a nation that has given them so much. That this message, however, may unintentionally encourage some of his followers to hate the wealthy is probably a given.
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which is ironic coming from a guy who didn't have a job until he was 40 so most likely didn't contirbute shyt to the economy. WTF
 
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One step closer

Today Federal Judge Emmet G. Sullivan granted JW's motion for discovery into whether the State Department and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton deliberately thwarted the FOIA for six years. The developments come in a JW FOIA lawsuit that seeks records about the controversial employment status of Huma Abedin, former Deputy Chief of Staff to Clinton. The lawsuit was reopened because of revelations about Clinton’s separate email records (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:13-cv-01363)) Judge Sullivan authorized JW to submit a plan for “narrowly-tailored discovery.” Judge Sullivan is also considering whether to order the State Department to subpoena all the emails on the clinton.com email system.
 
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volprof said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...caf02c-006b-11e5-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html

Just because a guy who looks like an orangutan says it doesn't make it true.
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theFallGuy said:
which is ironic coming from a guy who didn't have a job until he was 40 so most likely didn't contirbute shyt to the economy. WTF
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The particulars of his comments and thinking, and the legitimacy of his perspective is a matter of concern. I just disagree with bham, however, that his is a message of hate and bigotry towards the wealthy. I don't doubt though that some of his followers take it that way.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I'm curious as to what government benefits you believe they receive?
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"Starting in 2017, the Social Security Administration expects that thousands of undocumented immigrants will begin collecting from the Old-Age, Survivor’s, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) program as a direct result of the president’s actions.

Read more at: National Review Online
 
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37L1 said:
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I understand that the border is a problem, as indeed most borders are. It is not, however, as serious of a problem as it as been in the past, yet we have a candidate making millions of Americans believe it's the worst it has ever been and may in fact be the most demanding problem we face as a country. That, quite frankly, is just a bunch of uninformed horse****.
 
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This is interesting..Clinton only got 18% of the under 30 vote in Nevada..Will they come out for her in the general or sit this one out?

There was a scenario, which looks more like a fantasy, in which Clinton was a movement. Women in their twenties, thirties, and forties would rally to her the way black Americans rallied to Obama; she would run on her own mantle of change.

In reality, nobody is that excited about Hillary Clinton, and young voters, women and men — the foot soldiers of any Democratic Party movement — aren’t coming around. She lost a resounding 82% of voters under 30 in Nevada. Her campaign now rests on the hope that voters of color like her well enough, if nowhere near as much as they like Obama. And that means that when she faces a Republican, she will have to destroy him — something the people who will be doing the destroying acknowledged when I asked them earlier this month.

“The slogan is ‘Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid,’” said Paul Begala, who is an adviser to the pro-Clinton super PAC Priorities USA.

Begala’s group works on the negative side of the political ledger, and he argued that Clinton will have supporters — Sanders among them — helping to rally Democrats. But he and other top Democratic operatives agreed that 2016 will be, as the technical term for negative politics goes, “a contrast election.”
 
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Hillary coming to Georgia State to secure the black vote here. I'm curious to see how it turns out.
 
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