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alexmanu said:
I agree, but it annoys me that the whole 'war on women' BS has led us down a road where we end up hiring people on the basis of gender over merit.
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Being successful Governors actually makes them more qualified than Rubio.
 
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n_huffhines said:
IDG how that makes him different from W, especially since he supports aid?
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The only people who don't support a total cut of foreign aid are delusional or have the last name Paul. The bill Runio sponsored was a check on the government just giving out foreign aid.
 
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n_huffhines said:
what are you talking about?
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What do I mean? It's easy, you use an example of Rubio's "bog government, war hawk" attitude by presenting a web page that's filled with all sorts of nonsense and then on to an Amendment that got overwhelmingly defeated in the Senate.

You can barely get 81 Senators to agree on the color of the sky, much less vote against something like that. So both your examples don't provide any more proof of your claims if you dig a little deeper.

You love Rand. I got it. He's out though.
 
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Grand Vol said:
What do I mean?
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No. What are you talking about with the swing vote comment? I didn't imply that he was a swing vote and it has nothing to do with my point.

I'm not going to be able to give you an answer you like/accept. I can write an article myself, I can share a well-thought out article that exists, or I can talk about Rubio's voting record...either which way, you're going to perform mental gymnastics to convince yourself he is not a neo-conservative.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No. What are you talking about with the swing vote comment? I didn't imply that he was a swing vote and it has nothing to do with my point.

I'm not going to be able to give you an answer you like/accept. I can write an article myself, I can share a well-thought out article that exists, or I can talk about Rubio's voting record...either which way, you're going to perform mental gymnastics to convince yourself he is not a neo-conservative.
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I'm more than willing to debate the merits of your arguments. But you have to give me something to debate instead of a website that's completely off kilter on it's bias and a single Amendment that was overwhelmingly defeated.

"He is a neo-con" is the political equivalent of "he's a racist." Impossible to disprove once it's on the mind. Give me examples and we'll discuss.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm more than willing to debate the merits of your arguments. But you have to give me something to debate instead of a website that's completely off kilter on it's bias and a single Amendment that was overwhelmingly defeated.

"He is a neo-con" is the political equivalent of "he's a racist." Impossible to disprove once it's on the mind. Give me examples and we'll discuss.
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Maybe you should contribute instead of just saying, "Nope, give me more." Like, how about you explain why it matters that the bill was defeated? I have no idea why you think that factors.

I'm the only one giving examples here, btw. People just say broad things like he's different on "foreign aid" when he's not. I show that he's not, and you say, "show me more". How about you show me how he is different on foreign aid?

Foreign Aid = Welfare and we all know how conservatives are supposed to feel about that. Why does Rubio vote for aid to Egypt, Libya, and Pakistan if he is a conservative? He's not. He's a neocon.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And as another example of the kind of stuff that comes out of that link you provided:

Hillary Clinton Is One of the Most Ethical (and Most Lied About) Political Leaders in America - Blue Nation Review

Yeah, totally objective.
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I never said it was objective. That article has nothing to do with the article I shared. If you want to dispute points made in the article I shared, fine. That's totally fair game. You're attacking the source rather than the message because you can't (or it's harder to) disprove the message. Parlor tricks.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Maybe you should contribute instead of just saying, "Nope, give me more." Like, how about you explain why it matters that the bill was defeated? I have no idea why you think that factors.

I'm the only one giving examples here, btw. People just say broad things like he's different on "foreign aid" when he's not. I show that he's not, and you say, "show me more". How about you show me how he is different on foreign aid?

Foreign Aid = Welfare and we all know how conservatives are supposed to feel about that. Why does Rubio vote for aid to Egypt, Libya, and Pakistan if he is a conservative? He's not. He's a neocon.
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Rubio: Can't lump Pakistan, Libya and Egypt together in vote on Paul's bill | TheHill

“Paul’s amendment would condition aid for three countries,” Rubio said. “This is complicated issue and not all of these countries are the same.”

Rubio said America should expect more from leaders in the Middle East, but that cutting off aid does not help those countries protect the American embassies there.

Rubio said extremists, not the governments, executed some of the acts in the Middle East.

“We also have to accept the cold hard fact that there are extremists in that region who are never going to change their mind,” Rubio said. “They are radical Islamists, violent people, and either they win or we win and the sooner we accept that the better off we will be.
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Next?

ETA:

"Sen. Paul’s legislation lumps in three different countries with three very different situations and I could not support such a measure as drafted. Prior to the vote on this matter I urged Senator Paul to consider, at a minimum, restructuring his amendment to recognize that there are considerable differences between Libya, Egypt and Pakistan. Since no changes were ultimately made, I opposed this measure."
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Fighting for Florida - U.S. Senator for Florida, Marco Rubio
 
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n_huffhines said:
I never said it was objective. That article has nothing to do with the article I shared. If you want to dispute points made in the article I shared, fine. That's totally fair game. You're attacking the source rather than the message because you can't (or it's harder to) disprove the message. Parlor tricks.
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You really want me to dig into that article?

I can, but I don't think you're going to like the outcome...
 
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n_huffhines said:
How does that relate to the points being made here? I am saying that supporting foreign aid makes one a neoconservative. Your link explains why he is supporting foreign aid, IE it is explaining why he took a neoconservative position...
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Very black and white matter for you I see.

You asked for why he wouldn't support it. I gave that info. Now you can't refute and start moving to the absolutes.

Foreign aid = Neo-con

Don't support foreign aid = Rand
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why are we providing aid to them to begin with? Ever conservative on here will ***** forever about giving money to poor Americans, but you don't care about handouts to Muslim countries?
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Conservatives do not mind helping those that need it. Conservatives do not like providing a living to those that can provide for themselves. Big ****ing difference!

It's our ****ing fault those 3 countries need assistance right now.
 
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hog88 said:
Conservatives do not mind helping those that need it. Conservatives do not like providing a living to those that can provide for themselves. Big ****ing difference!

It's our ****ing fault those 3 countries need assistance right now.
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Nor is it our ****ing job. If we can't help our own, we don't need to be helping others.

And for the record: we are partially to blame
 
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