2016 Election

[hog88]

It has nothing to do with isolationism. It's welfare + federal government and you mix the 2 and you get madness like we see in our current system. We give aid to Israel and her enemies. WTF. Who supports this lunacy?

Here is a link for you to study. It's not all about the ME.

Explore | ForeignAssistance.gov

 

[Grand Vol]

In some ways Rand is a neocon, which is why he never had my full support. If you're arguing that he is on the same level as Rubio, IDK what to say other than goodbye.

Classic evasive debate technique. Put words into the conversation that were never said.

He had your support more than practically anyone else on here. You championed him more than any three posters combined.

Now we go back to the simple question of "what makes you say Rubio is a neocon?" Other than the fact web sites and others are parroting that phrase generally without having any idea what it really means.

 

[n_huffhines]

Ideological consistency? How is foreign aid not consistent with a true conservative ideology? Help those in need, promote business investment, education and security? Yep, I can't connect any of those to conservatism.

What you don't understand is that without us being involved someone else will be and I doubt China or Russia will have our best interests in mind.

That has nothing to do with conservatism, as far as I know. That sounds more like a pillar of socialism.

 

[hog88]

I'm sorry to hear that you're not fiscally conservative

I am, I also don't live in fantasy land.

 

[Vol8188]

Ideological consistency? How is foreign aid not consistent with a true conservative ideology? Help those in need, promote business investment, education and security? Yep, I can't connect any of those to conservatism.

What you don't understand is that without us being involved someone else will be and I doubt China or Russia will have our best interests in mind.

1. Literally by your definition of conservatism, universal health care is conservative.

2. That's absurd. You believe Russia and China would be aligned with Israel? You can't buy allies.

 

[hog88]

That has nothing to do with conservatism, as far as I know. That sounds more like a pillar of socialism.

You need to get a better dictionary.

 

[carlos86]

I'm sorry to hear that you're not fiscally conservative

It has nothing to do with being fiscally conservative. Foreign Aid is only 0.7% of the money spent by the government.

 

[Vol8188]

I am, I also don't live in fantasy land.

I'm done arguing with someone who by their own definition of conservatism, would consider universal health care to be conservative

 

[n_huffhines]

Classic evasive debate technique. Put words into the conversation that were never said.

He had your support more than practically anyone else on here. You championed him more than any three posters combined.

Now we go back to the simple question of "what makes you say Rubio is a neocon?" Other than the fact web sites and others are parroting that phrase generally without having any idea what it really means.

What does neocon mean? Let's start there so we can get on the same page.

 

[hog88]

1. Literally by your definition of conservatism, universal health care is conservative.

2. That's absurd. You believe Russia and China would be aligned with Israel? You can't buy allies.

1. Universal healthcare is not conservative, you should be smarter than to try that.

2. :thud: They would be helping their enemies without a doubt.

At least put some effort into it.

 

[Grand Vol]

What does neocon mean? Let's start there so we can get on the same page.

You're the one slinging the term around. By all means, define it.

I'll wait...

 

[hog88]

I'm done arguing with someone who by their own definition of conservatism, would consider universal health care to be conservative

No your done arguing because you have no argument.

 

[hog88]

You're the one slinging the term around. By all means, define it.

I'll wait...

Don't hold your breath.

 

[Vol8188]

It has nothing to do with being fiscally conservative. Foreign Aid is only 0.7% of the money spent by the government.

40 billion. You're right. 40 billion is nothing, and the conservative thing to do here would be to continue taking money out of the pockets of Americans in hopes that one day Pakistan will like us.

I give up

 

[carlos86]

What does neocon mean? Let's start there so we can get on the same page.

The term "neoconservative" refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist Left to the camp of American conservatism. They are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism

 

[n_huffhines]

It has nothing to do with being fiscally conservative. Foreign Aid is only 0.7% of the money spent by the government.

So because it's a small part of the budget, wasteful spending gets a pass?

Do you have a link on that statistic? I think we spend about $6T total and 0.7% is only $42 billion, which seems low.

 

[carlos86]

40 billion. You're right. 40 billion is nothing, and the conservative thing to do here would be to continue taking money out of the pockets of Americans in hopes that one day Pakistan will like us.

I give up

Pakistan only get $1.685 billion in aid.

 

[hog88]

So because it's a small part of the budget, wasteful spending gets a pass?

Do you have a link on that statistic? I think we spend about $6T total and 0.7% is only $42 billion, which seems low.

Not all foreign aid is wasteful. I fully agree that ALL foreign aid should have strict oversight and conditions.

 

[hog88]

Pakistan only get $1.685 billion in aid.

Now you've done it. 8188 and facts don't coexist.

 

[Vol8188]

No your done arguing because you have no argument.

You're trying to claim that handing out other people's money to help foreigners is conservative.

Idk how to argue with that level of ignorance. That's the least fiscally conservative thing you could do

 

[carlos86]

Not all foreign aid is wasteful. I fully agree that ALL foreign aid should have strict oversight and conditions.

Which was exactly what Rubio was advocating in his bill.

 

[Vol8188]

Pakistan only get $1.685 billion in aid.

We weren't only talking about Pakistan.

 

[carlos86]

So because it's a small part of the budget, wasteful spending gets a pass?

Do you have a link on that statistic? I think we spend about $6T total and 0.7% is only $42 billion, which seems low.

Guess How Much Of Uncle Sam's Money Goes To Foreign Aid. Guess Again! : Goats and Soda : NPR

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-budget-goes-to-foreign-aid-what-if-it-did/

 

[n_huffhines]

You're the one slinging the term around. By all means, define it.

I'll wait...

Typical. If I were you, I would pass the buck too.

From wikipedia:

Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and promotion of American national interest in international affairs,

Now please explain to me how that doesn't fit Rubio?

 

[Vol8188]

1. Universal healthcare is not conservative, you should be smarter than to try that.

2. :thud: They would be helping their enemies without a doubt.

At least put some effort into it.

You claimed foreign aid was conservative because "helping people" is a conservative principal. Your words, not mine.

Since universal health care would help those in poverty, it must be conservative.