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Palin randomly name-dropped Rand in her Trump endorsement speech and spoke highly of his views on defense spending and foreign policy.

I am so confused.
 
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Can I just take a timeout for a second and say I have appreciated the last few pages of actual, somewhat respectful political dialogue that has taken place in this thread. Rare. Not knocking anyone. It's just doesn't happen often.
 
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UTCVol said:
Palin randomly name-dropped Rand in her Trump endorsement speech and spoke highly of his views on defense spending and foreign policy.

I am so confused.
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That speech was a complete mess, and I couldn't even watch much of it.
 
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mrorange211 said:
Can I just take a timeout for a second and say I have appreciated the last few pages of actual, somewhat respectful political dialogue that has taken place in this thread. Rare. Not knocking anyone. It's just doesn't happen often.
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You're dumb and your candidate is dumb!

And you're just stupid!

(feel a little less uncomfortable now?)
 
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Grand Vol said:
You've got a serious mancrush on him lol

You honestly think he'd want to sort out the mess the budget is in?
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I really do, it's true.

No, I don't think so. He's too smart for the presidency and would struggle mightily with navigating the flaming rings to get anything accomplished. That said, you and I both know he'd do everything in his power to advance the space program and energy technology. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
 
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gcbvol said:
I really do, it's true.

No, I don't think so. He's too smart for the presidency and would struggle mightily with navigating the flaming rings to get anything accomplished. That said, you and I both know he'd do everything in his power to advance the space program and energy technology. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
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He's smart and focused, I'll give you that. And not afraid to venture into areas that are deemed risky from a business standpoint. I'd bet he was advised against the startup of SpaceX as the big boys (Boeing, Lockheed, et al) held the cornerstone in the market along those lines. But did it anyway and it's starting to pay off. (if only that damn rocket would stay upright, he'd be doing even better)

While Tesla is probably breaking even, SpaceX will be his golden goose over the long term.
 
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I like to hear your opinions on the candidates' proposed tax plans and if you think there is a realistic possibility of reform of the current system. Or is reform needed?
 
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https://youtu.be/4s_IUwwGq-A

I removed myself from the Republican Party a few days after his "concession" speech in Tampa, while Mitt Romney robotically touted their prefered company lines.

It amazes me that the Republican Party, and those within the country that constantly support them, have decided to combat Obama(x2) and Clinton with War mongering John McCain, Flip Flop Robot Mitt Romney, and Liberal Sociopath Donald Trump. These five (six if you want to include Bernie Sanders) are the best this country has to offer for the last decade. Think about that.

Meanwhile someone like Ron Paul is laughed at by the "Conservative party" time and time again and has to explain to a booing audience why we can't bomb "the **** out of people" and then not understand resentment and hateful retaliation. Also, he CLEARLY didn't live in New York or New Jersey during 9/11, so he's unfit to talk about foreign policy or "blowback".

Until Republicans return to a party I can support, they won't receive my vote.
 
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*The perpetual war has to stop. The justification of national debt has to stop. The expansion of unnecessary Federal agencies has to stop. The continuing destruction of our currency and manipulation of our interest rates, from the same private source, has to stop. The entertainment trend of our debates and general nonchalant demeanor of the election process for the Presidency has to stop. The unlimited terms of representatives and senators has to stop.

Etc, etc, etc.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Look, you can tout Rand all day long, but it comes down to the simple fact that he is unelectable. He cannot reach the poll numbers or the masses enough to make a meaningful impact talking the way he does. Take national security for example. While balancing the budget is in our vital national interests (ergo security), people don't want to hear about that when ISIS and others represent a threat to this nation. People don't want to hear about military budgets being cut, or troop levels being smaller or anything along those lines like Rand keeps saying. They want to know we have a powerful military ready and willing to protect them and not in our backyard either. They want to know our military can and will go into the terrorists front porch and kick them right smack in the balls followed by an uppercut to the jaw. Which is what the other candidates have promised, but Rand keeps avoiding the question.

And Rand can't make the promise of a strong military when he keeps talking about the budget. If he really wanted to sway the party and the moderate voters, he would be discussing how to stop the insanity that Obama has been doing with the military. Now whether or not the next President scales back our overseas involvement is moot. The fact that our aircraft are aging at a rapid rate, our equipment is in disarray and our fleets are diminishing is real and smacking us in the face. And Rand refuses to address that problem.

Fiscally, Rand Paul is probably the best choice of all the candidates out there. But he seriously comes up lacking in foreign policy and defense. And the GOP can and will not nominate him on those two issues alone. You can say this isn't about Rand, but I'm merely cutting to the chase for you in this conversation.

Now do I support the monitoring of Americans? Absolutely not. Because it's a slippery slope that leads to a place we really don't want to go.
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Why do you bother countering his moronic posts? It has to be a complete waste of your time.
 
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Gramps said:
My thoughts exactly.

Trump doing okay in Florida for a guy that has a ceiling of 20-25%.
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Yep. I've wanted a non-politician, business executive to make a serious run for POTUS for a long time, and I honestly think it's needed given how spending and size of government seems to be out of control. Who would have thought out of Trump, Romney and Perot that Trump would be the one with perhaps the best chance to succeed. I guess timing really is everything.
 
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