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Carl Pickens said:
What's really pitiful is one of these hacks will end up in the WH due to the level of rampant ignorance and stupidity within the general public.
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I honestly have to say if the GOP loses this election, the whole party needs to be torn down and start over.

I have no love for Trump, but I will say I'm glad someone from the outside is shaking things up. And if he's the nominee and that's what the voters have decided in the end, so be it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly have to say if the GOP loses this election, the whole party needs to be torn down and start over.

I have no love for Trump, but I will say I'm glad someone from the outside is shaking things up. And if he's the nominee and that's what the voters have decided in the end, so be it.
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Watching this awful debate just made me hate Trump more. The fastest growing demographic in America and he has pretty much obliterated any attempt by the GOP to absorb it. Maybe it can be reversed, but I'm not so sure as long as the Dems keep pandering this hard.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly have to say if the GOP loses this election, the whole party needs to be torn down and start over.

I have no love for Trump, but I will say I'm glad someone from the outside is shaking things up. And if he's the nominee and that's what the voters have decided in the end, so be it.
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I hope Sanders and Trump are both screwed by their respective parties and both parties burn to the ground.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly have to say if the GOP loses this election, the whole party needs to be torn down and start over.

I have no love for Trump, but I will say I'm glad someone from the outside is shaking things up. And if he's the nominee and that's what the voters have decided in the end, so be it.
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The party is complete crap; they both are. Trump undoubtedly has some scary to him, but the political landscape in this country badly needs a reset. He could do that, knowingly or not.
 
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UTCVol said:
Watching this awful debate just made me hate Trump more. The fastest growing demographic in America and he has pretty much obliterated any attempt by the GOP to absorb it. Maybe it can be reversed, but I'm not so sure as long as the Dems keep pandering this hard.
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The pandering was sickening. Both should have just said that they will not enforce our immigration laws.
 
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apevol said:
I hope Sanders and Trump are both screwed by their respective parties and both parties burn to the ground.
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I keep saying it. The GOP won't collectively slit their throats by trying to back door Trump at the convention. I just can't see it as they will lose millions of voters and hand the election to the DNC candidate.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I keep saying it. The GOP won't collectively slit their throats by trying to back door Trump at the convention. I just can't see it as they will lose millions of voters and hand the election to the DNC candidate.
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They can't control him, Grand. He's using the GOP and it's killing them. That's the reason they very well may try to subvert the will of the electorate. Desperation.
 
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Gramps said:
Bernie is to the left what the Canadian is to the right. Both are far wing extremist. The difference in the two, people actually like Bernie.
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Your too blinded by your hatred of Cruz to make a fair assessment in that regard. Cruz is not a right wing extremist.

I 100% agree with you that he is not likable. While I disagree vehemently with Bern, I love watching him talk. He's so passionate and genuine.

In contrast, Cruz is abrasive and does not come across as genuine. He doesn't connect well with his audience.
 
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gcbvol said:
They can't control him, Grand. He's using the GOP and it's kiling them. That's the reason they very well may try to subvert the will of the electorate. Desperation.
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I just don't see it. I'm never going to say my thoughts on the matter are right since this election season has been sheer insanity.

Control is an illusion though. There has to be a symbiotic relationship between Trump and the GOP. Both need each other to get elected and both I think recognize that. Trump extended a small olive branch last night in regards to the party. Then turned around and beat Lindsey Graham with it. That was grandstanding on his part and just Trump being Trump.

We can have this conversation again in a month (maybe in a week?) and see how things are progressing on that level. One thing I am almost positive about though is they don't want Cruz. The think they can't control Trump. They know they can't control Cruz as his record as being dirty as well as a blockade has never been in doubt.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I just don't see it. I'm never going to say my thoughts on the matter are right since this election season has been sheer insanity.

Control is an illusion though. There has to be a symbiotic relationship between Trump and the GOP. Both need each other to get elected and both I think recognize that. Trump extended a small olive branch last night in regards to the party. Then turned around and beat Lindsey Graham with it. That was grandstanding on his part and just Trump being Trump.

We can have this conversation again in a month (maybe in a week?) and see how things are progressing on that level. One thing I am almost positive about though is they don't want Cruz. The think they can't control Trump. They know they can't control Cruz as his record as being dirty as well as a blockade has never been in doubt.
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Absolutely. To be continued...

I know one thing for certain - those with power will do anything and everything to keep it. Trump and Sanders pose a threat to the power wielded by the current duopoly.
 
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Probably doesn't mean much to folks on here, but Mark Levin officially announced his endorsement of Cruz on his new LevinTV show.
 
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There have been many times Hillary has mocked Bernie for not siding with the rest of the Democratic Party in the past, and for critiquing some of her husbands and Obamas decisions. Hillary who gives a **** if he didn't vote with you and other democrats. What I like most about Bernie is that he doesn't care about the democratic establishment. It's not about making democrats happy. It's about doing what he thinks is right. Now what he think is right is up for debate. Nontheless, his stance on corporations buying off elections resonates for everyone.
 
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Persian Vol said:
There have been many times Hillary has mocked Bernie for not siding with the rest of the Democratic Party in the past, and for critiquing some of her husbands and Obamas decisions. Hillary who gives a **** if he didn't vote with you and other democrats. What I like most about Bernie is that he doesn't care about the democratic establishment. It's not about making democrats happy. It's about doing what he thinks is right. Now what he think is right is up for debate. Nontheless, his stance on corporations buying off elections resonates for everyone.
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I wish there were moderates more like him in some regards. He's doing a lot of things McCain should have been doing when he took his own shot a few years ago. Instead, McCain backed away from the things that had made him tolerable prior to his candidacy.
 
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apevol said:
I wish there were moderates more like him in some regards. He's doing a lot of things McCain should have been doing when he took his own shot a few years ago. Instead, McCain backed away from the things that had made him tolerable prior to his candidacy.
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Interestingly, a study from a few days ago said that Sanders is the least bipartisan senator - even below pariah Ted Cruz.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-partisan-senator-of-2015-is-bernie-sanders/

That's part of the reason why a Sanders presidency would be an exercise in futility - not even rank-and-file Democrats will go along with most of his ideas. The fact that independents are going for him so heavily even though he's a far left ideologue (in American terms, of course) is a testament to how well his campaign is being run - and Hillary being such an ice queen doesn't hurt either.
 
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UTCVol said:
Interestingly, a study from a few days ago said that Sanders is the least bipartisan senator - even below pariah Ted Cruz.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-partisan-senator-of-2015-is-bernie-sanders/

That's part of the reason why a Sanders presidency would be an exercise in futility - not even rank-and-file Democrats will go along with most of his ideas. The fact that independents are going for him so heavily even though he's a far left ideologue (in American terms, of course) is a testament to how well his campaign is being run - and Hillary being such an ice queen doesn't hurt either.
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Why I said moderate.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think you've been taken over by the Trumptrolls and will soon start mouthing phrases like "wall" and "China will pay" and "dirty raping Mexicans."

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I know a lot of libs and independents that are voting for Trump.

I know a independent that happens to be a lesbian that said she didn't care who the GOP put up she was voting for them. Stated that Obama pissed her off. (Obamacare) (illegals)
 
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