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MercyPercy said:
From my understanding, 90 percent of all abortions are done within the first trimester. The vast majority of the rest take part early in the second trimester. Less than a percent would be considered late term. I can get behind late term bans barring danger to the mother or some extreme circumstance- the cases are already rare enough as it is. Second trimester entirely? I'm not sure.

Just thought I'd share the numbers. I think a lot of people often fall for the scare campaigns and pictures of dead fetuses from late term abortions and think that's happening all the time everywhere when it's actually not common at all.
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Thanks for the numbers Percy. I thought they were somewhere in that range but wasn't able to look them up. Personally I would be in favor of a tighter limit, but that's why I thought this might be a reasonable position for both parties.
 
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carlos86 said:
Trump was asked about the acquisition of armored vehicles for the Army and Marine Corps and said this.

"As long as US troop vehicles are armored, when they get hit by IEDs troops just go for a little ride."
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Got a link to the full story?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
hog88 - it is an argument that I, internally, struggle with. I don't want to interfere too much with the peoples' right to own guns, but there are limits. I don't know the answer to the gun issue, but I think both sides have blinders on to some degree.

I have owned guns. I have a carry permit. I do not own guns today, not because I am against them, but because I made a decision that I felt was right for my situation. I have a 13 year old daughter who is home alone a good bit and has 13 year old friends over and they do 13 year old crap. I live in a good neighborhood where crime is almost non-existent. I found I worried more about my daughter or her friends getting into my gun cabinet than I worried about protecting my family. My situation. Everyone's is different. I will probably own guns again in the fairly near future. I miss going to the range on a regular basis, though I do get to go hunting from time to time and depend on the kindness of friends to loan me a rifle.
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There is a new contraption that may not have made it to Florida yet. It's called a gun safe and can probably keep a bunch of 13 yos from getting themselves into trouble.
 
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carlos86 said:
Trump was asked about the acquisition of armored vehicles for the Army and Marine Corps and said this.

"As long as US troop vehicles are armored, when they get hit by IEDs troops just go for a little ride."
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This is the guy who didn't know what the nuclear triad was and whose spokesman later claimed that our problem was that we hadn't utilized it enough.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If I could offer a spot of advice along these lines...

Right now is the best time to be teaching said 13 year old daughter about firearms safety and taking her to the range as well. I'm not telling you how to parent as it's obvious you've done a pretty bang up job from what you've said. But it's best to teach her now instead of her being curious later.
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I agree with you and I have taught my daughter about guns. She's been to the range. Hunting is not her thing, though.

I have just discovered through the years that if you put a group of kids in a room together, each one of them possessing an above average IQ, the IQ of the group is collectively reduced by a factor of 10. With some long hours due to my occupation, I just didn't want to risk anything stupid.
 
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KentheOrange said:
There is a new contraption that may not have made it to Florida yet. It's called a gun safe and can probably keep a bunch of 13 yos from getting themselves into trouble.
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I have a locking gun cabinet and thought of buying a gun safe, but I just decided to get rid of the guns for a few years.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
They are not the same Gramps. Your statement "force a woman to have a child" puts the emphasis on the woman who allowed (in most cases) herself to get pregnant. My statement puts the emphasis on the unborn child who clearly did not have a choice in the situation. jmo... but abortion is not (or should not be) a choice to be made, but rather is a "get out of jail free card" for a decision previously made.



I can give you numerous examples of people that "can not survive outside the womb" by themselves, but they still have a right to life. I realize this is a difficult discussion for some, and will readily admit that I don't have the answers. In my opinion limiting abortion to the first trimester might be reasonable as middle ground. As far as your other positions, I do not want to hijack this thread so let me just say this. The fact that our government allows for abortion and yet will also charge someone for murder if they are responsible for a pregnant woman losing her "fetus" should tell you something is wrong. One day we'll look back on abortions as one of the worst moral decisions in history.
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Morally I wouldn't have (were I able to get pregnant) or encourage anyone else to abort a healthy baby absent extenuating circumstances, but I understand those that do and do not condemn them for the decision the made. I have known several women that struggled with that decision for years. For the most part, I do not believe that it is a decision that is taken lightly. The women who use abortion as a means of birth control are not common. Women with 3+ abortions represent less than 10% of all women seeking abortions. Facts About Abortion: U.S. Abortion Statistics


I disagree with worst moral decision line. There are many states that have murder statutes that are consistent with their abortion statutes. The ones that do not are typically trying to restrict access to abortion.

Where should the line be drawn on abortion? I would have no problem with drawing the line at the first trimester except in cases where the life of the mother is significantly endangered, the fetus is not viable or in cases of incest/rape where the pregnant mother is a minor or was imprisoned.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I agree with you and I have taught my daughter about guns. She's been to the range. Hunting is not her thing, though.

I have just discovered through the years that if you put a group of kids in a room together, each one of them possessing an above average IQ, the IQ of the group is collectively reduced by a factor of 10. With some long hours due to my occupation, I just didn't want to risk anything stupid.
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IQ goes down ? Hyperbole much ?
 
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UTCVol said:
This is the guy who didn't know what the nuclear triad was and whose spokesman later claimed that our problem was that we hadn't utilized it enough.
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The direct quote from Donald Trump about the armored vehicles getting hit by IEDs earlier in Cedar Rapids is:

“I talk about it all the time: 2,300 brand new up-armored Humvees, I talk about it all the time…the best in the world,” Trump said. “Armor plated, top, bottom, all over, if a bomb goes off our wounded warriors–instead of losing their legs, their arms, worse, They go for a little ride upward and they come down.”
 
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Gramps said:
That right there is a makor problem with the Republican party, imo. They want to use morality to end abortion. They want to ignore morality when it comes to the welfare if the same child.
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Agreed. It is quite the disconnect. To be honest, the pro-life movement would make more headway if they bridged that disconnect.

The problem is fiscal conservatism and sustainability. Paying for unwanted children is damn expensive and creates a unintentional/perverse incentive to keep having children in bad situations.
 
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carlos86 said:
Can some explain to me what white genocide is????
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The watering down of white bloodlines and white culture. The championing of minority culture and shaming of white culture. The championing of multiculturalism in white nations verse the championing of homogeneous culture in non-white nations/states.
 
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Early entrance polls across the board have Trump with a slight lead and Cruz/Rubio very close for 2nd. Could be an interesting night...
 
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MercyPercy said:
From my understanding, 90 percent of all abortions are done within the first trimester. The vast majority of the rest take part early in the second trimester. Less than a percent would be considered late term. I can get behind late term bans barring danger to the mother or some extreme circumstance- the cases are already rare enough as it is. Second trimester entirely? I'm not sure.

Just thought I'd share the numbers. I think a lot of people often fall for the scare campaigns and pictures of dead fetuses from late term abortions and think that's happening all the time everywhere when it's actually not common at all.
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Even more occur naturally.
 
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