2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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hog88 said:
Please share these appreciable qualities you see in Hillary.
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Though you might disagree with her, you must admit she is very smart. Her main quality I would say is experience. She would know immediately upon taking office what the lay of the land is, particularly in foreign affairs. She has demonstrated repeatedly that she will not hesitate to use force when she thinks it necessary, but given her experience I think most foreign leaders would view her as stable, rational, and thoughtful when it comes to use of force options.

One of the main concerns about Trump is that he's too impulsive. He thinks that foreign affairs can be managed with a mindset more appropriate to business dealings. The concern is not so much that he'd nuke someone just 'cause he's having a bad day. But he might take an action that causes a lot of other actions and he would not appreciate that possibility at the time, simply because of his lack of experience.

We can flip it in other areas. Trump I think would be faster to act on eliminating regulation where the cost is really outweighing the benefit. He has no tolerance for bureaucracy, whereas she expects it, again due to experience. So I give him a leg up there.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Though you might disagree with her, you must admit she is very smart. Her main quality I would say is experience. She would know immediately upon taking office what the lay of the land is, particularly in foreign affairs. She has demonstrated repeatedly that she will not hesitate to use force when she thinks it necessary, but given her experience I think most foreign leaders would view her as stable, rational, and thoughtful when it comes to use of force options.

One of the main concerns about Trump is that he's too impulsive. He thinks that foreign affairs can be managed with a mindset more appropriate to business dealings. The concern is not so much that he'd nuke someone just 'cause he's having a bad day. But he might take an action that causes a lot of other actions and he would not appreciate that possibility at the time, simply because of his lack of experience.

We can flip it in other areas. Trump I think would be faster to act on eliminating regulation where the cost is really outweighing the benefit. He has no tolerance for bureaucracy, whereas she expects it, again due to experience. So I give him a leg up there.
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Three paragraphs (most about Trump) and you list a) smart b) experienced c) will use force d) stable e) rational and f) thoughtful.

I'll agree with;
a) she is smart no doubt about that
b) she is an experienced politician. But I'll ask you this, what has she accomplished? Name a few of her successes outside of simply being elected Senator.

I don't see "c" as a positive.

I completely disagree with d, e and f assessments. Do you have examples that of these traits that might change my mind?
 
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carlos86 said:
Protecting the House is the goal now. The White House and Senate are lost with Trump at the top of the ticket. It doesn't help that 52 of the seats Republicans hold are in districts Obama won in 2012 which will make holding them more different.
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I've never met someone who professes so much and in reality knows nothing. You've been calling for Trumps demise since he declared his candidacy, do us all a favor and get some help. He's beaten all the establishment candidates and yet you still cry foul..
 
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FLVOL69 said:
I've never met someone who professes so much and in reality knows nothing. You've been calling for Trumps demise since he declared his candidacy, do us all a favor and get some help. He's beaten all the establishment candidates and yet you still cry foul..
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I call foul because Trump is a terrible General election candidate. Utah hasn't gone for a Democrat since 1964 yet that may very well happen this year. It's incredibly hard to win a general election when 57% of the country find Trump extremely unfavorable along with 75% of women and 81% of Hispanics. Women and Hispanics make up together over 60% of the electorate. So explain How in the hell does Trump get to 270 when he 60% of the electorate dislike him. Furthermore an General Election can't be won when 20% of your party states they would rather vote for Hillary then Trump and another 20% would stay home or vote 3rd party. And Trump cant drive down to number of Hispanics that will vote against him he has only inspired the people who he used to rise to political power to gain citizenship and vote against him.

As the Rasmussen poll result say Trump's chance at the beating

Trump is more toxic within his own party than Clinton is in hers. If Trump is the Republican nominee, 16% of GOP voters say they would choose a third-party candidate, while five percent (5%) would stay home. Sixty-six percent (66%) would vote for Trump, but 10% would vote for Clinton instead.

If Clinton is the Democratic nominee, 11% of Democrats would vote third-party, while three percent (3%) would stay home. Seventy-five percent (75%) would support the nominee, but 11% say they would vote for Trump.
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So until someone give a intellectual, fact based, statistical, and demographic breakdown of how Trump win this election I will speak out against. And even if that even happens I will speak out against Trump. A man who lacks common sense, intellectual knowledge of every of every major subject that affects this country. He is nothing more than Napoleon without the intelligence. LOL you tell me to get help but yet you are the one who is will to follow a total moron who lacks the basic concepts of civics. Has a very loose grasp of the law, the constitution, the branches of government and the limits on their power.
 
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Carlos, maybe you can go to work for President Trump, and brush him up on civics, the law, the Constitution, the branches of government, and the limits on their power. Sounds like he may need your help.
 
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carlos86 said:
I call foul because Trump is a terrible General election candidate. Utah hasn't gone for a Democrat since 1964 yet that may very well happen this year. It's incredibly hard to win a general election when 57% of the country find Trump extremely unfavorable along with 75% of women and 81% of Hispanics. Women and Hispanics make up together over 60% of the electorate. So explain How in the hell does Trump get to 270 when he 60% of the electorate dislike him. Furthermore an General Election can't be won when 20% of your party states they would rather vote for Hillary then Trump and another 20% would stay home or vote 3rd party. And Trump cant drive down to number of Hispanics that will vote against him he has only inspired the people who he used to rise to political power to gain citizenship and vote against him.

As the Rasmussen poll result say Trump's chance at the beating




So until someone give a intellectual, fact based, statistical, and demographic breakdown of how Trump win this election I will speak out against. And even if that even happens I will speak out against Trump. A man who lacks common sense, intellectual knowledge of every of every major subject that affects this country. He is nothing more than Napoleon without the intelligence. LOL you tell me to get help but yet you are the one who is will to follow a total moron who lacks the basic concepts of civics. Has a very loose grasp of the law, the constitution, the branches of government and the limits on their power.
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It's over homie
 

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carlos86 said:
I call foul because Trump is a terrible General election candidate. Utah hasn't gone for a Democrat since 1964 yet that may very well happen this year. It's incredibly hard to win a general election when 57% of the country find Trump extremely unfavorable along with 75% of women and 81% of Hispanics. Women and Hispanics make up together over 60% of the electorate. So explain How in the hell does Trump get to 270 when he 60% of the electorate dislike him. Furthermore an General Election can't be won when 20% of your party states they would rather vote for Hillary then Trump and another 20% would stay home or vote 3rd party. And Trump cant drive down to number of Hispanics that will vote against him he has only inspired the people who he used to rise to political power to gain citizenship and vote against him.

As the Rasmussen poll result say Trump's chance at the beating




So until someone give a intellectual, fact based, statistical, and demographic breakdown of how Trump win this election I will speak out against. And even if that even happens I will speak out against Trump. A man who lacks common sense, intellectual knowledge of every of every major subject that affects this country. He is nothing more than Napoleon without the intelligence. LOL you tell me to get help but yet you are the one who is will to follow a total moron who lacks the basic concepts of civics. Has a very loose grasp of the law, the constitution, the branches of government and the limits on their power.
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Your certifiable bruh, he's kicked everyone's ass and you still call him a moron. The gap has already narrowed between Trump and crooked Hiliary and he hasn't even started on her yet.😂
 
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1972 Grad said:
Carlos, maybe you can go to work for President Trump, and brush him up on civics, the law, the Constitution, the branches of government, and the limits on their power. Sounds like he may need your help.
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Surely there's room for a military genius like Carlos on Trumps cabinet. maybe an ambassador position to Russia since he knows Putin so well..
 
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Cruz about right now...

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Burhead said:
Cruz just needs to pack it in and accept the fact he fought a good fight and lost. No more use in dragging this thing out and wasting time and resources.
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I saw an interview the other day where he backed off his agreement to support the eventual nominee. Well, maybe didn't back off, but certainly wouldn't come right out and say "I'll support Trump if he's the nominee."

Cruz is still holding on to false hope he gets to that second or third round of voting at the GOP Convention and gets the nomination. Not realizing, or more likely ignoring, he's just as despised as Trump.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I saw an interview the other day where he backed off his agreement to support the eventual nominee. Well, maybe didn't back off, but certainly wouldn't come right out and say "I'll support Trump if he's the nominee."

Cruz is still holding on to false hope he gets to that second or third round of voting at the GOP Convention and gets the nomination. Not realizing, or more likely ignoring, he's just as despised as Trump.
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There's not going to a vote at the convention, it's over for Ted.
 

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FLVOL69 said:
That's a damn shame considering the alternative.
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I sure as hell ain't voting for Hillary.

You have to remember which State I'm in. There is zero chance it goes blue. You could put Jesus Christ with a (D) next to his name out here and he couldn't win Oklahoma.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I saw an interview the other day where he backed off his agreement to support the eventual nominee. Well, maybe didn't back off, but certainly wouldn't come right out and say "I'll support Trump if he's the nominee."

Cruz is still holding on to false hope he gets to that second or third round of voting at the GOP Convention and gets the nomination. Not realizing, or more likely ignoring, he's just as despised as Trump.
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If I were a Trump adviser I would tell him to start holding general election rallies in LA, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Philly, and other liberal cities. It will draw out the protesters left and right in order to paint a clear alternative to the Democrats. It will show that this is an us vs them election and would have to make them make a choice. It seems every time there is a major protest at a Trump event his polls numbers goes up.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I sure as hell ain't voting for Hillary.

You have to remember which State I'm in. There is zero chance it goes blue. You could put Jesus Christ with a (D) next to his name out here and he couldn't win Oklahoma.
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Vote third party. Hell.... Given the choices they have about as good a shot at being as terrible as the two chosen ones.
 
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