2016 Election Thread Part Deux

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carlos86 said:
Your answer lies inside Trump Tower.

"In Metro, we get a lot of junk mail and are regularly flooded with correspondence from prisoners in New York’s penitentiaries.But Friday, Sept. 23, was different.
I walked to my mailbox and spotted a manila envelope, postmarked New York, NY, with a return address of The Trump Organization. My heart skipped a beat."


The Time I Found Donald Trump’s Tax Records in My Mailbox - NYTimes.com
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Ah yes, someone commits a felony and leaves a return address to help steer the investigation. Is this like how the Russians used Russian websites during their hacking? For being so capable at espionage these folks sure are dumb.
 
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volprof said:
Well, well. So the anti-establishment, anti-corruption, pro-change candidate turns out to be the biggest elitist of them all. Lost 1 billion in 1995 alone and most likely hasn't paid any tax since then. And the Trump charity organization wasn't even legally certified to take money, making it basically a money scam.

What else is the least transparent, most corrupt candidate in American presidential history hiding? He clearly doesn't want us to know.
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So. It is the establishment politicians that make the tax law that you, I, Buffet, and Trump follow. Put the blame where it belongs, but don't count on them eliminating all the loopholes and writing a flat tax - that would take their power away - have to have something to give to be offered bribes. Now if you could prove that Trump lobbied for tax breaks ...
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's a bit unfair. Trump actively and openly invites the attention of controversy. First, it's his personality. He loves to be the braggart and the bully. Second, his campaign is built on being the antagonistic outsider. It's his schtick.
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You haven't listened to Hiliary shrieking? That's all just good hearted, fact filled levity?
 
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AM64 said:
So. It is the establishment politicians that make the tax law that you, I, Buffet, and Trump follow. Put the blame where it belongs, but don't count on them eliminating all the loopholes and writing a flat tax - that would take their power away - have to have something to give to be offered bribes. Now if you could prove that Trump lobbied for tax breaks ...
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Defend a criminal all you want, but nothing changes the fact that he is the biggest con artist to ever run for president. He ought to be in prison with his good pal, Hill, for scamming people with his fake charity.

He duped you and every other Trumper. That was clear from the start. Now you've realized the ruse for what it was, and you're mad.
 
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volprof said:
I wonder if Putin now thinks Trump is hopeless and is trying to avoid pissing off Hill even more than he already has.

If Hillary wins, which I'm not convinced she will, American-Russian relations will be the worse they've been since perhaps the early to mid-80s. And that will largely be the fault of Putin, a tactical master but a poor strategist, overplaying his hand.
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It looks like Julian Assange will appear via video link at a Berlin press conference on Tuesday morning.
 
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carlos86 said:
It looks like Julian Assange will appear via video link at a Berlin press conference on Tuesday morning.
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What do you think the SVR agent will reveal?

And how many times do you think Trump will publicly cheer on a Russian intelligence operation and the release of American state secrets, while his patriotic supporters cheer him on?
 
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My wife and I were just discussing how perhaps the most incredible thing about this election is how the two parties have basically assumed the other's former identity. I've heard some national critics point this out too.

Democrats have now become the rah-rah patriotic, anti-Russian, and "morality matters" party.

Republicans have now become the pro-Putin, Wikileaks-loving, morally relativistic party of cynics.

The two basically just swapped roles.

What the heck happened?
 
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volprof said:
What do you think the SVR agent will reveal?

And how many times do you think Trump will publicly cheer on a Russian intelligence operation and the release of American state secrets, while his patriotic supporters cheer him on?
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If it's nything short of Hillary committed treason it will be a total waste of time.
 
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volprof said:
My wife and I were just discussing how perhaps the most incredible thing about this election is how the two parties have basically assumed the other's former identity. I've heard some national critics point this out too.

Democrats have now become the rah-rah patriotic, anti-Russian, and "morality matters" party.

Republicans have now become the pro-Putin, Wikileaks-loving, morally relativistic party of cynics.

The two basically just swapped roles.

What the heck happened?
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Don't forget Republicans now believe in giving out free stuff now.

Free child care.
Free government healthcare
Maternity leave paid for by the government.
 
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carlos86 said:
Don't forget Republicans now believe in giving out free stuff now.

Free child care.
Free government healthcare
Maternity leave paid for by the government.
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And now apparently also think someone shirking their patriotic tax duty like a welfare queen is "smart."

Strange times we are living in now.
 
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carlos86 said:
If it's nything short of Hillary committed treason it will be a total waste of time.
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I think they'll release some of her emails that compromised national security. I would not be surprised if there are some fake ones in there about Benghazi. Apparently, the Russians have also been adding some fake documents to the data dumps, since no one can decipher what is real from what is not in these leaks. It's just assumed that everything is legitimate.
 
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volprof said:
I think they'll release some of her emails that compromised national security. I would not be surprised if there are some fake ones in there about Benghazi. Apparently, the Russians have also been adding some fake documents to the data dumps, since no one can decipher what is real from what is not in these leaks. It's just assumed that everything is legitimate.
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Not going to lie, I wonder why that hasn't been brought up more. How do we prove they actually existed and weren't fabricated?

However, we don't need the deleted emails to know that she should be criminally charged over this scandal because of other facts that are out there.
 
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Hayezb said:
Not going to lie, I wonder why that hasn't been brought up more. How do we prove they actually existed and weren't fabricated?

However, we don't need the deleted emails to know that she should be criminally charged over this scandal because of other facts that are out there.
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Yes, she should have been criminally charged. She should then be in prison after a trial. Had it not been for Obama as well as her own influence with the current FBI, then I'm positive she would have been.

As for the matter of real v. fake documents, we just don't know. It is accepted in the intelligence community that data dumps like this may sometimes include fakes. It's a great way for a hostile actor, like, say a foreign state advisory, to create as much chaos in the system as possible.
 
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volprof said:
What do you think the SVR agent will reveal?

And how many times do you think Trump will publicly cheer on a Russian intelligence operation and the release of American state secrets, while his patriotic supporters cheer him on?
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I asked you before, exactly what state secrets do they have?

And if indeed it is Hillary's emails, wouldn't that give the big lie to the case the FBI ran?
 
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Tapper "NYTimes said Trump didn't pay taxes"

Rudy "Did he break the law?"

Tapper "No"

Rudy "So your problem is with the law"

#CNNSOTU
 
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I see that WikiLeaks canceled their Tuesday release...is their a chance they are bargaining for a pardon for Assange?
 
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volprof said:
Defend a criminal all you want, but nothing changes the fact that he is the biggest con artist to ever run for president. He ought to be in prison with his good pal, Hill, for scamming people with his fake charity.

He duped you and every other Trumper. That was clear from the start. Now you've realized the ruse for what it was, and you're mad.
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Wrong, as usual. I just don't think he's more crooked than anyone else in the business. He applied the tax laws to his benefit; we use the same tax laws, but we don't get the same benefit - that's on the people writing tax law. If the charity is illegal, why has it not been shut down? Seems like there are people in place to enforce the law.

For the record, I don't like Trump - never have and probably never will. I think he is just as slimy as you infer, but the difference is that he uses the law to his benefit while the people opposing him have been writing and supposedly enforcing those laws - to me that makes them worse. The lawmakers have accepted bribes (campaign finance and lobbying) to write bad law. And if you disagree with that, then why not explain how so many in congress have amassed millions on salaries of under $200,000 per year. There are a lot more of us that lawmakers are supposedly representing than there are Trumps. At this point, I'd pretty much vote for anyone who is not a politician - simple as that.
 
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As I suspected, the ole' "yeah, he's a slimeball, but he's my slimeball, and, besides, it's everyone else's fault" defense.

Donald can evidently do no wrong.
 
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