2016-2017 Vols

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bleedingTNorange said:
So did he play well towards the end of the season under Barnes or not, your posts seem contradictory.
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Playing well in the sec tourney doesn't constitute playing toward to the end of the Season to me. He played well for a few days when the week before he was benched and this Board had said its fair wells


He played well and shot well from 3 for an extended period of time under CDT.
Perhaps that is where you are confused
 
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#231
#231
BruinVol said:
Playing well in the sec tourney doesn't constitute playing toward to the end of the Season to me. He played well for a few days when the week before he was benched and this Board had said its fair wells


He played well and shot well from 3 for an extended period of time under CDT.
Perhaps that is where you are confused
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BruinVol said:
He shot 33% from 3 tyndalls sesson when he had freedom. Even shot better than that the last 1/3 of the season Iirc
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By "last season" I assumed you meant LAST season, not 2 seasons ago under Tyndall, no?
 
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#232
bleedingTNorange said:
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By "last season" I assumed you meant LAST season, not 2 seasons ago under Tyndall, no?
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No sir.

Hubbs shot 33% from 3 under Tyndall. And even higher than that 33% the last 3rd of the season Iirc

Regardless he shot 33% for an entire season so he had shown he can shoot the 3
 
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#233
calban said:
Competition from Bone could make both even better.
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Agree. We'll likely see them on the floor together some too. Shooters like Stella and Phillips should benefit from that quite a bit. Hopefully guys like Schofield have improved their outside shot, cause having 2 pgs being able to penetrate should create more open looks for everybody.

I'm looking forward to having 2 quality pgs on the roster. Been a while
 
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BruinVol said:
No sir.

Hubbs shot 33% from 3 under Tyndall. And even higher than that 33% the last 3rd of the season Iirc

Regardless he shot 33% for an entire season so he had shown he can shoot the 3
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And showed over the last 10 games under Barnes he could possibly even exceed that 33% mark?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And showed over the last 10 games under Barnes he could possibly even exceed that 33% mark?
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What he did from 3 the past 10 games means nothing.

He was benched for 2 of those and DNP. In the 8 games he played in he only had 10 attempts making 4.

Those aren't enough attempts to even consider.

In the year before he attempted 92 3pt shots. Right at 3 per game. That shows what kind of 3pt threat he can be
 
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BruinVol said:
What he did from 3 the past 10 games means nothing.

He was benched for 2 of those and DNP. In the 8 games he played in he only had 10 attempts making 4.

Those aren't enough attempts to even consider.

In the year before he attempted 92 3pt shots. Right at 3 per game. That shows what kind of 3pt threat he can be
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I thought above you were trying to say he shot even better from 3 over the last 10 games than he did the whole season before, no? But now you're saying those 10 games mean nothing, but when in response to Calban you explicitly point to his % over those 10 games, which is it?

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He shot 33% from 3 tyndalls sesson when he had freedom. Even shot better than that the last 1/3 of the season Iirc
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#237
bleedingTNorange said:
I thought above you were trying to say he shot even better from 3 over the last 10 games than he did the whole season before, no?
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Bto dear gracious


Hubbs only success worth speaking of from 3 was under CDT

In that year he shot 33% overall and Iirc he shot even better than that the last 1/3 of the year when he really played well for an extended period of time
 
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#238
In SEC tourney Hubbs averaged 12pts 5 rebounds and shot 50% from 3pt line (3 of 6)
For season 10.6 pts 3.9 boards 23.9 % from 3 38 assists 22 turnovers shot 45.2 % from the field and 74% from ft line.

If he could maintain assist to turnover ratio and score 15 pts and 6 or 7 boards then he would have a good senior season
 
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#239
@TGO:

Looks like a I have someone else on my side supporting me about Hubbs. Hubbs needs to be a 3pt threat in 2016. He played the last 2 seasons under 2 different coaches. It's 3 different coaches when you include CCM.

What BruinVol is trying to say just like I said is Hubbs can't be expected to be posting up 10-15 feet out all the time & get his points that way. He was recruited as a SG & that's where he needs to be. That or the SF position. Not the PF position.

Can he post up at times depending on the matchups? Sure, but it can't be on a regular basis. Hubbs has got to take his game to the perimeter for the most part. That puts him playing the 2 or 3. I don't see how you can't see this is the best for Hubbs?
 
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#241
Hubbs was having a really good start to the 2015-16 season up until the knee surgery. Everyone seems to forget that.
 
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Raphael said:
Hubbs was having a really good start to the 2015-16 season up until the knee surgery. Everyone seems to forget that.
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He was having a decent season when you consider he was a 5* prospect coming into Knoxville. He's not lived up to that 5* recruit status yet. Let's hope he does in 2016.

Hubbs has the athletic ability & skillset to be a star player. He really does. There's a difference between a really good player & a star player though.

He's got to step up for us in 2016 & be that star player. If he can do that & provide stats similar to what Punter did for us last season we could be a surprise team in the SEC.

Punter came from out of nowhere but Hubbs has been expected to be a star player for us since he signed with us as a freshman. Thanks!
 
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#243
tonybologna said:
He was having a decent season when you consider he was a 5* prospect coming into Knoxville. He's not lived up to that 5* recruit status yet.
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It's not his fault that he's failed to meet everyone's unrealistic expectations. He didn't proclaim himself a 5* player.

Truth is, he played out of position all thru HS and played against some pretty weak competition along the way as well in rural NW Tennessee.

The stargazers who expected him to come in and average 20 ppg as a freshman are the ones who remain shocked and dismayed at his lack of "5* production". It was pretty clear early on in his SO year, and again last year that he didn't always play with max effort and desire, and his skill-set was grossly underdeveloped for an impact SEC SG. He can't create his own shot, his release is slow, he can't dribble the ball well, and he can't defend well on the perimeter. Everything except his size and outside "accuracy" screams PF because he played in the paint in high school, almost exclusively, and his perimeter development has been slow due to injury, multiple coaches, and a general lack of desire to become great.

He never was a 5* player in reality, regardless of recruiting sites' opinions.
 
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cncchris33 said:
It's not his fault that he's failed to meet everyone's unrealistic expectations. He didn't proclaim himself a 5* player.

Truth is, he played out of position all thru HS and played against some pretty weak competition along the way as well in rural NW Tennessee.

The stargazers who expected him to come in and average 20 ppg as a freshman are the ones who remain shocked and dismayed at his lack of "5* production". It was pretty clear early on in his SO year, and again last year that he didn't always play with max effort and desire, and his skill-set was grossly underdeveloped for an impact SEC SG. He can't create his own shot, his release is slow, he can't dribble the ball well, and he can't defend well on the perimeter. Everything except his size and outside "accuracy" screams PF because he played in the paint in high school, almost exclusively, and his perimeter development has been slow due to injury, multiple coaches, and a general lack of desire to become great.

He never was a 5* player in reality, regardless of recruiting sites' opinions.
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His star status was what it is regardless buddy. No, he may not have looked like a 5* player ever since his freshman season but he certainly looked like a player that would have done better than he has to date. I love Hubbs & his game.

He just isn't aggressiveness enough. It's like his confidence has been totally shattered. I understand some of your points & I agree on most of them but we can't change what the scouting services had him as a 5* player coming out of high school to meet those expectations.
 
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tonybologna said:
His star status was what it is regardless buddy. No, he may not have looked like a 5* player ever since his freshman season but he certainly looked like a player that would have done better than he has to date. I love Hubbs & his game.

He just isn't aggressiveness enough. It's like his confidence has been totally shattered. I understand some of your points & I agree on most of them but we can't change what the scouting services had him as a 5* player coming out of high school to meet those expectations.
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By that line of thinking then we shouldn't ever expect a 3* to develop into an all-league player? You're basically saying that rankings are 100% accurate 1-500, there are gonna be some misses, both on highly rated and lowly rated guys.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
By that line of thinking then we shouldn't ever expect a 3* to develop into an all-league player? You're basically saying that rankings are 100% accurate 1-500, there are gonna be some misses, both on highly rated and lowly rated guys.
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You're not understanding my post. Yes, I expect 3* recruits to develop into 5* recruits. It's vice versa too. Like Hubbs for example, he's looked more like a 3* recruit instead of a 5* recruit. However, most 5* recruits should look they are 5* recruits in their game on the floor.

Hubbs for the most part hasn't looked close to a 5*. I would place him between a 3* & 4* SO 3 1/2* would be closer to what I would give him. Does all of Kentucky's 5* recruits look like 5* recruits? No they don't. Most of them do though & that's why ~80% of them get drafted.

We just have so few 5* recruits that ever come to play in Knoxville that we need whoever does sign here as a 5* to play like it for us to succeed & make this program get better.
 
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tonybologna said:
His star status was what it is regardless buddy. No, he may not have looked like a 5* player ever since his freshman season but he certainly looked like a player that would have done better than he has to date. I love Hubbs & his game.

He just isn't aggressiveness enough. It's like his confidence has been totally shattered. I understand some of your points & I agree on most of them but we can't change what the scouting services had him as a 5* player coming out of high school to meet those expectations.
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My point is that people can't take his star status as gospel and believe that system is infallible, buddy.

If you followed his HS career, then you knew the warning signs. He played almost exclusively in the paint and severely lacked perimeter development. In college, he's obviously undersized to continue that career as a post player, but still grossly underdeveloped to be a 5* difference-maker on the perimeter.

Fans always hoped he'd work hard enough to change those things, and for a number of reasons I listed in my above post, it just hasn't happened for him. But the fact that he hasn't been what fans hoped he'd be isn't really his fault because by your own admission, he was overrated coming out.
 
#248
#248
Raphael said:
Hubbs was having a really good start to the 2015-16 season up until the knee surgery. Everyone seems to forget that.
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Was averaging 15.28 pts per game during first 7 games. That is a good start for the season.
 
#249
#249
cncchris33 said:
My point is that people can't take his star status as gospel and believe that system is infallible, buddy.

If you followed his HS career, then you knew the warning signs. He played almost exclusively in the paint and severely lacked perimeter development. In college, he's obviously undersized to continue that career as a post player, but still grossly underdeveloped to be a 5* difference-maker on the perimeter.

Fans always hoped he'd work hard enough to change those things, and for a number of reasons I listed in my above post, it just hasn't happened for him. But the fact that he hasn't been what fans hoped he'd be isn't really his fault because by your own admission, he was overrated coming out.
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I never said he was overrated coming out of high school. Don't place words in my mouth. I said he didn't look like a 5* recruit as a freshman.

That's not saying he was overrated coming into Knoxville straight out of high school. There's a difference. He had a 5* status for a reason by multiple recruiting services.

Obviously, he was looked at as a very good player. Yes, sometimes because of that status fans get overhyped into recruits like this but we need players like a Hubbs to be what his status said he was coming in.

It's not going to work out for all of them no! That's just a 100% fact. Hubbs has been through the ringer in coaches & I do give him somewhat of a pardon for that.

But, he just has never showed like he cares or wants to be a great player. He's also had what 2-3 knee injuries as well that has detoured him a bit. I get what you're saying about him.

I really do but I hope he has improved his game dramatically from last season especially his 3pt shot & we can end up saying Hubbs gave his all as a senior & led this team & performed his best.
 
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#250
tonybologna said:
I never said he was overrated coming out of high school. Don't place words in my mouth. I said he didn't look like a 5* recruit as a freshman.

That's not saying he was overrated coming into Knoxville straight out of high school. There's a difference. He had a 5* status for a reason by multiple recruiting services.

Obviously, he was looked at as a very good player. Yes, sometimes because of that status fans get overhyped into recruits like this but we need players like a Hubbs to be what his status said he was coming in.

It's not going to work out for all of them no! That's just a 100% fact. Hubbs has been through the ringer in coaches & I do give him somewhat of a pardon for that.

But, he just has never showed like he cares or wants to be a great player. He's also had what 2-3 knee injuries as well that has detoured him a bit. I get what you're saying about him.

I really do but I hope he has improved his game dramatically from last season especially his 3pt shot & we can end up saying Hubbs gave his all as a senior & led this team & performed his best.
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You said yourself you saw him somewhere between a 3* & 4* level player, so is that not admitting he wasn't/isn't a 5* player, and thus overrated? I'm not putting words in your mouth, but rather drawing a logical conclusion based off of something you said yourself.
 
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