2015 NBA Playoff Thread

#3,701
#3,701
n_huffhines said:
Virtually everyone I know who cares about basketball thinks Kobe is a great scorer.
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Most people don't think of the word 'scorer' as having anything to do with efficiency. If they did, guys like Artis Gilmore would be more well known.
 
#3,702
#3,702
apevol said:
Most people don't think of the word 'scorer' as having anything to do with efficiency. If they did, guys like Artis Gilmore would be more well known.
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I guess I don't really get what your point is. Your original underlying point seemed to be that stats didn't convince me of anything people didn't already know about Kobe. I differ in that I think you can't evaluate scoring ability without heavily weighing efficiency.
 
#3,703
#3,703
n_huffhines said:
I guess I don't really get what your point is. Your original underlying point seemed to be that stats didn't convince me of anything people didn't already know about Kobe. I differ in that I think you can't evaluate scoring ability without heavily weighing efficiency.
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I guess I hung out with different people. After seeing Kobe billed as the next Jordan, I followed his career and knew by watching him that he was a chucker. He did an excellent MJ impression as far as how he moved, and his mannerisms, but I was never impressed with his shot selection.
 
#3,704
#3,704
apevol said:
I guess I hung out with different people. After seeing Kobe billed as the next Jordan, I followed his career and knew by watching him that he was a chucker. He did an excellent MJ impression as far as how he moved, and his mannerisms, but I was never impressed with his shot selection.
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IMO, he basically has the same shot selection as MJ, but MJ was just really good at taking bad shots. Kobe is/was far better than most, but not good enough to try to take the shots Jordan took.

Durant seems to be really good at taking bad shots. Only a few guys are good enough at it that you want them to do it on the reg.
 
#3,705
#3,705
n_huffhines said:
IMO, he basically has the same shot selection as MJ, but MJ was just really good at taking bad shots. Kobe is/was far better than most, but not good enough to try to take the shots Jordan took.

Durant seems to be really good at taking bad shots. Only a few guys are good enough at it that you want them to do it on the reg.
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Honest question, are you defining bad shots as mid range shots or just by watching them?
 
#3,706
#3,706
n_huffhines said:
IMO, he basically has the same shot selection as MJ, but MJ was just really good at taking bad shots. Kobe is/was far better than most, but not good enough to try to take the shots Jordan took.

Durant seems to be really good at taking bad shots. Only a few guys are good enough at it that you want them to do it on the reg.
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Kobe took too many 3s and wasn't athletic enough to hit a lot of the layups that MJ did.
 
#3,707
#3,707
apevol said:
Kobe took too many 3s and wasn't athletic enough to hit a lot of the layups that MJ did.
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I disagree about the athletic part. I think he was just too stubborn to change for the betterment of his team.
 
#3,709
#3,709
apevol said:
He couldn't get as far up, nor did he have the strength to absorb as much contact.
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I think you forget how incredibly athletic young Kobe was.

I wish I knew what his rim finish percentage was.
 
#3,712
#3,712
zjcvols said:
Honest question, are you defining bad shots as mid range shots or just by watching them?
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I always bash on mid-range shots, but let me be clear, a mid-range shot isn't inherently bad, and it does serve a purpose. It's just that on average it's a worse shot than around the basket and the 3 point line.

I mostly mean shooting out of double teams or fading away from 20' when there is 10" left on the shot clock.
 
#3,714
#3,714
zjcvols said:
I disagree about the athletic part. I think he was just too stubborn to change for the betterment of his team.
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I don't think it's about stubbornness, I think it's about physical limitations. And I'm not talking about explosiveness. To have the motor to go as hard as MJ did on D and then attack the rim the way he did on O...it's insane. Kobe can look the part in every way, but I think MJ's pace was the biggest difference.

Lebron can go about as hard as Kobe, shoots less, passes more, and he's got other physical attributes that put him more on MJ's level. Kobe has probably 0 physical attributes that give him an edge over MJ.
 
#3,715
#3,715
n_huffhines said:
I don't think it's about stubbornness, I think it's about physical limitations. And I'm not talking about explosiveness. To have the motor to go as hard as MJ did on D and then attack the rim the way he did on O...it's insane. Kobe can look the part in every way, but I think MJ's pace was the biggest difference.

Lebron can go about as hard as Kobe, shoots less, passes more, and he's got other physical attributes that put him more on MJ's level. Kobe has probably 0 physical attributes that give him an edge over MJ.
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Kobe had pretty fantastic balance.
 
#3,717
#3,717
I can't remember where I read it, but Jordan averaged an insane ammount of dunks up til his second retirement. Completely blowing away other guards and small forwards.
 
#3,720
#3,720
All these channels to watch - no playoffs to be found (yes, I know when the finals start). The wait is turrible, even though my team is long gone..
 
#3,721
#3,721
Warriors are the first team ever to face every single player on the all-nba first team in the playoffs.

Hornets/Davis
Grizzlies/Gasol
Rockets/Harden
Cavs/James


Also means the Warriors are going to be the first team ever to eliminate every single player on the all-nba first team in the playoffs.
 
#3,722
#3,722
TOP said:
Warriors are the first team ever to face every single player on the all-nba first team in the playoffs.

Hornets/Davis
Grizzlies/Gasol
Rockets/Harden
Cavs/James


Also means the Warriors are going to be the first team ever to eliminate every single player on the all-nba first team in the playoffs.
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I think you meant to say Curry is the first all nba first teamer to face the other 4.
 
#3,724
#3,724
TOP said:
Warriors are the first team ever to face every single player on the all-nba first team in the playoffs.

Hornets/Davis
Grizzlies/Gasol
Rockets/Harden
Cavs/James


Also means the Warriors are going to be the first team ever to eliminate every single player on the all-nba first team in the playoffs.
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Ain't this how the titanic sank?
 
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