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#51
#51
There is more than one team for which Love would never start. He's a stat machine because of the team he's on and its limited options.
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#52
#52
nbakerld said:
It's a little different because Lebron has the ball in his hands all the time. I wasn't the one making the point about Lebron in Cleveland, though. That was someone else. I think it does play in his favor to some extent but they lost Shaq and Delonte West, too. Varejeao has been hurt as well. Cleveland's demise isn't all Lebron, but he is a large part of it.
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My bad, but either way, Love shouldn't even be close to MVP consideration.

BigPapaVol said:
There is more than one team for which Love would never start. He's a stat machine because of the team he's on and its limited options.
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This. I couldn't even fathom a situation in which KLove would be anything better than a third option on a team with even a hope of making a Conference Final.
 
#53
#53
VKAman said:
In the 20 games before Varejao's injury (meaning, with him in the lineup) the Cavs went 1-19. It's not like they only became terrible after losing him.

Given that Shaq was replaced by Hickson, I think we can safely say it wasn't him either.

Like I said, at least 98% LeBron.
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So Hickson replaced Shaq by playing an extra 6 minutes and not playing well? Makes sense. Shaq is shooting 65%. Hickson shoots 45%. There is no comparison.
 
#54
#54
BigPapaVol said:
There is more than one team for which Love would never start. He's a stat machine because of the team he's on and its limited options.
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He gets 15 rpg (5 offensive) and shoots 43% from 3 pt (league average = 35%) because of his teammates?

And Love is not MVP. I just think he's making his claim as one of the best players in the NBA.
 
#55
#55
VKAman said:
Are you really going to try to tell me that Smush Parker is good now? Even Kobe was making fun of him a few weeks ago.

Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm also started for that team. Everyone but Kobe and Lamar would be riding Minnesota's bench. Look at this roster. Are you serious?
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The guys getting the most minutes...

Kobe had:
Odom
Parker
Brown
Mihm

Love has:
Beasley
Ridnour
Johnson
Milicic

I'm taking Kobe's supporting cast. Johnson + Milicic give you 18.2 ppg, 8.3 rpg, and they both shoot below league average. Brown + Mihm give you 17.6 ppg, 12.9 rpg, and the both shoot above league average. No comparison since Odom > Beasley and Ridnour and Smush is a push.
 
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#56
#56
BigPapaVol said:
There is more than one team for which Love would never start. He's a stat machine because of the team he's on and its limited options.
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Bull.

He would not be a first or second option on some teams but he would still be very valuable to ANY team in the NBA and would start for virtually every team.

Leads NBA in rebounding.
Shoots well over 40% from 3, with plenty enough attempts to not be a fluke.
Shoots nearly 90% from the FT line.
He is a good passer, very good on outlet passing.
 
#57
#57
Dwight Howard with another huge night last night, at this point he may be the MVP.
 
#58
#58
GahLee said:
Dwight Howard with another huge night last night, at this point he may be the MVP.
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30 points , 16 boards, and 5 blocks. If he keeps up this pace he's been on for the last month, he is MVP, no doubt.
 
#59
#59
Dwight Howard is MVP and it's not even close. This 1-3 spot favoritism is getting old.

Who cares what cle did last year. That's irrelevant. Without Dwight the magic are contending for a top 5 lottery pick. Without rose the bulls could be looking at an 8 seed in the playoffs. My picks are Dwight, rose, Durant.
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#60
#60
utvols88 said:
Dwight Howard is MVP and it's not even close. This 1-3 spot favoritism is getting old.

Who cares what cle did last year. That's irrelevant. Without Dwight the magic are contending for a top 5 lottery pick. Without rose the bulls could be looking at an 8 seed in the playoffs. My picks are Dwight, rose, Durant.
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I agree. Shaq only won 1 MVP*. I thought that was wrong even when I hated on him for being a Laker.

*And Nash has 2?!!!
 
#62
#62
Nobody realizes that GahLee asks questions, and then uses his expert opinion on all matters sports to tell everybody how stupid they are.
 
#63
#63
I voted Rose. He is entertaining as hell to watch.

Dwight would likely be my 2nd choice but his FT shooting is god awful.
 
#64
#64
GahLee said:
Bull.

He would not be a first or second option on some teams but he would still be very valuable to ANY team in the NBA and would start for virtually every team.

Leads NBA in rebounding.
Shoots well over 40% from 3, with plenty enough attempts to not be a fluke.
Shoots nearly 90% from the FT line.
He is a good passer, very good on outlet passing.
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None of the top tier outfits would start him. Boston - no. LA - No. SA - No. Miami would and his scoring would fall through the floor. Rebounding would go south. Might start in Orlando, but I wouldn't.
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#65
#65
BigPapaVol said:
None of the top tier outfits would start him. Boston - no. LA - No. SA - No. Miami would and his scoring would fall through the floor. Rebounding would go south. Might start in Orlando, but I wouldn't.
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if you dont think that love would start over ron artest you are nuts. he is twice the player that he is.
 
#66
#66
BigPapaVol said:
None of the top tier outfits would start him. Boston - no. LA - No. SA - No. Miami would and his scoring would fall through the floor. Rebounding would go south. Might start in Orlando, but I wouldn't.
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If you dont think that Love would start over Ron Artest you are nuts. He is twice the player that he is.

LeBron James is the MVP.

Derrick Rose is the Michael Wilbon MVP.

That is my feeling, the only player in the league that is worth 50 wins in James.

Be a douche if you want.
 
#68
#68
GahLee said:
if you dont think that love would start over ron artest you are nuts. he is twice the player that he is.
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They wouldn't consider starting him over Artest. Not even remotely. Love is an atrocious defender and nobody trying to win big games is trotting him out there in the post.


As to your douche comment, GFY. As to your love comments, you're lost.
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#69
#69
BigPapaVol said:
None of the top tier outfits would start him. Boston - no. LA - No. SA - No. Miami would and his scoring would fall through the floor. Rebounding would go south. Might start in Orlando, but I wouldn't.
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Boston and san antonio would start him. You might have a point on LA depending on the health of bynum.
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#70
#70
VolBuck24 said:
Boston and san antonio would start him. You might have a point on LA depending on the health of bynum.
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Boston would start him where? SA might, but D and 3s I'd their calling card. LA wouldn't consider it.
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#71
#71
BigPapaVol said:
Boston would start him where? SA might, but D and 3s I'd their calling card. LA wouldn't consider it.
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He would start over davis and oneal right now. LA would consider it if bynum isn't healthy so they can keep odom as the 6th man.
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#72
#72
VolBuck24 said:
He would start over davis and oneal right now. LA would consider it if bynum isn't healthy so they can keep odom as the 6th man.
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Davis? Do what? He backs up Garnett at the 4. Perkins' departure might leave room for him to back up Shaq, but his d doesn't work for a team that wins with it.
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#73
#73
BigPapaVol said:
Davis? Do what? He backs up Garnett at the 4. Perkins' departure might leave room for him to back up Shaq, but his d doesn't work for a team that wins with it.
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Davis started a few games after the perkins trade that's why i said him. Kristic has started lately. Love could start over shaq. Loves d isn't great but its far from atrocious imo.
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#74
#74
Love with his 3rd straight 20-20 game. 59 double-doubles, including 50 straight. Shooting 42% from 3 pt
 
#75
#75
Yankee_Vol said:
Love with his 3rd straight 20-20 game. 59 double-doubles, including 50 straight. Shooting 42% from 3 pt
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He is a terrible player, if he were on any other team he would ride the pine. It is soley because the awful team that he plays on that he is able to out-rebound every player on the court every single night.

that 3-point % is null and void because the team he plays for is awful.

See how dumb this argument sounds?

By the way BPV, LA would give their left nut and Artest for Love, Artest is half the defender he used to be and that was his only value.

Love would be a legit 3rd/4th option on offense and the best rebounder on the team by far.

Artest is a clown who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat at this point.
 
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