2008 Speculation: Firing Fulmer?

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I think it's quite apparent that firing Fulmer has reached a fever pitch -- and quite rightly so. I'll be the first to say I'm a little wary of this -- but not necessarily for the obvious reasons. I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts if this plays out:

Let's assume UT ends 8-4 or even 7-5; however, the Clawson offense begins to gain some enormous traction as it's further implemented (let's just be kind and assume Crompton picks it up). It becomes dynamic, fun to watch, and most important, you can see great potential. Is it worth risking losing Clawson, Drayton, and Scott to get a new HC or is it best to let Fulmer go and clean house? I'm assuming a new HC would want to pick his own guys -- and I think that's fairly common. I'm skeptical of cleaning house again when we just changed half our staff last year. Fulmer has a suitcase full of issues, but I want to see what the new coaches can do.
 
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I wouldn't have a problem retaining Clawson and his guys, regardless of the outcome of the season.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I think it's quite apparent that firing Fulmer has reached a fever pitch -- and quite rightly so. I'll be the first to say I'm a little wary of this -- but not necessarily for the obvious reasons. I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts if this plays out:

Let's assume UT ends 8-4 or even 7-5; however, the Clawson offense begins to gain some enormous traction as it's further implemented (let's just be kind and assume Crompton picks it up). It becomes dynamic, fun to watch, and most important, you can see great potential. Is it worth risking losing Clawson, Drayton, and Scott to get a new HC or is it best to let Fulmer go and clean house? I'm assuming a new HC would want to pick his own guys -- and I think that's fairly common. I'm skeptical of cleaning house again when we just changed half our staff last year. Fulmer has a suitcase full of issues, but I want to see what the new coaches can do.
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It isn't a foregone conclusion that if Fulmer goes the offensive staff goes, it all depends on the next HC's offensive philosophy. The defensive coaches are all out the door with Fulmer though.
 
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DC Vol said:
I wouldn't have a problem retaining Clawson and his guys, regardless of the outcome of the season.
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Agreed. The micromanaging is in full effect with Clawson and Cromp. This is one thing I was DEAD wrong about regarding Fulmer handing the keys of the offense to Clawson.
 
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Nothing against Clawson, or Drayton, or any of the other new coaches.

"Cleaning house" means just that.

A new HC will most likely bring in his own guys, anyway.

Survival of the fittest.

Fulmer should have been the first one off the Island, back in (circle appropriate year).

go vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Nothing against Clawson, or Drayton, or any of the other new coaches.

"Cleaning house" means just that.

A new HC will most likely bring in his own guys, anyway.

Survival of the fittest.

Fulmer should have been the first one off the Island, back in (circle appropriate year).

go vols.
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I'm just saying that if we get a new HC in (pure speculation) if he sees it fit to retain the offensive staff, so be it. I wouldn't mind retaining Clawson and his guys.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I think it's quite apparent that firing Fulmer has reached a fever pitch -- and quite rightly so. I'll be the first to say I'm a little wary of this -- but not necessarily for the obvious reasons. I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts if this plays out:

Let's assume UT ends 8-4 or even 7-5; however, the Clawson offense begins to gain some enormous traction as it's further implemented (let's just be kind and assume Crompton picks it up). It becomes dynamic, fun to watch, and most important, you can see great potential. Is it worth risking losing Clawson, Drayton, and Scott to get a new HC or is it best to let Fulmer go and clean house? I'm assuming a new HC would want to pick his own guys -- and I think that's fairly common. I'm skeptical of cleaning house again when we just changed half our staff last year. Fulmer has a suitcase full of issues, but I want to see what the new coaches can do.
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Surely if the offense does gain some traction then all of our problems disappear. It seems to me that we have dropped two games this season from poor offense and special teams play. The special teams will turn around once Colquit comes back. If Crompton can learn the other 75% of the Clawfense then we would have a chance to actually compete. Thus reaching Fulmer's magic number of 8 and saving his job yet again... who knows, if that happens maybe we can start next season competitive for the first time in a decade...
 
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I guess I should have rephrased a little. Will you, as fans, be OK with retaining the current staff if my hypothetical situation happens. Obviously, a 4 to 5 loss seasons is not good, but......
 
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I am more of if you turn the corner, don't look back. Clawson would have just wound up in a tough situation where failure was not acceptable and taking time to ramp up cost too much. BUT, if as many have said that it appears the offensse has turned a corner and things improve at the end of the year, Fulmer won't be fired. He will get credit for hiring the guy. It will be called growing pains or whatever. He will be given another year.
 
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Clawson is obviously a smart dude. I really hope he is able to show enough progress to prove his worth and not sabotage his career by coming on with us.
 
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I'm going to try to be positive this weekend. If it doesn't work, I will continue my negative Fulmer bashing
 
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VolsByNature said:
I'm going to try to be positive this weekend. If it doesn't work, I will continue my negative Fulmer bashing
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Last week it took until the day before the game for me to get psyched up...this week I don't know that I'll really be able to get up for it at all. I'm just numb at this point...waiting to see what kind of new disaster Saturday will bring.
 
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Well I am ready and excited for the game this weekend only good things can happen as far as I am concerned. 1) we finally show up and play real football and maybe all of my negative speculations can be turned around. 2) If not that means all my speculations are correct and we are not climbing out of this hell hole but the outlook could still be good because then that is another loss closer to Foolmer being booted from his throne he has built for himself
 
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VolByBirth said:
I think it's quite apparent that firing Fulmer has reached a fever pitch -- and quite rightly so. I'll be the first to say I'm a little wary of this -- but not necessarily for the obvious reasons. I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts if this plays out:

Let's assume UT ends 8-4 or even 7-5; however, the Clawson offense begins to gain some enormous traction as it's further implemented (let's just be kind and assume Crompton picks it up). It becomes dynamic, fun to watch, and most important, you can see great potential. Is it worth risking losing Clawson, Drayton, and Scott to get a new HC or is it best to let Fulmer go and clean house? I'm assuming a new HC would want to pick his own guys -- and I think that's fairly common. I'm skeptical of cleaning house again when we just changed half our staff last year. Fulmer has a suitcase full of issues, but I want to see what the new coaches can do.
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Assume 8-4 or 7-5? That's one heck on an assumption! On the remaining schedule the Vols will beat Northern Illinois, Wyoming, Miss. St., and Kentucky. Maybe, just maybe, Vanderbilt too (but I wouldn't bet on it). Better to assume 5-7 or 6-6.
 
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If UT were to hire an up an comer like MUSCHAMP who is defensive minded he might be willing to keep Clawson and his staff and clean house on the defensive side of the ball. That to me would be the ideal scenario.
 
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JMBIGORANGE said:
If UT were to hire an up an comer like MUSCHAMP who is defensive minded he might be willing to keep Clawson and his staff and clean house on the defensive side of the ball. That to me would be the ideal scenario.
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I would be ok with that. Thats if muschamp wanted to keep him. Most of the time it doesn't happen that way.
 
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Fulmer's not going anywhere after this year. The next bodies to go under the bus are on the defensive side of the ball. If, after both the offensive AND defensive staffs are completely replaced... then he'll (Fulmer) get a year or two to make them both gel... if after that we're still in the tank, then I think a buy-out will be in order.

But it just ain't happening this year. Let's move along.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I think it's quite apparent that firing Fulmer has reached a fever pitch -- and quite rightly so. I'll be the first to say I'm a little wary of this -- but not necessarily for the obvious reasons. I'm curious as to everyone's thoughts if this plays out:

Let's assume UT ends 8-4 or even 7-5; however, the Clawson offense begins to gain some enormous traction as it's further implemented (let's just be kind and assume Crompton picks it up). It becomes dynamic, fun to watch, and most important, you can see great potential. Is it worth risking losing Clawson, Drayton, and Scott to get a new HC or is it best to let Fulmer go and clean house? I'm assuming a new HC would want to pick his own guys -- and I think that's fairly common. I'm skeptical of cleaning house again when we just changed half our staff last year. Fulmer has a suitcase full of issues, but I want to see what the new coaches can do.
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The only problem, we are not seeing Clawson's offense. It is the same offense we saw last year. I know Fulmer has a hand in this. I am not sure if we will see it all year, and we really won't know how good Clawson really is.
I agree with what you are saying. I think this sucks for Clawson. People are bashing him, and honestly, I don't think he has had a fair shake. I believe Fulmer is forcing him to keep Crompton in the game and I know for a fact he has scaled the offense back to make things easier for Crompton. I heard the guy from Volquest on the Sportsmonster and Clawson told him this during an interview.
I don't have a problem keeping Clawson and his guys around at all. At least long enough to see what he can do if given a chance to actually do it. However, I think if Phil goes, everyone will be gone.
 
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The jury is still out on Clawson, he did turn a couple of programs around. I know they were lesser programs, but I think he can coach. The problem appears to be that Crapton cant grasp his offense. Chavis definitely needs to go, and I am all for replacing Fulmer but they have to be careful. If they dont have the right guy lined up we could be in worse shape than we are now. Tennessee is still a good job though and I think they should be able to upgrade. We need a guy who has fire in his eyes and a hunger to win. When we get that things will be right again on Rocky Top.
 
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I hope Clawson, and the rest of the offensive staff stay no matter the outcome of the season. I think his offense could be just what our program needs. We need an attraction offensively to the university. I think his offense works, and is effective. However his offense is a very in depth and has a sprawling playbook. As we can tell with our current situation, we need to have someone at QB who can mentally handle this playbook and how its ran. Putting someone competent in behind the center is what we need.

Not using our current OC to his fullest potential is like our G-gun formation, so much potential but implemented poorly making everyone wanting just a little more.
 
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