2001 Citrus Bowl

#26
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VegasVol said:
Just step back and thing about it. Putting fandom aside, if you were hand-picking a roster...

1. Would you rather have Rohan Davey & Matt Mauck (both would be all-SEC) or Casey Clausen?

2. Would you rather have Domanick Williams & Toefield or Travis Stephens?

3. Would you rather have Josh Reed, Michael Clayton, Devery Henderson, Robert Royal, Eric Edwards, Domanick Williams and Toefield to catch passes or Stallworth, Washington, Witten, Parker, Graham, Stephens and Bartholomew?

The first two would be easily LSU; the third would be closer, but still favor LSU. Collectively, it's an easy choice in favor of LSU.
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In 2001, Casey Clausen and Stephens.
In 2001, I also Would've taken our WR corps considering Royal, Henderson (who wasn't an SEC WR at the time, instead a RB), Williams (didn't record a catch), and Edwards (had two catches) didn't do much at all. Reed and Clayton vs. Stallworth, Washington, Witten, Parker, etc...

Are you even serious?
 
#27
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tvols75 said:
Never seen you back this up, but I will list the Vols players that got signed by GMs.

1. Witten
2. Burnett
3. Stallworth
4. Jones
5. Henderson
6. Haynesworth
7. Weary
8. Overstreet
9. Stephens
10. Lott
11. Coleman
12. Gaines
13. Stevenson
14. Moore
15. Washington
16. Battle
17. Franklin
18. Whiteside
19. Moore
20. Veal
21. Wilson
22. Fleming
23. Wells
24. Houston
25. Colquitt


Would love to see LSU's list.
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Thankyou...Give me UT's team all day but Saban as coach. He was the only thing better, UT had the better players.
 
#30
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tvols75 said:
In 2001, Casey Clausen and Stephens.
In 2001, I also Would've taken our WR corps considering Royal, Henderson (who wasn't an SEC WR at the time, instead a RB), Williams (didn't record a catch), and Edwards (had two catches) didn't do much at all. Reed and Clayton vs. Stallworth, Washington, Witten, Parker, etc...

Are you even serious?
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I made that exact point. Over the career of all players they may have had better career's, but in 2001 we had the better team and talent and it wasnt close.Dude is an idiot.
 
#31
#31
tvols75 said:
Never seen you back this up, but I will list the Vols players that got signed by GMs.

1. Witten
2. Burnett
3. Stallworth
4. Jones
5. Henderson
6. Haynesworth
7. Weary
8. Overstreet
9. Stephens
10. Lott
11. Stevenson
12. Moore
13. Washington
14. Battle
15. Franklin
16. Whiteside
17.Moore
18. Veal
19. Fleming
20. Wells
21. Houston
22. Colquitt

Would love to see LSU's list.
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1. Louis Williams
2. Danny Boyd
3. Rohan Davey
4. Josh Reed
5. Jarvis Green
6. Howard Green
7. Ryan Clark
8. Domanick Davis-Williams
9. Kendrick Allen
10. LeBrandon Toefield
11. Robert Royal
12. Bradie James
13. Adrian Mayes
14. Chad Lavalais
15. Trev Faulk
16. Eric Edwards
17. Marquise Hill
18. Devery Henderson
19. Randall Gay
20. Michael Clayton
21. Eric Alexander
22. Marcus Randall
23. Matt Mauck
24. Norman LeJeune
25. Corey Webster
26. Marcus Spears
27. Stephen Peterman
28. Travis Daniels

I've bolded the guys who made the league for 3 or more years.

Made an NFL Roster for 3 or More Years
LSU: 24
Tennessee: 15
 
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#32
#32
jasonvol18 said:
I made that exact point. Over the career of all players they may have had better career's, but in 2001 we had the better team and talent and it wasnt close.Dude is an idiot.
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So you think the coaches, the press and the recruiting analysts were all "idiots" because they all disagree with you on which team was more talented. You must be the "special" one.
 
#33
#33
tvols75 said:
In 2001, Casey Clausen and Stephens.
In 2001, I also Would've taken our WR corps considering Royal, Henderson (who wasn't an SEC WR at the time, instead a RB), Williams (didn't record a catch), and Edwards (had two catches) didn't do much at all. Reed and Clayton vs. Stallworth, Washington, Witten, Parker, etc...

Are you even serious?
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Travis Stephens wasn't even in the top-5 of SEC tailbacks in 2001, talent wise. If he was so good, why couldn't he even make an NFL roster? If Clausen was so good, why couldn't he even get drafted or make a roster?
 
#34
#34
VegasVol said:
1. Louis Williams
2. Danny Boyd
3. Rohan Davey
4. Josh Reed
5. Jarvis Green
6. Howard Green
7. Ryan Clark
8. Clarence LeBlanc
9. Brandon Winey
10. Domanick Williams
11. Kendrick Allen
12. LeBrandon Toefield
13. Robert Royal
14. Bradie James
15. Adrian Mayes
16. Chad Lavalais
17. Trev Faulk
18. Eric Edwards
19. Marquise Hill
20. Devery Henderson
21. Randall Gay
22. Michael Clayton
23. Eric Alexander
24. Marcus Randall
25. Matt Mauck
26. Fred Booker
27. Norman LeJeune
28. Corey Webster
29. Marcus Spears
30. Stephen Peterman
31. Travis Daniels

I've bolded the guys who made the league for 3 or more years.

Made an NFL Roster for 3 or More Years
LSU: 25
Tennessee: 15
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Winey, LeBlanc, Domanick Williams, and Booker weren't on the 01 Roster I saw. Now highlight all the LSU players who played a role in that game.

Also, if you think recruiting services up to the 01 year say LSU was ranked higher, you don't know what you are talking about.
 
#35
#35
VegasVol said:
Travis Stephens wasn't even in the top-5 of SEC tailbacks in 2001, talent wise. If he was so good, why couldn't he even make an NFL roster? If Clausen was so good, why couldn't he even get drafted or make a roster?
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Was he better than the LSU backs in 01? Yes.

If Davey was so good why did he have to go to Europe not long after drafted and then later got cut and never played a meaningful down?
 
#38
#38
volroadwarrior said:
I watched that game with a group of Michigan fans and never heard so many excuses in my life. When I said "look at that TE out running those DBs", that's when the **** hit the fan.
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How can you make excuses for a beating like that? LMAO did they actually see the final score?
 
#39
#39
We got 3rd an chavious'd that LSU game. We already beat their A$$ in Knoxville earlier in the year. The teams were a wash. We were out coached!
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#40
#40
jasonvol18 said:
Your absolutely right. Im not so sure that team wasnt better than the '98 team. Atleast on offense we were way better. No way we should have lost to LSU in the SEC Championship. That falls on the Coach's for not having them mentally ready after beating Florida the week before. We knocked Davey out and still lost to them. You could tell watching the LSU game our guys were not even close to being focused outside of Clausen. I think we could have beaten Miami that year or at the least made it one hell of a game. Me personally that was still the worst loss I can remember. I mean the skill players we had on that team was unreal. Hope we can get back to that very soon.
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No way Jose.
 
#41
#41
tvols75 said:
Also, if you think recruiting services up to the 01 year say LSU was ranked higher, you don't know what you are talking about.
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Look again. LSU had 3 top-10 recruiting classes, and 2 top-5 recruiting classes, by most rankings from 1998-2001; we had 2 top-10 recruiting classes and 1 top-5 recruiting class in that same time period.
 
#42
#42
VegasVol said:
Look again. LSU had 3 top-10 recruiting classes, and 2 top-5 recruiting classes, by most rankings from 1998-2001; we had 2 top-10 recruiting classes and 1 top-5 recruiting class in that same time period.
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Do you have the exact numbers by chance?
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#43
#43
tvols75 said:
Was he better than the LSU backs in 01? Yes.

If Davey was so good why did he have to go to Europe not long after drafted and then later got cut and never played a meaningful down?
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Getting an NFL paycheck for 4 years is better than never being drafted, never making an NFL roster, & never getting a paycheck.
 
#44
#44
I, for one, don't blame every little thing I can on Fulmer. He had some great years and based on overall WLs was one of the best. His last 5 years were a downward spiral and had to be ended. Losing Cutcliffe was the beginning of the end. He is one of the reasons that I differ with all of the DD detractors who are mad that we didn't hire a "big name" coach instead of an up and comer. Fulmer was a "big name", but lost his touch and motivation to do what was necessary.

We had the talent and coaching for a decade. The year of the 2001 Citrus Bowl win was about the last of the great years and a long slide into above average teams and then to mediocrity. The only good thing to get from this is that all teams go through down cycles and come back to the top.
 
#45
#45
vol4eva said:
We're not even close to that kind of talent yet. It was a disaster that team didn't win the Sec. Should of been undefeated heading into the big one. The lack of coaching and having your team ready to play cost us dearly. I just hope one day we can see that kind of talent on the field again.
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The Georgia game from that year was when I lost faith in Fulmer. That was Richt's first big SEC road game and he coached Fulmer right off the field. Yes they should have been undefeated going to the Rose Bowl.
 
#46
#46
VegasVol said:
Look again. LSU had 3 top-10 recruiting classes, and 2 top-5 recruiting classes, by most rankings from 1998-2001; we had 2 top-10 recruiting classes and 1 top-5 recruiting class in that same time period.
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Just wondering where you got this at.
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#47
#47
UT looked very talented because they played very well together.

The 34-32 win vs. Florida the week before was one of the best games EVER played in the SEC.

And the Vols get credit for beating Spurrier in his last game in the Swamp and ending the Gators' run to the SEC-C and the NC.

That was Michigan's worst loss to date, which means in about 1,000 games.
 
#48
#48
NEW COACH said:
Receivers- Parker, Washington, stallworth, Graham, witten, Lott

Rb- stephens

Qb- clausen

Dline- overstreet, Henderson, haynesworth

Secondary- baker, Greer
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I respectfully disagree that we are "so many light years away" from this level of talent.

Of the five areas you listed, the only one where I'd say we are significantly down from this level of talent is at DT ... I don't guess we've ever had a pair the likes of Henderson and Haynesworth (except, I don't remember who lined up beside Reggie White at DT). But even our 98 team had a cast of several rotating in the DL with a lot of injuries, question marks and role players, and they got job done.

QB? No sir, I'd take Bray over Clausen; no worse than equal.

RB -- I'd give a slight nod to Stephens, but say Poole is close behind and we don't even know yet about our younger RBs.

Receivers -- those mentioned are better, but we don't know that they are light yrs ahead of current talent. Guys like Clear are unproven, but who knows how they'll turn out?

DB -- no sir, I'd take 3 or 4 of our current ones over Baker and Greer, who both struggled when they were young before going on to the league.

Now, we didn't "go there" with LBs, but again, our current ones are unknown which does not necessarily mean bad.

Conversely, we didn't address OL and I think our current bunch offers as much promise of talent as any unit we have ever put there. We shall see. :hi:
 
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#49
#49
And now, Matt Mauck is a dentist in Colorado....Till this day I am still enraged by this fact. I cannot seem to let it go that he ruined our chances to have an opportunity to play in the title game. I remember givin up plans to stay at home and watch this game. I was only like 10 years old at the time so these plans weren't extravagant by any means but still....i felt dedicated and then so let down after I watched a 2nd string nobody lead LSU to beat us. Now I feel embarassed by the fact that we allowed this guy to make us look like fools in the SECCG.....and now he's a....dentist.
 
#50
#50
VegasVol said:
Travis Stephens wasn't even in the top-5 of SEC tailbacks in 2001, talent wise. If he was so good, why couldn't he even make an NFL roster? If Clausen was so good, why couldn't he even get drafted or make a roster?
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That argument doesn't hold water. Some of the best college football players in the history of the sport didn't have great success in the pros.
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