2-Top 25(22) final rankings in a row!!!!!

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JacketVol said:
Back in 98 and living in Knoxville, I heard idiots complaining about us not beating teams by enough while winning it all. Same ones on here now complaining about two top 25 finishes. Of course, we are happy about losing to SC and Vandy and not winning the east. That is as stupid a comment as you can make. No one is happy with that but can still be happy that we finished ranked. Or , you can just be a piss ant about probably everything in life. Since I wrote this, I guess you will call me pathetic and I don't care about winning championships. WRONG. I expect more in the future but can still be happy to find out we were ranked. Better feeling at the end of the year than most the last decade. Doesn't mean I am settling but means I can enjoy this for what it is while exoecting more in the future. CBJ either wins some real titles soon or he will be gone. Doesn't mean you are an idiot to find some enjoyment in what this team did this season. The Florida and Georgia games and being in Neyland and breaking that streak while watching with my son will always bring a smile to my face. If that makes me pathetic then I will enjoy being pathetic. GBO
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No one's unhappy about 2 Top 25 finishes. The OP was fine, until he got all high-and-mighty about his post-season prediction (or whatever that was), and then pretended like anyone who expected more (like most did) was crazy.

After the GA game, nobody thought this team would finish with 8 regular-season wins. Nobody. And if they say they did, they're lying.

*Strike that...the one's who had no faith in Butch called it.*
 
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Boca Vol said:
Oh really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_ssHwseBg

Just keep lowering the bar!

Justification for the results of this season is the equivalent of a parent bragging to all their friends that their child is in all advanced (AP) classes then telling those same friends how happy you are that the child merely passed.
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Obviously with your analogy you have no idea about raising kids.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
If you listen to people on this site you will understand that players, and recruits, and coaches all read the comments in these threads. It's people like you that are the reason Tennessee can't hire a good coach and can't get better players. We have immense power here.
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I'd love to be able to get past the Nega vs Posi, Butch vs Fahr Butch dynamic here. The real problem is the long standing institutional issues at the University and with the AD. WE should be able to agree on that, but we can't. Some people view anything related to UT as infallible and refuse to question their direction, and focus, and intent.

Until that's fixed, the football program won't be fixed. And so the arguments continue.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I'd love to be able to get past the Nega vs Posi, Butch vs Fahr Butch dynamic here. The real problem is the long standing institutional issues at the University and with the AD. WE should be able to agree on that, but we can't. Some people view anything related to UT as infallible and refuse to question their direction, and focus, and intent.

Until that's fixed, the football program won't be fixed. And so the arguments continue.
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+1
 
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salutethehill said:
No one's unhappy about 2 Top 25 finishes. The OP was fine, until he got all high-and-mighty about his post-season prediction (or whatever that was), and then pretended like anyone who expected more (like most did) was crazy.

After the GA game, nobody thought this team would finish with 8 regular-season wins. Nobody. And if they say they did, they're lying.

*Strike that...the one's who had no faith in Butch called it.*
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I wouldn't say I'm happy or unhappy about finishing 22nd because it's meaningless. Expectations were definitely not met this year and anyone who tries to make you feel like you should be grateful for the outcome is just full of themselves. This was an unmitigated disaster of a season for Butch in what was supposed to be his coronation as the savior of UT football.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I'd love to be able to get past the Nega vs Posi, Butch vs Fahr Butch dynamic here. The real problem is the long standing institutional issues at the University and with the AD. WE should be able to agree on that, but we can't. Some people view anything related to UT as infallible and refuse to question their direction, and focus, and intent.

Until that's fixed, the football program won't be fixed. And so the arguments continue.
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I agree to a point but I said it yesterday that if you hire the right coach then none of that other stuff matters a bit. If you admit that there are problems with the administration then you are by definition also admiting that we hired the wrong coach.

I don't think out BOT have any different mindset or goals than any other BOT at other big universities. We simply struck out on our coaching hire by getting and arrogant thin skinned inept controlling micromanage g cliche filled boob for a coach.

Fix that and you fix everything else that matters to us.
 
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volfanjustin said:
year 1-youth and inexperience
year 2-youth and inexperience
year 3-youth and inexperience
year 4-injuries
year 5-(i am going to help you all excuse makers out) we lost Dobbs and several good players to NFL
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If that's the excuse and it may well be, then that's just an admission that the staff can't develop players.
 
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madbamahater said:
Not true.....

UTs 2 SEC West opponents were ranked either 1 in the Nation or near 1 in the Nation when the Vols played them..
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So? Alabama is always ranked high when we play them and in years past we have played high ranking OOC games. The schedule this year was our easiest in at least 2 decades. We left the state only 3 out of 13 games and two of those games were against terrible teams with first year coaches and freshman QBs. Literally everyone in the SEC east sucked this year and sucked bad. The SEC east has probably never been easier to win than it was this year ever. So Bama and Tamu were ranked high? We should have beaten Tamu except for Dobbs mistake. Bama was the only game we truly should have lost. We should have been better than all the other teams.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I agree to a point but I said it yesterday that if you hire the right coach then none of that other stuff matters a bit. If you admit that there are problems with the administration then you are by definition also admiting that we hired the wrong coach.

I don't think out BOT have any different mindset or goals than any other BOT at other big universities. We simply struck out on our coaching hire by getting and arrogant thin skinned inept controlling micromanage g cliche filled boob for a coach.

Fix that and you fix everything else that matters to us.
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It's not the BOT as much as the Administration and AD...though I know the two are inextricably linked.

It's a chicken/ egg argument. You have to have the right coach yes, but they hire that coach.
 
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madbamahater said:
Not true.....

UTs 2 SEC West opponents were ranked either 1 in the Nation or near 1 in the Nation when the Vols played them..
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Butch's sub-par WINLESS record against West teams is irrelevant here. They didn't keep us from achieving our goal....losses against the sub .500 teams of the East did. Nobody thought we'd beat Bama, and TAMU was a realistic toss-up. But we made USC and Vandy bowl eligible....and there is no excuse for that.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Well it's true. Neither I, not anyone else here have any control over this situation. That doesn't preclude me from having an educated opinion on the matter.
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I was afraid that might be misunderstood. That's pretty much what I've been saying for 2 months, just differently and with a lot more words.
 
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madbamahater said:
Not true.....

UTs 2 SEC West opponents were ranked either 1 in the Nation or near 1 in the Nation when the Vols played them..
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aTm was so good this year, their coach is sitting right next to Butch in the hot seat waiting room.

aTm was so good, they actually BEAT SC the week before they played us.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
It's not the BOT as much as the Administration and AD...though I know the two are inextricably linked.

It's a chicken/ egg argument. You have to have the right coach yes, but they hire that coach.
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It depends on the argument you are trying to make. If you are simple saying the administration is just inept and can't hire a good coach, that's one thing. If your argument is that the administration is somehow sacrificing athletics in favor of academics and that there is some grand power struggle going on then I disagree. I think the same things happen at Tennessee that happen at Bama or OSU. They just got better coaches.
 
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Behr said:
I was afraid that might be misunderstood. That's pretty much what I've been saying for 2 months, just differently and with a lot more words.
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Understood...thanks.

Posting opinions here can make one understandably paranoid.
 
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temptn said:
So if they were not the captain of the team and valedictorian they were failures?
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No, not at all. This is the problem with the A or Z argument when B through Y are ignored.

It's not black or white. It's always various shades of grey. Simply passing wasn't good enough. That doesn't mean valedictorian or bust.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
It depends on the argument you are trying to make. If you are simple saying the administration is just inept and can't hire a good coach, that's one thing. If your argument is that the administration is somehow sacrificing athletics in favor of academics and that there is some grand power struggle going on then I disagree. I think the same things happen at Tennessee that happen at Bama or OSU. They just got better coaches.
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That is the point I'm trying to make. It's been publicly going on since Fulmer was here, and it continues today. They got better coaches because it was a priority to do so. It's not here, and in fact the priority is to have a football coach with little to no "juice" on campus....somebody thankful to be here and do as he's told. Doesn't mean that guy can be a winner....but they likely won't hire a guy that already is because of the level of control he will expect.
 
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Mtntrout said:
Those who saw 8 or 9 wins in 2016, how many do you see in 2017? If the same or less, isn't that showing a lack of improvement? If more, what do you see as more favorable?
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Simple win and loss count are not the final measure of improvement. They are a good benchmark but the context of those wins and losses matters in the equation too.

Beating UF and UGA = Good
Losing to Vandy and USC and handing the east to Florida= completely negates those wins

So people who say "well we beat Florida so it was improvement" don't have a good argument in my view because the context matters.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Admit it - some of you are just upset that Tennessee is ranked in the final poll. Doesn't help your "sky is falling" "nothing is good" agenda.
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Actually, it just rubs salt in the wounds knowing they were ranked 9th in the AP preseason and fell well short of those expectations.

Nice try though.
 
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