'16 NC QB Austin Kendall (former UT commit)

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True North Vol said:
“So just because we want to be great in football, I don’t want it to be like we’re Johnny Appleseed throwing offers around,” Shaw said. “We offer, it’s backed because you have academics, you have high character, you are a good football player, we have a spot for you that we will wait for you to make your decision. That spot is yours, and it’s real. I understand nobody else operates that way, and I’m fine with that.”
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I'd say. Next time Stanford wins a National Championship we might want to consider this as a viable option for future recruitment.
 
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True North Vol said:
How about this? This is an article on Stanford's recruiting methods. In my opinion what Shaw articulates gets to the heart of what is actually up for debate here, if we weren't distracted by one poster's self-righteous, black and white world view.


"David Shaw owns a 42-12 record as the head coach of the Stanford Cardinal.*It isn’t easy to win football games on “The Farm” because of the school’s stringent academic standards.

In the five recruiting classes Shaw and his staff cobbled together, only one of them were considered a Top 10 class, according to Rivals.com.

Shaw’s approach to recruiting is very different from other schools, though. He places a much higher priority on loyalty and development than blanketing the country with offers.

“This is not meant to offend anybody, but I’m sure it will. I want the Stanford offers to be real,” Shaw told the Cardinal Sports Report’s Andy Drukarev. “I want them to hold weight. We give an offer to a kid, it’s an offer. It’s a real offer. There’s no time expiration on it. We’re not dangling it between you and three other guys (saying), ‘Hey, first one to jump gets it.’ We just don’t operate that way.

“We are slow and methodical. And some recruits and some parents don’t understand that. Because there have been guys, there are guys on our team right now, that we didn’t offer early, that we offered late, and it was a hurdle for us to get over. And what I typically say is, ‘I’m not going to offer you a scholarship until I know that I have that scholarship for you. Now, if somebody offered you three months before and you want to hold that against us? OK, that’s fine. But is that going to be a decision-maker for you?’

“Does it matter that you meet your wife a month later than you thought you should have? It doesn’t matter. Half this recruiting stuff is crap. It’s all crap. It’s all flashing lights, it’s all emotion. When it comes down to it…here’s what Stanford has to offer. Does it fit what you’re looking for? We cut through all the other stuff. Other people can talk, and that’s great. And some people out there are great recruiters. They’re a great recruiter at one school, become a great recruiter at another school. I have no problem with that.”

As every step of the recruiting process becomes more publicized due to social media, examples of recruits being showered with hundreds of recruiting letters and dozens of offers have become common place.

Stanford will never take that approach.

“So just because we want to be great in football, I don’t want it to be like we’re Johnny Appleseed throwing offers around,” Shaw said. “We offer, it’s backed because you have academics, you have high character, you are a good football player, we have a spot for you that we will wait for you to make your decision. That spot is yours, and it’s real. I understand nobody else operates that way, and I’m fine with that.”
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I think that article supports the poster to which you refer. Here is the other ways most schools recruit.

8 common lies coaches tell recruits | AL.com

I respect the Stanford way much more.
 
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True North Vol said:
How about this? This is an article on Stanford's recruiting methods. In my opinion what Shaw articulates gets to the heart of what is actually up for debate here, if we weren't distracted by one poster's self-righteous, black and white world view.


"David Shaw owns a 42-12 record as the head coach of the Stanford Cardinal.*It isn’t easy to win football games on “The Farm” because of the school’s stringent academic standards.

In the five recruiting classes Shaw and his staff cobbled together, only one of them were considered a Top 10 class, according to Rivals.com.

Shaw’s approach to recruiting is very different from other schools, though. He places a much higher priority on loyalty and development than blanketing the country with offers.

“This is not meant to offend anybody, but I’m sure it will. I want the Stanford offers to be real,” Shaw told the Cardinal Sports Report’s Andy Drukarev. “I want them to hold weight. We give an offer to a kid, it’s an offer. It’s a real offer. There’s no time expiration on it. We’re not dangling it between you and three other guys (saying), ‘Hey, first one to jump gets it.’ We just don’t operate that way.

“We are slow and methodical. And some recruits and some parents don’t understand that. Because there have been guys, there are guys on our team right now, that we didn’t offer early, that we offered late, and it was a hurdle for us to get over. And what I typically say is, ‘I’m not going to offer you a scholarship until I know that I have that scholarship for you. Now, if somebody offered you three months before and you want to hold that against us? OK, that’s fine. But is that going to be a decision-maker for you?’

“Does it matter that you meet your wife a month later than you thought you should have? It doesn’t matter. Half this recruiting stuff is crap. It’s all crap. It’s all flashing lights, it’s all emotion. When it comes down to it…here’s what Stanford has to offer. Does it fit what you’re looking for? We cut through all the other stuff. Other people can talk, and that’s great. And some people out there are great recruiters. They’re a great recruiter at one school, become a great recruiter at another school. I have no problem with that.”

As every step of the recruiting process becomes more publicized due to social media, examples of recruits being showered with hundreds of recruiting letters and dozens of offers have become common place.

Stanford will never take that approach.

“So just because we want to be great in football, I don’t want it to be like we’re Johnny Appleseed throwing offers around,” Shaw said. “We offer, it’s backed because you have academics, you have high character, you are a good football player, we have a spot for you that we will wait for you to make your decision. That spot is yours, and it’s real. I understand nobody else operates that way, and I’m fine with that.”
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This makes what Mason was doing at Vandy make more sense last year but you can't do that in the SEC especially when your not established like Stanford. Shaw took over a program Harbaugh put on a pedestal so he can get away with this. You can't pull that crap at Vandy when you have no advantages over your competition
 
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True North Vol said:
How about this? This is an article on Stanford's recruiting methods. In my opinion what Shaw articulates gets to the heart of what is actually up for debate here, if we weren't distracted by one poster's self-righteous, black and white world view.


"David Shaw owns a 42-12 record as the head coach of the Stanford Cardinal.*It isn’t easy to win football games on “The Farm” because of the school’s stringent academic standards.

In the five recruiting classes Shaw and his staff cobbled together, only one of them were considered a Top 10 class, according to Rivals.com.

Shaw’s approach to recruiting is very different from other schools, though. He places a much higher priority on loyalty and development than blanketing the country with offers.

“This is not meant to offend anybody, but I’m sure it will. I want the Stanford offers to be real,” Shaw told the Cardinal Sports Report’s Andy Drukarev. “I want them to hold weight. We give an offer to a kid, it’s an offer. It’s a real offer. There’s no time expiration on it. We’re not dangling it between you and three other guys (saying), ‘Hey, first one to jump gets it.’ We just don’t operate that way.

“We are slow and methodical. And some recruits and some parents don’t understand that. Because there have been guys, there are guys on our team right now, that we didn’t offer early, that we offered late, and it was a hurdle for us to get over. And what I typically say is, ‘I’m not going to offer you a scholarship until I know that I have that scholarship for you. Now, if somebody offered you three months before and you want to hold that against us? OK, that’s fine. But is that going to be a decision-maker for you?’

“Does it matter that you meet your wife a month later than you thought you should have? It doesn’t matter. Half this recruiting stuff is crap. It’s all crap. It’s all flashing lights, it’s all emotion. When it comes down to it…here’s what Stanford has to offer. Does it fit what you’re looking for? We cut through all the other stuff. Other people can talk, and that’s great. And some people out there are great recruiters. They’re a great recruiter at one school, become a great recruiter at another school. I have no problem with that.”

As every step of the recruiting process becomes more publicized due to social media, examples of recruits being showered with hundreds of recruiting letters and dozens of offers have become common place.

Stanford will never take that approach.

“So just because we want to be great in football, I don’t want it to be like we’re Johnny Appleseed throwing offers around,” Shaw said. “We offer, it’s backed because you have academics, you have high character, you are a good football player, we have a spot for you that we will wait for you to make your decision. That spot is yours, and it’s real. I understand nobody else operates that way, and I’m fine with that.”
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Would be interesting how his approach would be if he wasn't a Stanford grad coaching his alma mater with Ivy League standards...maybe in a state with less talent than California?...in a dog eat dog conference where you could finish top 15 in recruiting nationally but 7th in same conference? A school like?...I don't know...Tennessee? I believe that Shaw believes he's being noble and principled... He left out that he doesn't have a choice.
 
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Just because a method leads to wins doesn't mean it's right.
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That's cute. Really gave me a warm feeling inside.

While I don't want a bunch of convicts on our team, I sure as hell am not watching UT football to see our coach "show the world" what a moral man he is either.

As I said before, If Stanford can show that that way of recruiting can result in NC's, I'll jump right on that wagon too.....but understand, football is a pastime I watch for entertainment, not for "ethics in recruiting" lessons.
 
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True North Vol said:
How about this? This is an article on Stanford's recruiting methods. In my opinion what Shaw articulates gets to the heart of what is actually up for debate here, if we weren't distracted by one poster's self-righteous, black and white world view.


"David Shaw owns a 42-12 record as the head coach of the Stanford Cardinal.*It isn’t easy to win football games on “The Farm” because of the school’s stringent academic standards.

In the five recruiting classes Shaw and his staff cobbled together, only one of them were considered a Top 10 class, according to Rivals.com.

Shaw’s approach to recruiting is very different from other schools, though. He places a much higher priority on loyalty and development than blanketing the country with offers.

“This is not meant to offend anybody, but I’m sure it will. I want the Stanford offers to be real,” Shaw told the Cardinal Sports Report’s Andy Drukarev. “I want them to hold weight. We give an offer to a kid, it’s an offer. It’s a real offer. There’s no time expiration on it. We’re not dangling it between you and three other guys (saying), ‘Hey, first one to jump gets it.’ We just don’t operate that way.

“We are slow and methodical. And some recruits and some parents don’t understand that. Because there have been guys, there are guys on our team right now, that we didn’t offer early, that we offered late, and it was a hurdle for us to get over. And what I typically say is, ‘I’m not going to offer you a scholarship until I know that I have that scholarship for you. Now, if somebody offered you three months before and you want to hold that against us? OK, that’s fine. But is that going to be a decision-maker for you?’

“Does it matter that you meet your wife a month later than you thought you should have? It doesn’t matter. Half this recruiting stuff is crap. It’s all crap. It’s all flashing lights, it’s all emotion. When it comes down to it…here’s what Stanford has to offer. Does it fit what you’re looking for? We cut through all the other stuff. Other people can talk, and that’s great. And some people out there are great recruiters. They’re a great recruiter at one school, become a great recruiter at another school. I have no problem with that.”

As every step of the recruiting process becomes more publicized due to social media, examples of recruits being showered with hundreds of recruiting letters and dozens of offers have become common place.

Stanford will never take that approach.

“So just because we want to be great in football, I don’t want it to be like we’re Johnny Appleseed throwing offers around,” Shaw said. “We offer, it’s backed because you have academics, you have high character, you are a good football player, we have a spot for you that we will wait for you to make your decision. That spot is yours, and it’s real. I understand nobody else operates that way, and I’m fine with that.”
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So Stanford offers only 20-25 kids a year? BS.
 
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That Stanford thing is all they can do in an area where they can get away with it. But I wonder if Coach Shaw requires the same principled response of the players he offers? Does he offer players that are committed elsewhere? Do those players then renege on commitments to others schools to accept Stanford's? Of course we know that one from the last recruiting cycle. So they won't pull an offer, but they will accept a commitment from someone that reneges on one - and that's OK. I call BS in a lot of ways, but that one is really hypocritical.

All coaches sell. He's selling with those statements.
 
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That Stanford thing is all they can do in an area where they can get away with it. But I wonder if Coach Shaw requires the same principled response of the players he offers? Does he offer players that are committed elsewhere? Do those players then renege on commitments to others schools to accept Stanford's? Of course we know that one from the last recruiting cycle. So they won't pull an offer, but they will accept a commitment from someone that reneges on one - and that's OK. I call BS in a lot of ways, but that one is really hypocritical.

All coaches sell. He's selling with those statements.
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Lol... Yep, I call BS
 
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UTFootballFan said:
I think that article supports the poster to which you refer.
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No. It does not.

The difference is Shaw recognises there are different, legitimate ways to recruit. He isn't calling anyone a liar, shady or accusing them of taking advantage of teenagers.

He, obviously, prefers his own approach (though I agree it's doubtful he actually identifies his 25 recruits, offers them and then waits for the phone to ring)but he doesn't impune the character of people who don't agree with him.

For myself, I think there is a healthy middle way for Tennessee that values high character and outstanding skill. When I watch interviews with kids like Phillips, Dobbs, Hurd, Jones and even PW with his swag, I'm happy with the mix Butch is putting together.

I don't think these kids would exude the positive energy they do if the head coach was untrustworthy as 'he who shall not be named' suggests.
 
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butchna said:
Would be interesting how his approach would be if he wasn't a Stanford grad coaching his alma mater with Ivy League standards...maybe in a state with less talent than California?...in a dog eat dog conference where you could finish top 15 in recruiting nationally but 7th in same conference? A school like?...I don't know...Tennessee? I believe that Shaw believes he's being noble and principled... He left out that he doesn't have a choice.
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Excellent points... And all true.... Plus there's no way he's doing what he claims
 
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butchna said:
Would be interesting how his approach would be if he wasn't a Stanford grad coaching his alma mater with Ivy League standards...maybe in a state with less talent than California?...in a dog eat dog conference where you could finish top 15 in recruiting nationally but 7th in same conference? A school like?...I don't know...Tennessee? I believe that Shaw believes he's being noble and principled... He left out that he doesn't have a choice.
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Didn't Shaw "steal" a recruit from Vandy and Mason in this past class? Seems like he did, just don't remember for sure.
Successful coaches in the SEC have to recruit to win if they intend to keep their jobs. I'd bet that people that squall about "lying, credibility & principles" are no better than the coaches they are blasting in their own business lives. I had several bosses in my 40+ years of working that would chastise me about my language, attitude, etc. and brag about what good people they were and I was well aware of them stealing from the company we worked for and their infidelity in their marriage. I'd tell them I was glad I lived in a glass house and not a steel house like they did. Not sure if they understood.
 
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Guy with Stanford in his screenname but roots for the Vols speaks truth! :aggressive:
 
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butchna said:
guy with stanford in his screenname but roots for the vols speaks truth! :aggressive:
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gbo

Edit: Coincidentally, there has been a reasonable amount of support on campus recently to drop all athletics, especially football. Apparently the student-athlete population is too stupid and bringing the rest of the school down. Never gonna happen, but I thought it was interesting that a proposal like that would get hundreds of people backing it in a matter of days. Anyway, back to AK...
 
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StanfordVol said:
gbo

Edit: Coincidentally, there has been a reasonable amount of support on campus recently to drop all athletics, especially football. Apparently the student-athlete population is too stupid and bringing the rest of the school down. Never gonna happen, but I thought it was interesting that a proposal like that would get hundreds of people backing it in a matter of days. Anyway, back to AK...
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This cannot possibly be true. Coach only recruits the highest quality individuals. Both Academically and morally.

You sir MUST be a liar!

:eek:lol:
 
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