'14 TN WR Josh Malone (UT commit 12/4/13)

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Got any proof?
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I work in a Title I school. A large population of our student athletes come from similar enviornments and backgrounds. They don't magically bridge that four grade level reading deficit freshman year in Comp 101. They're passed along so they can play ball.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wow. Maybe some players actually have standards. Seems like you are kind of trivializing these events. You don't know how this is going to affect Malone. He may not want any part of FSU after knowing this info. FSU is not the only team on Malones list that puts guys into the NFL.

Last time I checked, Tennessee has put plenty of guys in the NFL. We have also put more all time greats in the NFL than FSU.
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Obviously if the rape case put him off Vandy then the Winston situation alone should've put him off of FSU.

My comment was more to counter the point that football players would not want to go to FSU because of the other incidents. Again lets be honest, how many of these kids would even consider going to school if there was a minor league football system.
 
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PA Vol said:
I work in a Title I school. A large population of our student athletes come from similar enviornments and backgrounds. They don't magically bridge that four grade level reading deficit freshman year in Comp 101. They're passed along so they can play ball.
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True. And they know they are, which is where the entitlement attitude develops. When that gets out of control is when everything crashes in.
 
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PA Vol said:
I work in a Title I school. A large population of our student athletes come from similar enviornments and backgrounds. They don't magically bridge that four grade level reading deficit freshman year in Comp 101. They're passed along so they can play ball.
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Ok so because you say this it is to be automatically believed and we can apply this information to EVERY major program without any official proof? Wow ok.
 
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volswillrise12 said:
I think everyone realizes that some of these shenanigans go on at these universities. I've heard things at UT through friends that have worked in academics. For every idiot football player that reads on an elementary school level you also have a Josh Dobbs type of kid that a lot of people would be proud to have as a son---an all-round great student and athlete. I don't know Josh Malone from Adam--might be a very intelligent guy but I'd say it would be pretty awesome to join some of the best players in the state to right the ship. Hopefully a few of those guys take advantage of the good education Tennessee can provide them.
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This could be worded better, but yeah.
 
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PA Vol said:
You seriously can't be this naive..
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PA

There are bad kids at every school but every school doesn't have that wide spread of stories for one professor to tell on one team. Maybe a careers worth of working at a school but that was very widespread on this team the way I read it.

That doesn't happen at all schools. Sorry but I am not naive
 
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BruinVol said:
PA

There are bad kids at every school but every school doesn't have that wide spread of stories for one professor to tell on one team. Maybe a careers worth of working at a school but that was very widespread on this team the way I read it.

That doesn't happen at all schools. Sorry but I am not naive
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That's not my point. I'm saying that all programs are guilty of either passing a kid undeservedly or giving them unfair "academic support."
 
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Things happen everywhere but to what degree is the difference. I guarantee you the type of behavior explained in that FSU article does not happen everywhere. It makes sense now why so many asst coaches jumped ship last year despite knowing the type of talent coming back. I wouldn't want to be around a HC and administration that approved of that behavior
 
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PA Vol said:
I work in a Title I school. A large population of our student athletes come from similar enviornments and backgrounds. They don't magically bridge that four grade level reading deficit freshman year in Comp 101. They're passed along so they can play ball.
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Close to 85% of schools in Tennessee qualify to be a Title 1 school. It's based on poverty level, not comprehension level.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Things happen everywhere but to what degree is the difference. I guarantee you the type of behavior explained in that FSU article does not happen everywhere. It makes sense now why so many asst coaches jumped ship last year despite knowing the type of talent coming back. I wouldn't want to be around a HC and administration that approved of that behavior
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Good post! That's the truth! Lots of players get help passing classes and unfair treatment. But, what was in this article is not the norm at all schools, and that's the point. Looks very bad at FSU! This is an extreme situation.
 
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PA Vol said:
There's an uncomfortably large correlation between the two.
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But based off of your quote, you claim that just because a student athlete comes from a title I school they will be passed along. I think your initial comment about what's going on at FSU was a little over assuming. If that's the case, we're looking at a potential collapse of a sport not seen since boxing in its prime.
 
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PA Vol said:
That's not my point. I'm saying that all programs are guilty of either passing a kid undeservedly or giving them unfair "academic support."
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Using your own situation as justification for every major program doing the same thing without any proof is borderline stupid.

I drive a 2011 Chevy Silverado 4x4 so every guy drives a Chevy Silverado. See? I can make illogical statements too.
 
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PA Vol said:
I work in a Title I school. A large population of our student athletes come from similar enviornments and backgrounds. They don't magically bridge that four grade level reading deficit freshman year in Comp 101. They're passed along so they can play ball.
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I feel ya PA. Some on here will argue any point, but I'm hearing ya.
 
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volamite86 said:
Close to 85% of schools in Tennessee qualify to be a Title 1 school. It's based on poverty level, not comprehension level.
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Yeah, and the state of Tennessee ranks amongst the worst in America in education too. There is a direct correlation between kids from less privlaged situations and grades.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Things happen everywhere but to what degree is the difference. I guarantee you the type of behavior explained in that FSU article does not happen everywhere. It makes sense now why so many asst coaches jumped ship last year despite knowing the type of talent coming back. I wouldn't want to be around a HC and administration that approved of that behavior
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NV31, this was the very first thing that I thought of when all of this surfaced. I have been thinking all year, "why did all of those coaches leave FSU with all of the talent they had coming back". I thought they would have a very average year due to the coaching turnover and it would spell the end for Jimbo...kind of like Dooley's horrendous coaching turnover his last year. Just made no sense, but now it does. They must have known something was going to come from all of this.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok so because you say this it is to be automatically believed and we can apply this information to EVERY major program without any official proof? Wow ok.
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BOT, As much as we would all like to believe stories like this are isolated to a few universities, they are not. If you are looking for proof other than anecdotal, then this article on Deadspin is not proof. I will tell from experience that it happens at other universities. I will say this and it may make me a "homer" but I believe some of these shenanigans have gone on at UT (esp. under Fulmer) but that CBJ is trying to change the culture a bit. But make no mistake, everyone of these players have grown up with a sense of entitlement and that it carries over to the classroom and started from a very early age. I was always a pretty good student, but I can tell you about a time that my high school coaches pulled me out of class for an entire week so that I could rehab my ankle to be ready to play in the state playoffs. A really cool thing when you are 16 years old, but in retrospect that game on Friday night in HS was more important than my progress academically. Or the times that I would skip out of school for lunch or to watch the ACC Bball tournament and come back really late only to have the principal usher me into class and be excused. I'm certain I could have gotten away with more but I was fortunate enough to have REALLY engaged parents and I was fearful of trouble at home LOL. Although my collegiate experience was not at a level (still D1) of FSU. We did get preferential treatment to other students. With the amount of money that is funneled into the universities and athletic programs these days I have to believe your head is in the sand if you really believe this is not possible at ANY school, let alone big time schools like FSU or even our beloved UT. I have known MANY players from the Majors and Fulmer eras and they did what they wanted, when they wanted. It is what it is, and there are so many great kids that get so much from the experience and roll through the program without causing any trouble that you shouldn't indite the entire group over a few. I'm not sure you will ever clean it up totally either because of all the money involved. I think the best you can expect from the staff is to continually manage this portion of it and be a friend to administration rather than an adversary. That means trying to hold players accountable at a higher level. My thought is that this is why there was such a strain between Faculty and program at UT a few years ago. I do believe some actionable items were put in place and the environment has improved. Time will tell. It is ultimately a disservice to the kids as well as the faculty for this crap to go on.:peace2:
 
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Malone will be at Clemson this weekend on an OV. There on the outside looking in, IMO. They also play The Citadel, so it should be a big time blowout.

If I'm Dabo, I'm letting Josh chill with Sammy and that Bryant kid.
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
Malone will be at Clemson this weekend on an OV. There on the outside looking in, IMO. They also play The Citadel, so it should be a big time blowout.

If I'm Dabo, I'm letting Josh chill with Sammy and that Bryant kid.
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I dont think Sammy is his kind of friend. Malone is a reserved young man.
 
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