'13 FL RB Derrick Henry (Bama commit)

[TideWarrior]

How are Glennon and DR highly overrated? I'd agree if you said Amerson was overrated.

DR works well against defenses that play poorly against the run or who do not have the speed to shut down the outside space. Doubt his ability to scramble would work that well with most SEC defense designed to stop the run. He got hyped up because he was in the Heisman talk and they were playing UA which helps the ratings with the hype.

Glennon is not as good as they hyped him up. Maybe on a better team with weapons like CP or JH. But he did not have any targets to go to and when he did some of his throws were rushed and had little poise in the pocket. The hype he is getting those things should have been noticable.

 

[VOLout8]

If Tidewarrior saw on the news a man robbed a not for profit charity while wearing a alabama hat he would commend him on his ability at making quick money.

If Tidewarrior saw a teenage boy kick a walker out from under an elderly lady but he had an alabama shirt on, he would applaud him for checking the strength of the walker for the lady.

If Tidewarrior thought Obama was an alabama fan he would esteem him highly for having 1 trillion dollars of deficit for each title alabama has won, plus this year's title.

All that to say, Tidewarrior is right about the starting 11. This is the best offense saban has put together at bama IMO. May not have the best offensive player he has had, but I think it is his best offensive unit.

 

[sanddune50]

I actually want Florida to lose to A&M. First off, a road loss will wear them out (actually same with close win), a situation they've never faced before they've played us before, to the best of my memory. Also, I want them to be totally disfunctional when they get to K'ville which a loss would cause at this point, IMO,

Let's face it, we've been snakebit by this team for 20 years, and they always seem to put their best game together for us. A win is all I care about, and I don't care how we get it. I think a broken Florida team give us a blow out win, that's what I want to see.

I don't. I would rather they win in a close one, continue to sturggle on offense and limp into Neyland the following week so we can take that ranking off of their hands.

 

[tim]

Glennon met a good defense and was exposed.

Put Glennon on UM's team and we may have seen a different ballgame last Saturday.

 

[VOLout8]

I don't. I would rather they win in a close one, continue to sturggle on offense and limp into Neyland the following week so we can take that ranking off of their hands.

I personally hope every SEC east team loses every game they can. I'd rather play for a SEC title then take the #24 off Florida's name.

 

[tim]

I don't. I would rather they win in a close one, continue to sturggle on offense and limp into Neyland the following week so we can take that ranking off of their hands.

I keep hearing this ranking talk. UF needs to lose as many SEC games as possible. The ranking will take care of itself with wins. Winning the Sec is goal number 1.

Also, how many times have we been ranked in the last several years when UF beat us? And our ranking had no bearing on their success.

 

[sanddune50]

Lets see under Saban.

The best QB and returning starter.

Best WR corps with depth under Saban. Yes no Julio but overall the deepest WR corps we have had.

The deepest at RB with Lacy, Yeldon, Hart, and Fowler. Yes no MI or TR but 4 deep vs 2 deep overall is better, because we saw what happenin 2010 when MI missed the first part of the season for the knee surgery and then TR went out from injury in the USC game for few games.

OL no question.

So where am I wrong here. Again overall starting 11 across the board better. May not have that TR or Julio type player but we also do not have to rely on one player to carry the team.

Can't stand Bama, and hate to say this, but Bama is going to be hard beat this year. Well coached, strong offense, and an always stiff defense against the run.

Only teams with a strong passing game will have a shot.

 

[TideWarrior]

Can't stand Bama, and hate to say this, but Bama is going to be hard beat this year. Well coached, strong offense, and an always stiff defense against the run.

Only teams with a strong passing game will have a shot.

Which is what makes UT a tough game. UA's top rival and in Knoxville already make it tough, but the ability to sling it should make it a very fun game to watch. IMO

Not taking anything away from LSU because it is early but Ark and UT both on the rd are huge games for UA and should be the toughest teams we face offensively. UT has the edge because of the OL where Ark will have more trouble protecting Wilson and giving him time. LSU on the road and with their D will be tough as well, but I am not sold on their O.

 

[LynxVol]

DR works well against defenses that play poorly against the run or who do not have the speed to shut down the outside space. Doubt his ability to scramble would work that well with most SEC defense designed to stop the run. He got hyped up because he was in the Heisman talk and they were playing UA which helps the ratings with the hype.

Glennon is not as good as they hyped him up. Maybe on a better team with weapons like CP or JH. But he did not have any targets to go to and when he did some of his throws were rushed and had little poise in the pocket. The hype he is getting those things should have been noticable.

So, this is kind of contradictory. I asked you how Glennon was overrated. Your stating Glennon is overrated because he doesn't have decent WRs and he was hurried a bunch of times? Any QB facing UT last Friday would have trouble. I can for once give our D a lot of credit for getting to the QB (we haven't done that in a long time on a consistent basis).

Long story short, it sounds like your concluding Glennon is overrated because he doesn't have the personnel to make him look good. I don't think that's fair at all. He can only do so much. To me, it looked like he could make all the throws, he created a few things when plays broke down, and he even created a couple plays with his legs when he had to.

 

[Jhall1120]

Can't stand Bama, and hate to say this, but Bama is going to be hard beat this year. Well coached, strong offense, and an always stiff defense against the run.

Only teams with a strong passing game will have a shot.

I see what you did there. :good!:

 

[sanddune50]

I keep hearing this ranking talk. UF needs to lose as many SEC games as possible. The ranking will take care of itself with wins. Winning the Sec is goal number 1.

Also, how many times have we been ranked in the last several years when UF beat us? And our ranking had no bearing on their success.

What success? 2010 7-5(4-4) & 7-6(3-5)?

I personally think the ranking would be more of a sign that Tennessee is back to being relevant. And I could also argue Tennessee beating Florida head to head and not worrying about other teams to do the job for them could go a long ways in winning the East.

 

[tim]

What success? 2010 7-5(4-4) & 7-6(3-5)?

I personally think the ranking would be more of a sign that Tennessee is back to being relevant. And I could also argue Tennessee beating Florida head to head and not worrying about other teams to do the job for them could go a long ways in winning the East.

They've beat us 7 in a row. 2 championships. Id call that success.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Lets see under Saban.

The best QB and returning starter.

Best WR corps with depth under Saban. Yes no Julio but overall the deepest WR corps we have had.

The deepest at RB with Lacy, Yeldon, Hart, and Fowler. Yes no MI or TR but 4 deep vs 2 deep overall is better, because we saw what happenin 2010 when MI missed the first part of the season for the knee surgery and then TR went out from injury in the USC game for few games.

OL no question.

So where am I wrong here. Again overall starting 11 across the board better. May not have that TR or Julio type player but we also do not have to rely on one player to carry the team.

There's no star power to this offense. Yeldon may end up as a star but right now you have no star power. There's nobody on your offense outside of the OL that you can say I know he's going to give us x amount of yards game in and game out. You'll be lucky to score 24 points against a good team.

Your WRs aren't scaring anybody nor is McCarron.

How deep really is that RB corp? Yeldon, Lacy, Fowler? Are they better than TR, Lacy, and Fowler from last year?

I could see if you had any kind of star power but this team you have nothing outside of the O-line blocking downhill.

 

[The Breakerboy]

So, this is kind of contradictory. I asked you how Glennon was overrated. Your stating Glennon is overrated because he doesn't have decent WRs and he was hurried a bunch of times? Any QB facing UT last Friday would have trouble. I can for once give our D a lot of credit for getting to the QB (we haven't done that in a long time on a consistent basis).

Long story short, it sounds like your concluding Glennon is overrated because he doesn't have the personnel to make him look good. I don't think that's fair at all. He can only do so much. To me, it looked like he could make all the throws, he created a few things when plays broke down, and he even created a couple plays with his legs when he had to.

Glennon is a better QB than anybody on his roster. But you know Bama fans don't know what real QBs look like anyways.

 

[sanddune50]

Which is what makes UT a tough game. UA's top rival and in Knoxville already make it tough, but the ability to sling it should make it a very fun game to watch. IMO

Not taking anything away from LSU because it is early but Ark and UT both on the rd are huge games for UA and should be the toughest teams we face offensively. UT has the edge because of the OL where Ark will have more trouble protecting Wilson and giving him time. LSU on the road and with their D will be tough as well, but I am not sold on their O.

Yeah new QB in Mettenberger. Not sure how this will affect LSUs chances in several games with a first year starter. Didn't see the game against North Texas, but I did hear a lot of the talking heads weren't very impressed. I'll be interested to see how he looks this week against Washington(stiffer opponent)

 

[tim]

What success? 2010 7-5(4-4) & 7-6(3-5)?

I personally think the ranking would be more of a sign that Tennessee is back to being relevant. And I could also argue Tennessee beating Florida head to head and not worrying about other teams to do the job for them could go a long ways in winning the East.

And as for the head to head stuff. We lost to UF in 07 and still won the east so yes they need to lose as often as possible.

 

[VAVolsFan2009]

So, this is kind of contradictory. I asked you how Glennon was overrated. Your stating Glennon is overrated because he doesn't have decent WRs and he was hurried a bunch of times? Any QB facing UT last Friday would have trouble. I can for once give our D a lot of credit for getting to the QB (we haven't done that in a long time on a consistent basis).

Long story short, it sounds like your concluding Glennon is overrated because he doesn't have the personnel to make him look good. I don't think that's fair at all. He can only do so much. To me, it looked like he could make all the throws, he created a few things when plays broke down, and he even created a couple plays with his legs when he had to.

Glennon has had NFL scouts checking him out for a while. He is well thought of and should go early in the draft. His arm strength, vision, decision making, and toughness are his biggest assets. Vols just had too much talent on defense and made his day very long.

 

[sanddune50]

They've beat us 7 in a row. 2 championships. Id call that success.

I guess I don't refer to the word several as 7 years.

And while I get what you are saying about rankings taking care of themselves, I don't know of any Vol fan that would be very happy remaining unranked if we were to beat Florida. Been too long, time to get Tennessee's name back on the board.

 

[TideWarrior]

So, this is kind of contradictory. I asked you how Glennon was overrated. Your stating Glennon is overrated because he doesn't have decent WRs and he was hurried a bunch of times? Any QB facing UT last Friday would have trouble. I can for once give our D a lot of credit for getting to the QB (we haven't done that in a long time on a consistent basis).

Long story short, it sounds like your concluding Glennon is overrated because he doesn't have the personnel to make him look good. I don't think that's fair at all. He can only do so much. To me, it looked like he could make all the throws, he created a few things when plays broke down, and he even created a couple plays with his legs when he had to.

To be a high rated QB you have to produce. Without stats and also have them against good competition how does one become highly rated?

Potential or what could be does not equal anything just an opinion. Saying Glennon is a top QB because if he had this or that or played with this team or that one is just speculation no different than saying Henry will be a beast as a RB in college. So what has he done against good teams in the past that has prompted such high regard or is it based on what potential is there?

In my opinion he was hyped up based on his last 3 performances. Mostly because of the Maryland game where he basically that for NCSU. A solid game against CU but they were over rated last year and a solid win over Louisville. But most of the season did not look good. Struggled in games. Preseason hype but I also do not think there should be any preseason poll. Again just my opinion.

 

[RM20]

How are Glennon and DR highly overrated? I'd agree if you said Amerson was overrated.

i agree. Amerson doesnt have recovery speed and UT exposed him, that was the knock on him coming out of HS, he does have good ball skills and knows how to bait the average QB, main reason he has so many picks last year. I see teams like FSU and Clemson going after him especially deep. I dont think the other teams really have anyone to give him fits which will make him look like he is back to being a shutdown corner.

 

[sanddune50]

And as for the head to head stuff. We lost to UF in 07 and still won the east so yes they need to lose as often as possible.

Which was their fault for losing too many games. We beat who we are suppose to beat and Florida won't be in the conversation. Besides I'm more worried about UGA and USCe.

 

[hep]

Glennon is a very good QB. One of the best we'll face this year (Murray, McCarron, Franklin the others). He made some difficult throws and never missed an open receiver. We put a lot of pressure on him and he began forcing many throws.

 

[tim]

Which was their fault for losing too many games. We beat who we are suppose to beat and Florida won't be in the conversation. Besides I'm more worried about UGA and USCe.

I agree on the UGa and USC comment. Im hoping UGa drops theirs against Mizzou too.

 

[PaulieWalnuts]

I would take the 2010 offense over this offense every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

PS - You don't need 4 RBs when you have TR and MI. Not to mention Lacey was on that 2010 team anyways.

 

[The Breakerboy]

i agree. Amerson doesnt have recovery speed and UT exposed him, that was the knock on him coming out of HS, he does have good ball skills and knows how to bait the average QB, main reason he has so many picks last year. I see teams like FSU and Clemson going after him especially deep. I dont think the other teams really have anyone to give him fits which will make him look like he is back to being a shutdown corner.

He has some bad technical flaws too. He doesn't even use angles well. Really thought he would be better but you know WRU will make a good DB look average.