'13 FL ATH Lemond Johnson (UT Commit 12/16/12)

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allvol_12 said:
He had what 3 years? Yeah, those guys aren't very good.
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Johnson, Maggit, Coleman, Couch, McNeil and Randolph were all recruited to play the 4-3. They were also all sophomores or younger. Teague, Waggner, Lathers, Walls, and others weren't his guys so they shouldn't be counted on a recruiting scale. Dooley's issue, as has been stated--a million times--was coaching/developing players. At that, he blew.
 
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LynxVol said:
Good, so maybe your argument should be against his coaching, not his recruiting. He was recruiting just fine.

Winning allows you to get the elite talents at UT. This isn't Louisiana, Florida, Bama, or GA where talent grows on trees. The talent you keep begging for. We land them here and there, but winning gets them here. JMO, of course.
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Not meaning to just jump in and interrupt, but Tennessee doesn't exactly capitalize on the little bit of elite talent that it has in state. Most elite in state players do not go to UT. It's sad, but definitely true.
 
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People need to let that Bourque thing go because you were gonna be disappointed anyways. His best position wasn't RB.
 
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Good grief guys. You all seem knowledgeable, it baffles me. Not every player he ever recruited is a badass 5 star. But he pulled enough stars, or play makers, to finish top 15 every year. After terrible, underwhelming seasons. Trying to take credit away from him because he didnt offer every player in the espn top 100 or every player you thought he should doesnt mean he couldnt recruit. Deep down you KNOW he could recruit. I know he couldn't coach em up and supremely disappointed us every year when we got our hopes up so high (because of the roster), but facts is facts. Dooley was a good recruiter.
 
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Pope John Vol VI said:
Good grief guys. You all seem knowledgeable, it baffles me. Not every player he ever recruited is a badass 5 star. But he pulled enough stars, or play makers, to finish top 15 every year. After terrible, underwhelming seasons. Trying to take credit away from him because he didnt offer every player in the espn top 100 or every player you thought he should doesnt mean he couldnt recruit. Deep down you KNOW he could recruit. I know he couldn't coach em up and supremely disappointed us every year when we got our hopes up so high (because of the roster), but facts is facts. Dooley was a good recruiter.
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Everyone likes to mention he pulled in top 15 classes. That's not all that good in the SEC.
 
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Pope John Vol VI said:
I know he couldn't coach em up and supremely disappointed us every year when we got our hopes up so high (because of the roster)
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Bingo. People were so tremendously let down this year because of the improved roster. Yes, expectations were probably a little too high, but coaching let us down more so than recruiting.
 
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PA Vol said:
Crying to daddy in Louisiana, starting at USC, loving the white gurlz at Arky, or being recruited over at Texas.
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That's 3 LBs lost in one 2 years. We needed around 10 LBs in two classes.

Plus only 1 RB in two years. While UGA pulls Gurley and Marshall, Florida pulls Matt Jones, USCe pulls Mike Davis and the other young back(Wilds is his last name I think), Bama with Yeldon and Drake, Auburn with Dyer after their first year. The evidence is there against him.
 
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Hate to be that guy but y'all need to take this elsewhere. Getting tired of seeing Lemond's thread bumped to see people argue about a guy who doesn't mean a damn to any of us anymore.
 
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babyavi said:
Why don't you get on Butch's team and start recruiting. I'm waiting.
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So when I use facts you want to pull the oh why don't you coach bs post I see. Funny guy, when you learn more about the game maybe you can have decent convo about football.

BTW: I think I would be helluva recruiter. :)
 
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The Breakerboy said:
That's 3 LBs lost in one 2 years. We needed around 10 LBs in two classes.

Plus only 1 RB in two years. While UGA pulls Gurley and Marshall, Florida pulls Matt Jones, USCe pulls Mike Davis and the other young back(Wilds is his last name I think), Bama with Yeldon and Drake, Auburn with Dyer after their first year. The evidence is there against him.
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I don't know why you're so mad about the RB situation when you already hit the nail on the head in one of your previous posts. Not having the position coach screwed us. That was a huge coaching blunder but doesn't change anything. Chaney's offense and CHH's apparent lack of progression didn't help, either.

Dawson, Santos, Peters, Maggitt, Johnson, Harris and maybe that LB that had signed with the one Mississippi school (he had liked Sirmon and we were gaining ground) would've made for a good corps to build around. An upgrade from previous years. Losing games killed us here.
 
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PA Vol said:
I don't know why you're so mad about the RB situation when you already hit the nail on the head in one of your previous posts. Not having the position coach screwed us. That was a huge coaching blunder but doesn't change anything. Chaney's offense and CHH's apparent lack of progression didn't help, either.

Dawson, Santos, Peters, Maggitt, Johnson, Harris and maybe that LB that had signed with the one Mississippi school (he had liked Sirmon and we were gaining ground) would've made for a good corps to build around. An upgrade from previous years. Losing games killed us here.
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We should've been after more than the guys we lost in the first place at LB. We didn't have any good Lbs when Dooley arrived. What did he think 3vlbs a year would do it?
 
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The Breakerboy said:
We should've been after more than the guys we lost in the first place at LB. We didn't have any good Lbs when Dooley arrived. What did he think 3vlbs a year would do it?
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I can't answer that. But we needed help everywhere, especially on the Lines. What did you want him to do, take ten LBs and only a handful of linemen? What about your secondary? Any coaching staff would've been hamstringed by the numbers and our lack of depth across the board.
 
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Dooley wasn't the elite recruiter like Kiffin, Hoke, or Meyer. He wasn't a bad one, either. Had he actually won some games you would've seen his classes fall consistently in the top 7 each year. We could do worse.

He sucked as a coach, as an evaluator of coaching ability, and seems to have gave up after the Kentucky loss. Thankfully, he's gone.
 
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