'13 FL ATH Lemond Johnson (UT Commit 12/16/12)

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VolinArizona said:
I liked Dooley as a recruiter but the above is probably untrue.
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It's true, with the addition of Dante Phillips during the summer it jumped last years class into the top 15. Made 3 straight top 15 classes by Dooley & this years likely would have been top 15 also.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
It's true, with the addition of Dante Phillips during the summer it jumped last years class into the top 15. Made 3 straight top 15 classes by Dooley & this years likely would have been top 15 also.
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Those classes should have been better.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
It's true, with the addition of Dante Phillips during the summer it jumped last years class into the top 15. Made 3 straight top 15 classes by Dooley & this years likely would have been top 15 also.
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I truly doubt CDD would've taken this 2013 class into the Top 15. We had a lot of under the radar type of players that aren't normally liked by Rivals, 247, etc. JMHO
 
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USMC_0311 said:
I truly doubt CDD would've taken this 2013 class into the Top 15. We had a lot of under the radar type of players that aren't normally liked by Rivals, 247, etc. JMHO
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Granted the 2013 class wasn't looking good, we can't pass judgement based on that. He didn't finish the class, so we'll never know. But, he developed the reputation of being of able to close strong. Dooley was very good in the in-home visits and in front of parents. I will not and have not bashed Dooley on recruiting. That was one of the few parts of the job he did relatively well. He just sucked in the state of TN.
 
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Dooley wasn't going to flip any prospects if he had finished this class off. We wouldn't be about to flip Lawson either. Yeah he liked Sunseri but I doubt he would've pulled him. What other high profile guys would he pull that we lost out on? North, Green, JRM, Carr, Koehler, Vereen and Harris were going to be his high profile guys. We need DBs but he was losing both high profile in-state guys to out of state programs. He lost Kam Miles and I didn't see anyone on the horizon that would've helped fill the void. No one wanted to play for a loser like Dooley. As soon as Butch got here a completely different level athlete were started to be offered. Especially on the edge(offensive and defensive). Dooley was terrible and I hate I supported that clown for as long as I did.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Dooley wasn't going to flip any prospects if he had finished this class off. We wouldn't be about to flip Lawson either. Yeah he liked Sunseri but I doubt he would've pulled him. What other high profile guys would he pull that we lost out on? North, Green, JRM, Carr, Koehler, Vereen and Harris were going to be his high profile guys. We need DBs but he was losing both high profile in-state guys to out of state programs. He lost Kam Miles and I didn't see anyone on the horizon that would've helped fill the void. No one wanted to play for a loser like Dooley. As soon as Butch got here a completely different level athlete were started to be offered. Especially on the edge(offensive and defensive). Dooley was terrible and I hate I supported that clown for as long as I did.
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Lol. He lost Kam because he was getting fired. Think that would have been a little different if the staff had stayed. Nevertheless, you're making assumptions. We won't know how he finished the class because he's not here. Also, don't forget about Coley. Dooley and Hinshaw had something going there.

I like the offers CBJ has made since he got here, no doubt.
 
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3rd year in and he hadn't addressed needs well at all. His classes were mediocre for the SEC man. He was not getting it done. Also adding Coley would've helped our WR corps but what about our biggest problem? The defensive side of the ball. Did not like the make up of this class at all.
 
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The talent on the defensive side of the wasn't great. However, he brought in guys like Bonner and Gray and McNeil to help out the secondary. He also had Coleman. I mean, to put the blame of the defense on the talent and Dooley is a little far-fetched. Sunseri sucked. You've preached about that already. Don't back-track now.

Again, say what you want about his 2013 class, but it's all assumption and obviously premature.
 
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LynxVol said:
The talent on the defensive side of the wasn't great. However, he brought in guys like Bonner and Gray and McNeil to help out the secondary. He also had Coleman. I mean, to put the blame of the defense on the talent and Dooley is a little far-fetched. Sunseri sucked. You've preached about that already. Don't back-track now.

Again, say what you want about his 2013 class, but it's all assumption and obviously premature.
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You've named 4 dbs in 2-3 years. Do you see a problem here? His juco Defensive guys didn't pan out. Where are the impact defensive guys? Dooley should be blamed for the defense like right now.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You've named 4 dbs in 2-3 years. Do you see a problem here? His juco Defensive guys didn't pan out. Where are the impact defensive guys? Dooley should be blamed for the defense like right now.
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At the end of the day, all we needed was a serviceable defense this past year. You could've chalked up wins against MSU, UGA, Mizzou, and UF. We're sitting pretty and talking BCS bowl possibly.
 
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LynxVol said:
At the end of the day, all we needed was a serviceable defense this past year. You could've chalked up wins against MSU, UGA, Mizzou, and UF. We're sitting pretty and talking BCS bowl possibly.
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That doesn't excuse his lack of playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. I personally want a real UT defense that's loaded. Don't think he was recruiting for that. He wanted and recruited only mediocre/good players at best. While other schools in the SEC are in on difference makers year in and year out. And a serviceable defense versus Florida is debatable in a win. FSU got gutted just like us late. LSU couldn't stop their pound game late either. Recruiting is the first battle you win though as a coach. And Dooley was getting his behind handed to him on the recruiting trail. And this was before the reports and articles came out.

SN: UGA wasn't just going to be a win with a serviceable defense. Their offense was better than ours.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
That doesn't excuse his lack of playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. I personally want a real UT defense that's loaded. Don't think he was recruiting for that. He wanted and recruited only mediocre/good players at best. While other schools in the SEC are in on difference makers year in and year out. And a serviceable defense versus Florida is debatable in a win. FSU got gutted just like us late. LSU couldn't stop their pound game late either. Recruiting is the first battle you win though as a coach. And Dooley was getting his behind handed to him on the recruiting trail. And this was before the reports and articles came out.

SN: UGA wasn't just going to be a win with a serviceable defense. Their offense was better than ours.
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Kids don't have signs around their necks that say playmaker. He recruited pretty well and we all thought so at the time. The fact that they didn't have an impact you can blame on coaching.
 
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Pope John Vol VI said:
Kids don't have signs around their necks that say playmaker. He recruited pretty well and we all thought so at the time. The fact that they didn't have an impact you can blame on coaching.
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You have your opinion and I have mine. The other classes had guys in them that scream this kid will make plays. Our class was hoping we stole a prospect or two. A guy like Maggitt's HS film was much different than any other front 7 guy we recruited. Kinda funny that when he was healthy he was the closest thing to a playmaker we had. We all didn't think he recruited top notch either. YOU may have thought that but we all didn't.
 
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LynxVol said:
Lol. He lost Kam because he was getting fired. Think that would have been a little different if the staff had stayed. Nevertheless, you're making assumptions. We won't know how he finished the class because he's not here. Also, don't forget about Coley. Dooley and Hinshaw had something going there.

I like the offers CBJ has made since he got here, no doubt.
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He lost Kam because Kam was just waiting on an offer from A&M. IMO UT was his backup plan. The worst part about it is A&M got the other Cam too!
 
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Teeman said:
He lost Kam because Kam was just waiting on an offer from A&M. IMO UT was his backup plan. The worst part about it is A&M got the other Cam too!
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I think that is what is going to make it so tough to recruit in TX now. They don't have to leave the stat now and can play in the SEC. Not really anything you can flash at them to make them leave. imo
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You have your opinion and I have mine. The other classes had guys in them that scream this kid will make plays. Our class was hoping we stole a prospect or two. A guy like Maggitt's HS film was much different than any other front 7 guy we recruited. Kinda funny that when he was healthy he was the closest thing to a playmaker we had. We all didn't think he recruited top notch either. YOU may have thought that but we all didn't.
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So Maggitt looked like a play maker in high school, but he hasn't done much for us outside of a couple plays, injuries or no. I'm gonna say 95% of the players we recruit look like play makers in high school, because that's what big time college football recruits. The fact they don't look like it after they get here was the problem. Not the recruiting.
 
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Pope John Vol VI said:
That's not recruiting....that's coaching. How many big 12 teams' classes after Texas and maybe Oklahoma were ahead of ours?
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I am talking recruiting. My point was he was trying to get the best athletes on defense. He wanted all his playmakers on offense and as we all saw with our defense that is exactly what we had.
 
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Pope John Vol VI said:
So Maggitt looked like a play maker in high school, but he hasn't done much for us outside of a couple plays, injuries or no. I'm gonna say 95% of the players we recruit look like play makers in high school, because that's what big time college football recruits. The fact they don't look like it after they get here was the problem. Not the recruiting.
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Maybe they look like playmakers to you. To a few other guys on here and coaches they don't. There were kids we went after that you could tell from the jump they wouldn't help us out. But you can blame coaching because they recruited these kids. Certain kids should've never been offered to play for UT. You've never had turf toe if you think it's easy to hold your ground and defeat a block with a toe injury. Also if your style of play depends on speed you're jacked up when trying to explode off the ball. But like I said we may turn on the film and see two different things. You see 95% where I see maybe 65% at best.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Maybe they look like playmakers to you. To a few other guys on here and coaches they don't. There were kids we went after that you could tell from the jump they wouldn't help us out. But you can blame coaching because they recruited these kids. Certain kids should've never been offered to play for UT. You've never had turf toe if you think it's easy to hold your ground and defeat a block with a toe injury. Also if your style of play depends on speed you're jacked up when trying to explode off the ball. But like I said we may turn on the film and see two different things. You see 95% where I see maybe 65% at best.
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Forget 2013. From the 2011 and 2012 classes, which guys do you think weren't SEC level players? Who are all these guys that were not good?

Because when I scroll through those classes, I don't see many guys that were bad pick-ups. Particularly keeping in mind that a lot of those kids haven't gotten the chance to play their best football yet.

For me, I didn't like desperation adding Bourque, I didn't like dropping Cross for Hill, and I hated losing Peters. Other than that, I don't really have any complaints with the 2012 class.

2011 - I didn't like the Izzy Lanier offer because he clearly couldn't hack it in the classroom. I would have preferred to land a more highly rated lineman than Posey, but we'll see what he does the next couple years. And I didn't care for the Tom Smith offer because he wasn't getting love from any of the big time schools in FL.
 
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USMC_0311 said:
I truly doubt CDD would've taken this 2013 class into the Top 15. We had a lot of under the radar type of players that aren't normally liked by Rivals, 247, etc. JMHO
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Dooley was going to land North, Green, & Koehler then he always grabbed 1-2 more in Jan. that we didn't think we had a shot at. Our class was sitting at 17th I think before Dooley was fired & all the commitments backed off.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
Dooley was going to land North, Green, & Koehler then he always grabbed 1-2 more in Jan. that we didn't think we had a shot at. Our class was sitting at 17th I think before Dooley was fired & all the commitments backed off.
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Do you think we still have an legit shot at all 3 guys?
 
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