'12 JUCO DB Otis Jacobs (A&M signee)

[KoachKletus]

Its just incredible to me that we are 3 recruiting classes into this process and are still relying on the potential immediate impacts of true freshman and JUCOs. I mean no offense to Jacobs, the guy is obviously a serious upgrade for this football team, I just long for the day when we won't see some of these freshman until they are 2 or 3 years into the program...

In reality, this is CDD's second class. He was hired two weeks before the 2010 NSD. He could and should be given credit for saving some of the 2010 commits but in all fairness, it really was not his class. His to save yes, but not his recruits.

 

[thebjd]

In reality, this is CDD's second class. He was hired two weeks before the 2010 NSD. He could and should be given credit for saving some of the 2010 commits but in all fairness, it really was not his class. His to save yes, but not his recruits.

That class would have been a top three class but might not have included Hunter and Rogers and would not have included Stone.

 

[VolFromNashville]

Its just incredible to me that we are 3 recruiting classes into this process and are still relying on the potential immediate impacts of true freshman and JUCOs. I mean no offense to Jacobs, the guy is obviously a serious upgrade for this football team, I just long for the day when we won't see some of these freshman until they are 2 or 3 years into the program...

Yeah I hear you there. But it's the reality of the program at the moment. I think we're getting there though. I don't think the LBs we recruit will see the field for a while. Same with the OL (If we do indeed take one this class). They won't play for a year or two. Unless they are absolute studs like Humphries for example.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

In reality, this is CDD's second class. He was hired two weeks before the 2010 NSD. He could and should be given credit for saving some of the 2010 commits but in all fairness, it really was not his class. His to save yes, but not his recruits.

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

 

[amazingGRACE]

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

Lol how can you even say Dooley had time? He literally had two weeks to try and piece together what he could..

And we have barely a handful of players left from Lane's lone signing class.

He really left us in good shape.. /sarcasm

 

[JAEvans24]

Nice

 

[PermaVol]

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

Hmm.. I honestly would love to hear about this lemonade.

Was it his 7-6 record with a team that had around 6-8 NFL players on it, including one of the best players to ever wear Orange? How about the fact that only 4-5 players are left from his 2009 recruiting class, none of which were major contributors in 2010.

Remove your lips from his butt dude.

 

[tallshortvol]

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

Are you kidding me? Kiffin also had 2 1st round draft picks including the best defensive back in the nation on his squad. Also, fulmer's squads always had talent, he just didn't do a good job of getting that talent to work on the field.

It amazes me people lose track of these facts after only a few years.

 

[amazingGRACE]

Hmm.. I honestly would love to hear about this lemonade.

Was it his 7-6 record with a team that had around 6-8 NFL players on it, including one of the best players to ever wear Orange? How about the fact that only 4-5 players are left from his 2009 recruiting class, none of which were major contributors in 2010.

Remove your lips from his tip dude.

Fify

 

[vol2013]

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

So much failure in this post. First off, last year really was dooley's first recruiting class. Yes, he was gift wrapped a top ten class, but this does not change the fact that he held the class together, he did not recruit it. Also, this top ten that you claim he was gift wrapped were players that were evaluated by kiffen,which poses two problems. First of all we saw kiffens ability to evaluate talent in that 2009 class, which was ranked by rivals as the biggest bust. While I will give him credit that the second class was better, I still doubt it will ever be looked at as a top ten class in retrospect. To this point the only true SEC caliber players from that class appears to be Bray, Rogers, Hunter, and Rivera. Now hopefully some other players from that class will develop to this caliber, but right now those are the only players that would garner any attention on a top SEC team. The second problem with this players being recruited by kiffen is that they were evaluated and recruited to fit Kiffen's system, not dooley's system.

To your second point, if you knew anything about recruiting you would know that Dooley really could not shop for his own groceries as you put it. Recruiting is about developing relationships players and their families. This is impossible to do with only two weeks until national signing day. So the only shopping he could really do is with players that kiffen had already been recruiting, and players that did not really have any offers anywhere.

To your third point, lets look at there first years in knoxville:

2009

QB: Jonathan Crompton (fifth round draft pick and current member of the washington redskins)
RB: Montario Hardesty (2nd round draft pick)
WR's: Included one player that has made quite the name for himself with the raiders this year, and another one that played in the preseason.
TE's: A fourth round draft pick that has seen playing time with the buccaneers.
Offensive line: While Jaques Mclendon and Chris Scott were the only ones of this group that had pro potential, it was a veteran group. The importance of this cannot be understated, just ask Lou Holtz. He was quoted as saying during his coaching days that you can get away with recruiting average offensive lineman as long as they stick around for five years.
Defensive Line: This unit consists of a first round draft pick, Ben Martin prior to injury, as well as Brown and walker who were two serviceable sec upper class linemen.
Secondary: A top ten NFL draft pick at safety Pwag, Brent Vinson, and Rogan

Derek Dooley 2010

QB: Matt Simms and Tyler Bray: While both crompton and Simms had there struggles at tennessee, simms will never come close to seeing an NFL roster. Bray did step in later in the season and outperform clausen. However, all but one of Dooley's loses were with Simms as QB
RB: Tauren Poole: A serviceable back at best that if drafted at all it will be at the tail end of the draft.
TE: Same as Kiffen
OL: Very young offensive line consisting of three freshmen and two sophomores.
Wr's: Same as Kiffin
Dline: Malik Jackson was added to this unit, and really stepped it up and played well towards the end of the season. However, overall the Dline took a step back in talent losing an NFL first rounder and Ben Martin for the season.
Secondary: Loss of Eric Berry hurt this unit. However, it did see Janzen Jackson step up and Brewer be a solid contributor. Though this was cancelled out by the fact that any option at corner back was a step down from rogan and vinson the year before.

Conclusion: The only area where it can even be argued that Dooley had more talent then kiffin is at the QB position. So to keep with your analogy, Kiffen was handed a jar already half full of orange juice, while Dooley was handed and empty one. Kiffin took his half filled pitcher and finished 7-6, while Dooley took his empty pitcher and finished 6-7.

 

[Escape Goat]

Tl,dr

 

[USMC_0311]

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

I bet your one of those guys that wish Kitten was still here. Not me. If he was, then UT would be in an even more of a mess. Look at what he did in his first year...Yes, I give it to you that he could recruit...but he was more focused on finding recruits/ premadonas that had "stars". He didn't care about UT. Going back to Dooley, I was on his side or drinking his "Dool-Aid" until the Kentucky game. The way we lost is unexeceptable. But we also must look at what he inherited...A MESS!!

 

[PowerWookie]

So much failure in this post. First off, last year really was dooley's first recruiting class. Yes, he was gift wrapped a top ten class, but this does not change the fact that he held the class together, he did not recruit it. Also, this top ten that you claim he was gift wrapped were players that were evaluated by kiffen,which poses two problems. First of all we saw kiffens ability to evaluate talent in that 2009 class, which was ranked by rivals as the biggest bust. While I will give him credit that the second class was better, I still doubt it will ever be looked at as a top ten class in retrospect. To this point the only true SEC caliber players from that class appears to be Bray, Rogers, Hunter, and Rivera. Now hopefully some other players from that class will develop to this caliber, but right now those are the only players that would garner any attention on a top SEC team. The second problem with this players being recruited by kiffen is that they were evaluated and recruited to fit Kiffen's system, not dooley's system.

To your second point, if you knew anything about recruiting you would know that Dooley really could not shop for his own groceries as you put it. Recruiting is about developing relationships players and their families. This is impossible to do with only two weeks until national signing day. So the only shopping he could really do is with players that kiffen had already been recruiting, and players that did not really have any offers anywhere.

To your third point, lets look at there first years in knoxville:

2009

QB: Jonathan Crompton (fifth round draft pick and current member of the washington redskins)
RB: Montario Hardesty (2nd round draft pick)
WR's: Included one player that has made quite the name for himself with the raiders this year, and another one that played in the preseason.
TE's: A fourth round draft pick that has seen playing time with the buccaneers.
Offensive line: While Jaques Mclendon and Chris Scott were the only ones of this group that had pro potential, it was a veteran group. The importance of this cannot be understated, just ask Lou Holtz. He was quoted as saying during his coaching days that you can get away with recruiting average offensive lineman as long as they stick around for five years.
Defensive Line: This unit consists of a first round draft pick, Ben Martin prior to injury, as well as Brown and walker who were two serviceable sec upper class linemen.
Secondary: A top ten NFL draft pick at safety Pwag, Brent Vinson, and Rogan

Derek Dooley 2010

QB: Matt Simms and Tyler Bray: While both crompton and Simms had there struggles at tennessee, simms will never come close to seeing an NFL roster. Bray did step in later in the season and outperform clausen. However, all but one of Dooley's loses were with Simms as QB
RB: Tauren Poole: A serviceable back at best that if drafted at all it will be at the tail end of the draft.
TE: Same as Kiffen
OL: Very young offensive line consisting of three freshmen and two sophomores.
Wr's: Same as Kiffin
Dline: Malik Jackson was added to this unit, and really stepped it up and played well towards the end of the season. However, overall the Dline took a step back in talent losing an NFL first rounder and Ben Martin for the season.
Secondary: Loss of Eric Berry hurt this unit. However, it did see Janzen Jackson step up and Brewer be a solid contributor. Though this was cancelled out by the fact that any option at corner back was a step down from rogan and vinson the year before.

Conclusion: The only area where it can even be argued that Dooley had more talent then kiffin is at the QB position. So to keep with your analogy, Kiffen was handed a jar already half full of orange juice, while Dooley was handed and empty one. Kiffin took his half filled pitcher and finished 7-6, while Dooley took his empty pitcher and finished 6-7.

Nice recap

 

[PowerWookie]

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[State of the Vols]

Are you kidding me? Kiffin also had 2 1st round draft picks including the best defensive back in the nation on his squad. Also, fulmer's squads always had talent, he just didn't do a good job of getting that talent to work on the field.

It amazes me people lose track of these facts after only a few years.

Are you suggesting that Dooley has "done a good job" of getting the talent "to work on the field"? lol:

 

[Smokeytom]

EVERYBODY knows by now that 2012 is the year to judge Dooley's coaching abilities. He will have a very very solid roster with some young depth, but depth will be there. I think Dooley will be at UT for a long time. I still believe in him, and I think we win the east next year, and then who knows what happens in the SEC championship. I will forever support WHOEVER the coach is of the Vols. Because that's what fans do. I was pumped when Kiffin came, I was skeptical about Dooley because I had no idea who he was, but he is the face I want to represent UT. He does things the right way. And i think next year we see it on the field.

GO VOLS!

 

[kwebbvols2344]

Boom!!

 

[Phat-Phil]

So much failure in this post. First off, last year really was dooley's first recruiting class. Yes, he was gift wrapped a top ten class, but this does not change the fact that he held the class together, he did not recruit it. Also, this top ten that you claim he was gift wrapped were players that were evaluated by kiffen,which poses two problems. First of all we saw kiffens ability to evaluate talent in that 2009 class, which was ranked by rivals as the biggest bust. While I will give him credit that the second class was better, I still doubt it will ever be looked at as a top ten class in retrospect. To this point the only true SEC caliber players from that class appears to be Bray, Rogers, Hunter, and Rivera. Now hopefully some other players from that class will develop to this caliber, but right now those are the only players that would garner any attention on a top SEC team. The second problem with this players being recruited by kiffen is that they were evaluated and recruited to fit Kiffen's system, not dooley's system.

To your second point, if you knew anything about recruiting you would know that Dooley really could not shop for his own groceries as you put it. Recruiting is about developing relationships players and their families. This is impossible to do with only two weeks until national signing day. So the only shopping he could really do is with players that kiffen had already been recruiting, and players that did not really have any offers anywhere.

To your third point, lets look at there first years in knoxville:

2009

QB: Jonathan Crompton (fifth round draft pick and current member of the washington redskins)
RB: Montario Hardesty (2nd round draft pick)
WR's: Included one player that has made quite the name for himself with the raiders this year, and another one that played in the preseason.
TE's: A fourth round draft pick that has seen playing time with the buccaneers.
Offensive line: While Jaques Mclendon and Chris Scott were the only ones of this group that had pro potential, it was a veteran group. The importance of this cannot be understated, just ask Lou Holtz. He was quoted as saying during his coaching days that you can get away with recruiting average offensive lineman as long as they stick around for five years.
Defensive Line: This unit consists of a first round draft pick, Ben Martin prior to injury, as well as Brown and walker who were two serviceable sec upper class linemen.
Secondary: A top ten NFL draft pick at safety Pwag, Brent Vinson, and Rogan

Derek Dooley 2010

QB: Matt Simms and Tyler Bray: While both crompton and Simms had there struggles at tennessee, simms will never come close to seeing an NFL roster. Bray did step in later in the season and outperform clausen. However, all but one of Dooley's loses were with Simms as QB
RB: Tauren Poole: A serviceable back at best that if drafted at all it will be at the tail end of the draft.
TE: Same as Kiffen
OL: Very young offensive line consisting of three freshmen and two sophomores.
Wr's: Same as Kiffin
Dline: Malik Jackson was added to this unit, and really stepped it up and played well towards the end of the season. However, overall the Dline took a step back in talent losing an NFL first rounder and Ben Martin for the season.
Secondary: Loss of Eric Berry hurt this unit. However, it did see Janzen Jackson step up and Brewer be a solid contributor. Though this was cancelled out by the fact that any option at corner back was a step down from rogan and vinson the year before.

Conclusion: The only area where it can even be argued that Dooley had more talent then kiffin is at the QB position. So to keep with your analogy, Kiffen was handed a jar already half full of orange juice, while Dooley was handed and empty one. Kiffin took his half filled pitcher and finished 7-6, while Dooley took his empty pitcher and finished 6-7.

Ouch, virtual beach-slap

 

[sjt18]

RE: vol2013's post.

Good post. I wouldn't really blame Kiffin completely for the 09 class. Most of that was Fulmer.

However, being recruited for a different system wasn't the only problem with many of Kiffin's recruits. Kiffin appealed to two things: Him and his staff and the kids' egos. He didn't believe in or sell UT. He actually behaved as if UT and its traditions were a liability to what he was doing. When Kiffin and his promise of being coached into the NFL left... so did the hearts if not bodies of many of his recruits.

Dooley will leave a better situation in this regard. He believes in UT and sells it. Both men are great recruiting "salesmen".... they just sold different things as UT HC.

 

[sjt18]

Oh.... also. While Kiffin is an absolute jerk who IMO was always destined to leave UT with NCAA problems and a roster of "me" players that would quickly disintegrate... I have absolutely no question that he is a VERY good game day coach.

I like Dooley much better but am yet to be convinced that he can get it done on gameday.

 

[skeeter33418]

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

If Kiff stayed we dont get Hunter, Rogers, Neal, Rivera, Stone or Tiny. j Smith was coming here regardless who the coach was. Dooley and the rest of the coaches done a very good job in 2010.

 

[volroadwarrior]

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

:lolabove::crazy:

 

[mooreaj21]

Here is some pics of Jacobs.

 

[VolFromNashville]

Here is some pics of Jacobs.

Thank you for redirecting this thread back to Otis Jacobs

 

[ob79]

Negative...you buy into Dooley's rhetoric (the Dool-Aid) a bit too much. This year being his first year and last year was minus 1? That's been his MO to condition the fanbase into lower expectations. The fact is, he was gift-wrapped a top 10 recruting class even with Kiffin's departure. We had a ton of momentum and it was looking to shape up to be a top 5 class.

So, don't try and sell us that garbage. Sure there were a few casualties from the turnover, but the bulk of it remained and Dooley still had time to shop for a lot of his own groceries.

Kiffin was given a team that had 2 rotten classes out of the past 3 (under Fulmer), and he made a lot more lemonade (out of the lemons he was given) than Dooley has thus far.

Holy crap...talk about revisionist history.

Tell me Einstein, was it the burning mattresses that gave us all that momentum?? Or maybe the angry mob outside Stokely that was chanting "TOP FIVE CLASS." And was it Dooley who told Brandon Willis to turn the car around while he and his dad were on their way to Knoxville??? And Stone, Tiny, and Hunter--they were all VOL locks that needed absolutely ZERO recruiting from DD & co. when he was brought on.....

Dooley had very little time to reel in a decent class and I'd say he hit a few homeruns. Sure, the previous staff had done some work previous to, but there were SEVERAL players who were either on the fence or straight up not interested (Stone) in signing with UT before Dooley got here.