10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

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Three minutes after former assistant coach B emailed that student-athlete 7 was "halfway done with psychology working on his English," the former head coach responded "Cool don't say anymore bout that on here!!"

~ Donnie Tyndall to former assistant regarding student athlete 7.
 
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Graduate assistant A admitted completing student-athlete 8's coursework, and student-athlete 8 stated that he did not register for, pay for or complete any of his online coursework. Computer metadata confirmed that graduate assistant A authored a total of 75 assignments in student-athlete 8's English courses and submitted the assignments from Hattiesburg and elsewhere at times when student-athlete 8 was not in those locations.
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Who on the basketball staff had $2000.00 to pay for this kids classes he didn't take? Certainly the grad assistants don't have money to burn. Who would be the most likely candidate?
 
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On the DOBO document regarding former HS coaches paying for their players:
14 When interviewed, the compliance director stated he did not recall the conversation. He said that, while he possibly could have had a conversation on the subject with the former head coach, he would not have said the arrangement was allowable unless a prospect's parents were not involved, the prospect was living with the coach and the coach was the only one taking care of the prospect. The compliance director indicated that he would not have just said 'yes' to the situation when the former head coach presented it to him.
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The DOBO stated that he could not recall exactly when he transcribed the 2012 notes, although his pattern was to reduce notes to document form "reasonably close to the conversation." He recalled the former head coach asking him in the fall of 2014 to "get everything together" because of the NCAA investigation and that he might have "updated" the document at that time. However, computer metadata established that the DOBO created the document on October 31, 2014, the day after the enforcement staff interviewed student-athletes 3 and 4 and within eight days or less of interviewing their pre-collegiate coaches. The DOBO had no reason to construct notes from a conversation that allegedly occurred over two years earlier without instructions from the former head coach. The panel finds that the former head coach was attempting to create an impression that he had received approval from the compliance director to facilitate the payments of funds to the student-athletes by their pre-collegiate coaches.
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It's interesting that you folks are citing the bogus report the NCAA put out to support the bogus testimony of Adam Howard who they gave immunity to. I'm citing the other 40 witnesses and documentation in the appeal brief that said he had nothing to do with the academic fraud. It is point by point in that brief. It so point by point that the NCAA needed 2 extra weeks to respond with another bunch garbage to which the Tyndall team filed another 20 page response. I can say I have analyzed both which should prove once and for all I am not Buzz. He had none of this information to give you just like you have none of it. I don't blow smoke, I fire the heavy artillery which is exactly what the Tyndall team is going to do to the NCAA. It's amazing that they can get away with a blatant attack on an innocent man to cover their total ineptitude. This is the God's honest truth. When all of the evidence was presented at the hearing, Donnie
Tyndall thought he would get an 8 or 9 game coach control suspension because he had proven he was innocent. He had no idea the NCAA was going to cover up a college coach getting fired because they gave the AD phony info. This necessitated bribing the coach so they would not look like fools. That is all this is about. They caused a coach to be fired based on their own faulty investigation. That's the whole story.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
It's interesting that you folks are citing the bogus report the NCAA put out to support the bogus testimony of Adam Howard who they gave immunity to. I'm citing the other 40 witnesses and documentation in the appeal brief that said he had nothing to do with the academic fraud. It is point by point in that brief. It so point by point that the NCAA needed 2 extra weeks to respond with another bunch garbage to which the Tyndall team filed another 20 page response. I can say I have analyzed both which should prove once and for all I am not Buzz. He had none of this information to give you just like you have none of it. I don't blow smoke, I fire the heavy artillery which is exactly what the Tyndall team is going to do to the NCAA. It's amazing that they can get away with a blatant attack on an innocent man to cover their total ineptitude. This is the God's honest truth. When all of the evidence was presented at the hearing, Donnie
Tyndall thought he would get an 8 or 9 game coach control suspension because he had proven he was innocent. He had no idea the NCAA was going to cover up a college coach getting fired because they gave the AD phony info. This necessitated bribing the coach so they would not look like fools. That is all this is about. They caused a coach to be fired based on their own faulty investigation. That's the whole story.
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I didn't realize Howard was a juco coach along with being in Tyndall's staff. That must be what you think is going on with that quote by the coach saying the player was the farthest from graduating of anyone.

And leave it to you to ignore the fact that no one on staff but Tyndall logically had the funds to pay for that player's tuition that the player, not Howard, claimed to have not paid.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
It's interesting that you folks are citing the bogus report the NCAA put out to support the bogus testimony of Adam Howard who they gave immunity to. I'm citing the other 40 witnesses and documentation in the appeal brief that said he had nothing to do with the academic fraud. It is point by point in that brief. It so point by point that the NCAA needed 2 extra weeks to respond with another bunch garbage to which the Tyndall team filed another 20 page response. I can say I have analyzed both which should prove once and for all I am not Buzz. He had none of this information to give you just like you have none of it. I don't blow smoke, I fire the heavy artillery which is exactly what the Tyndall team is going to do to the NCAA. It's amazing that they can get away with a blatant attack on an innocent man to cover their total ineptitude. This is the God's honest truth. When all of the evidence was presented at the hearing, Donnie
Tyndall thought he would get an 8 or 9 game coach control suspension because he had proven he was innocent. He had no idea the NCAA was going to cover up a college coach getting fired because they gave the AD phony info. This necessitated bribing the coach so they would not look like fools. That is all this is about. They caused a coach to be fired based on their own faulty investigation. That's the whole story.
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Everything I posted above doesn't pertain to Howard. I find it somewhat amusing that you keep talking about a lie detector test that is not admissible in a court of law and disregard meta data and handwriting samples as faulty investigative techniques.

Here's the God's honest truth (sorry if that offends anyone)...The NCAA is not going to change it's ruling in the appeals process and Mr. Jackson knows it. Thus all this business about federal court etc...they hope this applies some pressure...I think it's interesting Mr. Jackson brings up Tark The Shark, somewhere between 11 and 13 years it took for he and the NCAA to do their battle.

Anyway, what I don't really get is your defense of him over the University of Tennessee. The guy was here for less than a year, how long have you been a fan of Tennessee sports? I find it offensive that Tyndall would lie to his bosses and then turn around and say if they would have stuck by me I would have got 9 games. That's nuts...like some kind of mental disorder nuts.

To each his own.
 
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vol66 said:
Everything I posted above doesn't pertain to Howard. I find it somewhat amusing that you keep talking about a lie detector test that is not admissible in a court of law and disregard meta data and handwriting samples as faulty investigative techniques.

Here's the God's honest truth (sorry if that offends anyone)...The NCAA is not going to change it's ruling in the appeals process and Mr. Jackson knows it. Thus all this business about federal court etc...they hope this applies some pressure...I think it's interesting Mr. Jackson brings up Tark The Shark, somewhere between 11 and 13 years it took for he and the NCAA to do their battle.

Anyway, what I don't really get is your defense of him over the University of Tennessee. The guy was here for less than a year, how long have you been a fan of Tennessee sports? I find it offensive that Tyndall would lie to his bosses and then turn around and say if they would have stuck by me I would have got 9 games. That's nuts...like some kind of mental disorder nuts.

To each his own.
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For real dude. He had NCAA issues at his previous two stops. If he had stayed here for any longer, we probably would have been on probation after a couple years. The obsession and infatuation makes no sense.
 
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During his first interview, November 18, 2014, the enforcement staff asked him about his institutional phone, personal phone, any phones he may have used while employed at USM and whether he possessed a "burner" phone. Despite this thorough inquiry, the former head coach did not mention the phone he possessed in his mother's name that he had been using extensively in recent weeks. In his second interview, held March 16, 2015, the enforcement staff again asked him about his phones. Again, the former head coach did not mention the use of the phone in his mother's name.
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It was only in his third interview, held May 12, 2015, when the enforcement staff asked him specifically about his area code 859 phone, that the former head coach acknowledged having such a phone in the name of his mother. He admitted that he used the phone to reach out to other individuals, mostly about "rumors." However, he claimed that he had reached out before he knew there was going to be an investigation, and then only to find out what others had heard. He mentioned student-athlete 6's coach, student-athlete 3's high school coach, student-athlete 4's prep school coach and former assistant coach B as individuals he tried to reach, but stated that many of the calls were actually made by members of his coaching staff.15 He said that he gave them the area code 859 phone, told them to try to reach the individuals, and bring the phone back to him if they managed to make contact.
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So, he lies about the phone in his first two interviews and then after admitting it he says, well actually I gave it to my assistants and had them make the calls.

This is unfortunate for Tyndall because the reason the NCAA knew about the phone, between interview 2 and 3 actually gives Howard credibility, there's no other way to spin it...

Between the former head coach's second and third interviews, former assistant coach A informed the enforcement staff that, during the investigation, the former head coach was calling student- athlete 3's high school coach, former assistant coach B and student-athlete 4's prep school coach on a phone he maintained in his mother's name with an 859 area code. The purpose of the calls was to get updates and information about the interviews of the student-athletes at USM and others. Former assistant coach A recalled overhearing phone conversations in which the former head coach told student-athlete 3's high school coach and student-athlete 4's prep school coach what to tell the enforcement staff about their relationships with student-athletes 3 and 4.
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I find this really interesting. On one hand you're saying Howard lies about everything while ignoring that the coach was giving the staff the phone and instructing them to report back if they made contact...all so he can say he didn't know what was going on in this instance. That dog won't hunt.

Ya'll have a good evening and GBO!!!
 
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And you can read this, during the initial months of the staff’s tenure at USM, Wade O’Connor, Adam Howard, and others devised a plan to assist prospective student-athletes who needed academic support. Each coach handled the academic affairs of the individual prospective student-athletes they recruited. Dowling brought in the two GA's who worked with him at Slippery Rock as part of the fraud team. Dowling testified that Donnie Tyndall possessed no knowledge of the assistant coaches’ plans to improperly assist prospective student-athletes.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
And you can read this, during the initial months of the staff’s tenure at USM, Wade O’Connor, Adam Howard, Jareem Dowling, Mike Gibbons, and RJ Rush devised a plan to assist prospective student-athletes who needed academic support. Each coach handled the academic affairs of the individual prospective student-athletes they recruited. Dowling brought in the two GA's who worked with him at Slippery Rock as part of the fraud team. Dowling testified that Donnie Tyndall possessed no knowledge of the assistant coaches’ plans to improperly assist prospective student-athletes.
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You have any articles or real quotes that others can look up or are you just making this crap up again? Vol66 has used the only substantial article/document and you keep ignoring it. There's plenty of admittance in there that doesn't involve Howard. For months you claimed it was all Howard, but now you claim it was every assistant with him? Which is it?
 
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Hey, Buddy, I know it is hard for you but can you put two and two together and get four?
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So, no. You don't have any proof except a Twitter handle of a defense attorney (a guy paid a lot of money to simply try to get people off crimes) and the guy with a 10-year show-cause. Alright then.
 
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NCAA could come out smellin like a rose if they do the right thing and ban NC from college sports for the next 20 years.
Isn't it the unfair one guy gets 10 games and another gets 10 years practice Tyndall and company are fighting?

All of a sudden we're back to fighting the individual charges? Or is that just on VN?
 
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So, no. You don't have any proof except a Twitter handle of a defense attorney (a guy paid a lot of money to simply try to get people off crimes) and the guy with a 10-year show-cause. Alright then.
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I'm gonna try one more time. I think everyone understands except you. I guess this earlier statement I made slipped right over your head. "I can say I have analyzed both which should prove once and for all I am not Buzz."
 
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I'm gonna try one more time. I think everyone understands except you. I guess this earlier statement I made slipped right over your head. "I can say I have analyzed both which should prove once and for all I am not Buzz."
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And you're too dumb to understand what/who that post you quoted was referring to. I'll give you a hint: it had nothing to do with Buzz, or the idea that you are him. I'll give you some time to try to use your "analyzing skills" to try to figure it out.
 
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And you're too dumb to understand what/who that post you quoted was referring to. I'll give you a hint: it had nothing to do with Buzz, or the idea that you are him. I'll give you some time to try to use your "analyzing skills" to try to figure it out.
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To to be clear though, he hasn't proven he's not Buzz. Of course he thought posting a Twitter handle proved that, so yeah...
 
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SeniorDrill said:
113 pages of documented legal rebuttal of the NCAA's fabricated report:
Don Jackson tweet on June 29. Easy to confirm. You are the one with nothing, my friend! The media stays out of this because their jaws dropped when the read it.
"Media Note: Donnie Tyndall's appeal brief will be released to the media at 4:00 PM EDT on 06-30-16." :thumbsup:
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I'll give you another hint: I was referring to you using a tweet by the defense attorney (the guy getting paid a lot of money by Tyndall to tell him what he wants to hear) as your "rock-solid" proof. You have not produced the brief, nothing. You understand what I was saying, now?
 
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SeniorDrill said:
And you can read this, during the initial months of the staff’s tenure at USM, Wade O’Connor, Adam Howard, Jareem Dowling, Mike Gibbons, and RJ Rush devised a plan to assist prospective student-athletes who needed academic support.

Each coach handled the academic affairs of the individual prospective student-athletes they recruited. Dowling brought in the two GA's who worked with him at Slippery Rock as part of the fraud team.

Dowling testified that Donnie Tyndall possessed no knowledge of the assistant coaches’ plans to improperly assist prospective student-athletes.
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1. So, you believe five coaches did this on their own without the head coaches knowledge or you believe it is reasonable that Tyndall SHOULD NOT KNOW WHAT HIS ASSISTANTS WERE DOING ON HIS BEHALF?

2. They were all in it together. At every turn, the grad assistants were "helping" multiple players. They even had "acquaintances in Jamaica" and "mother in Pennsylvania (grad. asst. B)" "helping" out.

3. What is Dowling supposed to say? It's the code in college basketball right? He knows if he rats his coach out he can no longer work in the industry. Let's put him under oath and see what he has to say. 100% all for it. As well as the compliance office. The 9 players and all the assistants. That's what we all really want, right? All of them deposed, under oath, with the penalty of perjury.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
And you can read this, during the initial months of the staff’s tenure at USM, Wade O’Connor, Adam Howard, Jareem Dowling, Mike Gibbons, and RJ Rush devised a plan to assist prospective student-athletes who needed academic support. Each coach handled the academic affairs of the individual prospective student-athletes they recruited. Dowling brought in the two GA's who worked with him at Slippery Rock as part of the fraud team. Dowling testified that Donnie Tyndall possessed no knowledge of the assistant coaches’ plans to improperly assist prospective student-athletes.
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Actually it reads like this:

Within six weeks of beginning his employment at USM, the former head coach and members of his staff formulated and implemented a plan to assist prospective student-athletes who needed additional academic support.
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vol66 said:
1. So, you believe five coaches did this on their own without the head coaches knowledge or you believe
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The former USM staffers engaged in a commercial venture whereby they completed online coursework for student-athletes at multiple schools, an Academic Fraud, Inc. type of venture. The entire Men’s Basketball coaching staff at Northern Colorado was terminated in the Spring of 2016. The NCAA withheld this information from Tyndall during his hearing because it was exculpatory. If that doesn't tell you he was the scapegoat, what does? PS Chris Shumate, his assistant now at WKU, also testified that he knew nothing about the venture carried out by his peers.
 
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The former USM staffers engaged in a commercial venture whereby they completed online coursework for student-athletes at multiple schools, an Academic Fraud, Inc. type of venture. The entire Men’s Basketball coaching staff at Northern Colorado was terminated in the Spring of 2016. The NCAA withheld this information from Tyndall during his hearing because it was exculpatory. If that doesn't tell you he was the scapegoat, what does? PS Chris Shumate, his assistant now at WKU, also testified that he knew nothing about the venture carried out by his peers.
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you left out: you believe it is reasonable that Tyndall SHOULD NOT KNOW WHAT HIS ASSISTANTS WERE DOING ON HIS BEHALF?

It might be possible that Shumate, the last guy to be hired by Tyndall at USM did not know about it, that he's considered to be above that kind of thing or that he knew all about it but did not participate or that he's just doing what they all do and doesn't say anything at all if possible.

For the record, I agree with you that Howard was doing the heavy lifting, but that's where you and I part ways. No way he does all of this without the HC...he couldn't have afforded it, the money has to come from somewhere.
 
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